Hackers Claim to Have Obtained Romney's Tax Returns

Originally posted by WeRpeons
reply to post by IsThisThingBugged

 

Two wrongs don't make a right. Why should the rest of us have to pay 20 to 35% of federal taxes while the rich pay less? Doesn't sound fair to me and the majority of the middle class who's city, state and federal taxes keep on increasing.

Agreed. But in an equable society everybody contributes. Thats why we need a flat tax for all.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
I find it odd that the general accepted number is 2 for the years before election, They then show every return while in office. Obama released everything he had for the decade, and good for him. Releasing at the stage he did, he was unique as I can find. Clinton released a bunch, but much of his releasing didn't come until around 1996 and the re-election according to records.

Leaving that entirely aside for a moment though....This is the 3rd time I have heard Anonymous claim to have done this. Of course, Anonymous is everyone and no one. So this could be a world class hacker or a 13yr old wanna be on Mommy and Daddy's computer. The downsides of Anonymous.

Either way though, if they or ANYONE gets access sufficient to get Romney's tax returns and ONLY gets Romney's tax return...I'll call them the worst kind of political hack and troll I've ever heard of. Ever. Bar none.

To waste a once in a lifetime (They'd NEVER allow it a second time) shot at the gold that IRS records would represent on a political stunt would be totally unforgivable. The Cables Scandal would pale next to someone, some day, getting a true dump of IRS records.

That wouldn't be a leak.......Noah built himself a little boat the last time something flowed with that much importance.

I think one point is that when the government gave amnesty a few years back for people who had hide money abroad paid a special rate to re-patriot their untaxed hidden money... I Romney hide taxable income overseas (a felony) and they paid a special tax using a particular IRS form ... we should know if he lied about his taxes and then was given amnesty to bring his money home....

Originally posted by cetaphobic
reply to post by MystikMushroom

 

The difference between the birthers and those calling for Romney's tax records is that it is absolutely illegal for someone not born in America to become president. Having legal and legitimate tax write offs is not illegal.

But lying on tax returns is also illegal. The reason why some people want to see his records is to find out when he really left Bain. If his records show he left later than he claims then it's a felony. If they really wanted Romney out of they way they could charge him for all the campaign contributions he accepted while he was in Israel because that is also illegal.

Originally posted by IsThisThingBugged

Originally posted by WeRpeons
reply to post by IsThisThingBugged

 

Two wrongs don't make a right. Why should the rest of us have to pay 20 to 35% of federal taxes while the rich pay less? Doesn't sound fair to me and the majority of the middle class who's city, state and federal taxes keep on increasing.

Agreed. But in an equable society everybody contributes. Thats why we need a flat tax for all.

Agreed we do need a flat tax for everyone. But all of a persons income should be taxed as well.

reply to post by IsThisThingBugged


I like the idea of a flat tax for everyone.

I doubt it'll happen anytime soon. I think it was Forbes a while back that tried toting it, but it never seemed to gather much support.

reply to post by MystikMushroom


A flat tax is regressive. If the government is going to go with a flat tax and tax everybody and raise the revenue it needs, the poor and middle class will pay so much in taxes they will not be able to function. The rich on the other hand will be just fine.

The idea of a progressive tax system is that the people that are most capable of paying the most pay the most. Unfortunately, our tax system is not truly progressive. The very wealthy pay just as much, if not less than the poorest people. The people in the middle end up paying the most.

Originally posted by IsThisThingBugged
reply to post by MystikMushroom

 

This tax return stuff really pisses me off. Romney made $20,000,000. And paid 14% or so tax. That's over $2,500,000 in taxes. Half of Americans pay ZERO in taxes but get to use the same roads, same schools, etc.

When everybody pays their share then let's condemn the rich. Otherwise it's just nonsense.

Thanks for saying what I was thinking !! Though I wouldn't say HALF of all Americans don't pay taxes. Legal,working ADULT Americans do pay taxes. Hell,even teenagers who work pay taxes.Other then that point I 100 % agree with you. Too many people here are quick to condemn the rich.Since when is anyone elses tax return YOUR business,ATS? Politician or not...you have no right to view anyones return. I'm willing to be most of you wouldn't make yours public now would you. No? Yeah I didn't think so.

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
The way I see it ...



The same can be said for Romney. If he's not hiding anything, or has any reason to fear his past returns -- cough them up!

If you don't have anything to hide,I'd like to see your past tax returns. Please PM me for an address to send them to.Thanks.

Disclaimer : I will make them public. Oh? Don't like that huh? But yet it's okay to see someone elses though right?

May I try to clear up a couple of things?

The CBO released data in 2009 (I haven't seen anything newer) that shows, considering all Federal taxes, the following effective tax rates (the percent of income paid in taxes):

The lowest 20% of income earners pay 4.3%.
The next 20% pay 10.1%.
The middle 20% pay 14.2% of their income in Federal taxes.
The next 20% pay17.5%
And the 20% with the highest income pay 25.8% of their income in taxes.

www.cbo.gov...

Concerning donations received while in Israel. That's perfectly acceptable and legal, Obama did it in China. The only trick is that the donations have to come from American citizens, and there is no evidence that either man did anything else.

I hope you'll be able to adjust your thinking, now that you have additional information.

reply to post by fnpmitchreturns

I think one point is that when the government gave amnesty a few years back for people who had hide money abroad paid a special rate to re-patriot their untaxed hidden money... I Romney hide taxable income overseas (a felony) and they paid a special tax using a particular IRS form ... we should know if he lied about his taxes and then was given amnesty to bring his money home....

I'm personally voting for Romney because the other side is worse. Far worse...and I only say that as a fair disclosure for having that rather unpopular position among some circles these days.

Now, having said that, IF Romney has committed a crime....*ANY* crime, then let's have out with it. Put up or shut up and I mean that to the Politicians and Leadership that are absolutely in places to shut this down right here and now....and probably COULD have well before the primaries. *IF* such a truth is out there to discover and the people who COULD discover it in the FBI and DHS don't do their due diligence before an alleged criminal would become President, then we're oddly right back where we were with Obama for a dilemma before Arizona finally got what they have certified as proof positive of 'the document'. lol

If Romney is actually hiding something...then elected and it comes out down the road, will anything he'll have done be legal or valid? It's a different version of the same nightmare..... So no political games or points allowed on this one... IF there is even serious smoke. they need to run it down with all resources....like tomorrow, if not sooner. (if there is anything ILLEGAL to be found at all, of course, this level of national importance could have a question answered absolutely inside a week)

reply to post by IsThisThingBugged


The statement that 50% of people do not contribute to our federal tax system is not entirely accurate.

Most individuals, directly or indirectly, pay two types of taxes to the federal government: payroll taxes and income taxes. The bottom 50% or so of workers do not pay income taxes. However, they pay about 15% of their income, directly and indirectly, in payroll taxes.

Wealthy people, particular those that get paid in stock options or have hedge funds, pay little or no payroll taxes. They pay the 15% capital gains rate (and some even less because they shelter their income). They make little or no ordinary income so they pay nowhere near the 30+% Republicans always seem to be complaining about.

In short, anybody who is wealthy that is complaining about high taxes needs to fire their accountant and sue them for negligence. I have clients that are in the top 1% and they pay almost nothing in taxes. One fellow I know owned a couple of multi-million dollar beach houses. He literally withholds only $500 from his "wages" every year and gets a $2000 refund check. (Although his position is certainly aggressive, it is arguably legal and he can and will get away with it.)

My hunch is Romney may not want his tax records revealed because it will not show that he is paying near 15% as capital gains, but because it may show he is paying near zero and even getting money back.

Originally posted by nightstalker78

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
The way I see it ...



The same can be said for Romney. If he's not hiding anything, or has any reason to fear his past returns -- cough them up!

If you don't have anything to hide,I'd like to see your past tax returns. Please PM me for an address to send them to.Thanks.

Disclaimer : I will make them public. Oh? Don't like that huh? But yet it's okay to see someone elses though right?

He's not running for President now is he?

reply to post by Shadowcast


So? Again,what gives you the right to see someone elses tax return? Absolutely nothing. And spare me your bull# arguement about him running for president..you have no right to any of his personal info UNTIL he's in office.Then you're free to ask once he's been elected.

Originally posted by nightstalker78
reply to post by Shadowcast

 

So? Again,what gives you the right to see someone elses tax return? Absolutely nothing. And spare me your bull# arguement about him running for president..you have no right to any of his personal info UNTIL he's in office.Then you're free to ask once he's been elected.

I'm sorry, if wanting to make sure a Predidential candidate is not a felon BEFORE he gets in office is bull...then you deserve what you get.

reply to post by nightstalker78


That's it people.

I am announcing my run for Presidency of the United States.

I am not going to tell you my real name, or anything about me. You just have to take my word for it that I am a wonderful human being you can trust. I am really smart too and have won a Nobel Prize in Economics, graduated #1 in my class at Harvard, I was the CEO of a couple of successful businesses, and I have done a lot of charitable things.

You may have your doubts about my credentials or character, but you are more than free to scrutinize me AFTER I have been elected to the most important political office in the world. Believe it or not, one of the ways I got successful was by hiring people without scrutinizing their credentials. I never ran credit checks, I never called references, and I never verified employment histories. I just called people at random in the phone book and asked, "Hey wanna job?" If that is good enough for me, it should be good enough for the American people.

reply to post by hotpinkurinalmint


Well at least you'll get Nightstalkers vote

I heard this story on the radio and what is being reported is that they are holding his taxes for ransom.
$1,000,000 or it goes public on Sept 28. I just have to say wow. I hope this is for real it would make a great story. Can you imagine this getting into the history books?
Ransom Tax

Originally posted by Shadowcast

Originally posted by nightstalker78
reply to post by Shadowcast

 

So? Again,what gives you the right to see someone elses tax return? Absolutely nothing. And spare me your bull# arguement about him running for president..you have no right to any of his personal info UNTIL he's in office.Then you're free to ask once he's been elected.

I'm sorry, if wanting to make sure a Predidential candidate is not a felon BEFORE he gets in office is bull...then you deserve what you get.

I'm pretty sure you can't run for office if you're a felon,so try again

I think it's more like you people think you're entitled to know everything about everyone.

And not just those running for office.

I wish they would just black mail Romney into releasing them.


Its an easy argument to say these are fabricated or whatever if they come from a 'hacker'.

I mean, spin spin spin...

Originally posted by hotpinkurinalmint
reply to post by nightstalker78

 

That's it people.

I am announcing my run for Presidency of the United States.

I am not going to tell you my real name, or anything about me. You just have to take my word for it that I am a wonderful human being you can trust. I am really smart too and have won a Nobel Prize in Economics, graduated #1 in my class at Harvard, I was the CEO of a couple of successful businesses, and I have done a lot of charitable things.

Do you not see how ridiculous that is? Or how it's not even close to the same thing? Are you implying Romney isn't giving his real name? I know what you're getting at and I've got a tip for you...you suck at sarcasm so lay off it