Hackers Claim to Have Obtained Romney's Tax Returns

Originally posted by nightstalker78


I'm pretty sure you can't run for office if you're a felon,so try again

THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. If there are accusations of tax fraud and evasion why would you not investigate if the sob might be your next President? The guy might be a felon, he might not, by not releasing his records he adds to the suspicion of the prior.

reply to post by jimmyfromreality


Proven forgeries? by whom? someone with basic if not lacking photoshop experience?
They look legit to me, and unless someone who knows a handwriting analyst or is one themselves who can prove they are forged, id love to see the proof.

And how come no one and stood up and said, I CAN PROVE IT! ? because they cant.

Originally posted by Shadowcast

Originally posted by nightstalker78


I'm pretty sure you can't run for office if you're a felon,so try again

THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. If there are accusations of tax fraud and evasion why would you not investigate if the sob might be your next President? The guy might be a felon, he might not, by not releasing his records he adds to the suspicion of the prior.

I got your point...if what you just said was true it WILL COME OUT. Or it would have come out by now!

Some of you people just keep digging and digging for stuff even when there's nothing there. But that's not enough for people like you...you'll just claim cover up.OMG EVERYTHING IS A CONSPIRACY!!

ETA: Just an FYI I've already made arrangements for my daughter and I to leave the country should Obama be re-elected. Personally I don't like either candidate..but there is a lesser of two evils here...

Originally posted by nightstalker78

Originally posted by Shadowcast

Originally posted by nightstalker78


I'm pretty sure you can't run for office if you're a felon,so try again

THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT. If there are accusations of tax fraud and evasion why would you not investigate if the sob might be your next President? The guy might be a felon, he might not, by not releasing his records he adds to the suspicion of the prior.

I got your point...if what you just said was true it WILL COME OUT. Or it would have come out by now!

Some of you people just keep digging and digging for stuff even when there's nothing there. But that's not enough for people like you...you'll just claim cover up.OMG EVERYTHING IS A CONSPIRACY!!

edit on 6-9-2012 by nightstalker78 because: (no reason given)

Did you forget you are on a conspiracy website?

reply to post by Grimpachi


No,but thanks for reminding me

reply to post by nightstalker78


No worries I have to be reminded sometimes.

I learned real quick to not make statements like that.

reply to post by gostr

What persuaded me were the typed letters. I'm an old guy, and when I was younger I worked in a print shop. Fonts and pitch were an essential component of daily life. Typewriters in the 60s were monospace machines, meaning that, whatever letter or character you typed you'd get the same number of characters per inch, usually 8 or 10.

Take the lines of type on the latest Birth Certificate. Cut up a copy of one if you'd like. Then put the lines under each other, you'll see that the characters don't always line up. That copy was not made by one of the typewriters of the day. (Although it may have been done on different machines, but then there would have to have been three machines used on that one birth certificate.)

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Guess we know whos going to leak it.......

reply to post by sonnny1


Gave you a star for that.

If it is for real I think it will get leaked either which way and the one mil is just a way to make it look like it isn’t politically motivated.


I wish I had thought about doing it I sure would be asking for a lot more.

reply to post by Grimpachi


I just want to see Dr. Evil, hole up in some Embassy in London, fighting extradition, with his million dollars, pinky extended!

Originally posted by hotpinkurinalmint
reply to post by IsThisThingBugged

 

The statement that 50% of people do not contribute to our federal tax system is not entirely accurate.

Most individuals, directly or indirectly, pay two types of taxes to the federal government: payroll taxes and income taxes. The bottom 50% or so of workers do not pay income taxes. However, they pay about 15% of their income, directly and indirectly, in payroll taxes.

Wealthy people, particular those that get paid in stock options or have hedge funds, pay little or no payroll taxes. They pay the 15% capital gains rate (and some even less because they shelter their income). They make little or no ordinary income so they pay nowhere near the 30+% Republicans always seem to be complaining about.

In short, anybody who is wealthy that is complaining about high taxes needs to fire their accountant and sue them for negligence. I have clients that are in the top 1% and they pay almost nothing in taxes. One fellow I know owned a couple of multi-million dollar beach houses. He literally withholds only $500 from his "wages" every year and gets a $2000 refund check. (Although his position is certainly aggressive, it is arguably legal and he can and will get away with it.)

My hunch is Romney may not want his tax records revealed because it will not show that he is paying near 15% as capital gains, but because it may show he is paying near zero and even getting money back.

That is the vibe that I've been picking up on also. His consultancy fees (which are an earned income) might be disclosed on the tax forms as a carried interest. What should be taxed at 35% is taxed at 15%. Possible that the money in the IRA is also being treated in this manner. Hopefully we can find out before November. Bain is now being investigated, now waiting for the other shoe to fall.

I havent worked in the last 3 years so I havent payed any taxes. If I did I really would be way more worried about what Obama has been doing with your great grand children's money than how much Romney was giving to the church.

Every body knows Oprah Windbag and Billy bob Gates only give 10% cause thats all they get credit for write off. Romney isnt more special than the rest, he gave no more than 10%.

Problems we have are way deeper than Democrat and Republican.

Not a one of us knows how to fix it
Not a one of us wants to take a blame on what lies on the back of all of us.
Not one of us will do what it takes, and that is to fire every one of the sons-a-britches and do it our selves.

Fire every one of their asses, pull the plug on D.C.
put toll booths on the interstates and look no farther than our own communities for government which would happen to be US.

Church and State......somebody forgot to write about Business and State

but oh "no"...."don't make waves"

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
The way I see it ...

Republican "birthers" carry on and on about how, "If Obama has nothing to hide, show us the real, legit birth certificate".

The same can be said for Romney. If he's not hiding anything, or has any reason to fear his past returns -- cough them up!

The returns that people want to see are the ones before 2010, and we have no idea how much he paid in taxes back then. Meethinks he wrote off quite a bit of his "tithing".

There's a reason some have said this: "Mitt Romney and the Mormon church? Mitt Romney IS the Mormon church!"

people like you are the problem your easily distracted.Really who cares what Romney pays in taxes or if Obama faked his birth certificate. The real issue is 8.3 % unemployment and almost 16 trillion in debt if interest rates rise even slightly the government will have no choice but to default on the debt or simply stop paying on liabilities and your worried about a man who paid more in taxes in one year then youll pay in your lifetime. This is why our country is doomed people more interested in reality television then pay attention whats really going on.

Originally posted by rebellender

Not one of us will do what it takes, and that is to fire every one of the sons-a-britches and do it our selves.

Fire every one of their asses, pull the plug on D.C.
put toll booths on the interstates and look no farther than our own communities for government which would happen to be US.

Well said, and I agree 100%

reply to post by nightstalker78


www.factcheck.org...

Q: Can a convicted felon serve in elected office? A: The Constitution allows a convicted felon, such as Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens, to be a member of Congress, even if in prison. It’s up to the Senate or House to decide who may serve. As for state offices, different laws apply in different places. FULL ANSWER Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens was convicted on seven felony counts of corruption in late October. Stevens ran for reelection Nov. 4 against Democrat Mark Begich, and the two are awaiting the official results, as votes are still being counted. Begich’s lead increased to about 1,000 votes on Nov. 15, however. It is possible for a felon to serve in the U.S. Congress – but the House and Senate can vote to expel any member that colleagues deem unfit or unqualified to serve. And even if Stevens does end up winning the election in Alaska, he faces a probable expulsion vote in the Senate. He says he’ll appeal his conviction, and he has yet to be sentenced. Update: Begich was declared the winner of the election on Nov. 18. Federal office qualifications are governed by the Constitution, while state-level office rules vary according to state laws.

felons can hold office and be elected they jst cant vote in some states but they can run its why every year a few people doing life run for president to not much success but it does seem that the senate and the house have ways to get rid of the ones they dont like,and didnt ted kennedy kill some lady in chapaquidic or something like that and he stuck around tell he almost died in office

Prison is not a bar to running for federal office, either. In 1798, Rep. Matthew Lyon ran for Congress from prison and won. He assumed his seat in Congress after serving four months in prison for "libeling" President John Adams. An effort was made to expel Lyon from the House, but it failed. Ultimately, it is up to the House or Senate chamber to determine whether or not an elected official is qualified to serve if a challenge is raised.

lol and this guy even got elected and they couldnt even get rid of him and he campained from prison

reply to post by KilrathiLG


So even if Romney did evade paying taxes and took advantage of the tax amnesty it does not bar him from being elected?

If this is true then I can understand why he would not want his taxes becoming public.

I like many others are interested in the tax issue because it speaks to his character more than anything else. I am already upset that he has not released all of his tax records for the two years that has been claimed. I believe it is his Swiss accounts tax records that have not been made public.

He is applying for the most powerful job in U.S. politics and it seems he does not want to show his credentials.
I will not be voting for him either way, the way his campaign has been run and the dirty deeds that have been pulled against Ron Paul have completely turned me away from the RNC.

Originally posted by IsThisThingBugged
reply to post by MystikMushroom

 

This tax return stuff really pisses me off. Romney made $20,000,000. And paid 14% or so tax. That's over $2,500,000 in taxes. Half of Americans pay ZERO in taxes but get to use the same roads, same schools, etc.

When everybody pays their share then let's condemn the rich. Otherwise it's just nonsense.

Stealing tax records? Is that illegal ?

Will Americans reward this kind of behavior?

Will this be seen as just another - desperate - act by the liberals?

Originally posted by WeRpeons
reply to post by IsThisThingBugged

 

Two wrongs don't make a right. Why should the rest of us have to pay 20 to 35% of federal taxes while the rich pay less? Doesn't sound fair to me and the majority of the middle class who's city, state and federal taxes keep on increasing.

Who pays 35% income taxes? Please find one person. You can straight off eliminate 50% of the population as they pay zero income tax. I am middle class family of four under $100k and last year I think my rate was around 12%.

Also I'm pretty sure I read from Romney's 2010 return he release he gave over 4 million to charity that year alone which was 15% of his income. Obama gave 1%. Once again proving Dems want to give away other people's money and keep their own.

www.thegatewaypundit.com...

Originally posted by nightstalker78
reply to post by Shadowcast

 

So? Again,what gives you the right to see someone elses tax return? Absolutely nothing. And spare me your bull# arguement about him running for president..you have no right to any of his personal info UNTIL he's in office.Then you're free to ask once he's been elected.

Interesting theory. Find out if the guy was lying AFTER he's elected. Nice to see you using your full 10% there.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by IsThisThingBugged
reply to post by MystikMushroom

 

This tax return stuff really pisses me off. Romney made $20,000,000. And paid 14% or so tax. That's over $2,500,000 in taxes. Half of Americans pay ZERO in taxes but get to use the same roads, same schools, etc.

When everybody pays their share then let's condemn the rich. Otherwise it's just nonsense.

Stealing tax records? Is that illegal ?

Will Americans reward this kind of behavior?

Will this be seen as just another - desperate - act by the liberals?

yes...because Reps have NEVER done anything wrong or illegal. They have never lied. Never hidden money and never broken into anywhere...

What these guys did is wrong. I'm not condoning it and i think you would be hard pressed to find any liberals or dems that do, but its done, and at least we can scrutinise the info they got. If they actually got anything. SHould they be arrested and tried for doing it? Yep. Am i pleased they did it? Yep. Would i do it? Nope.