Democratic National Convention Discussion

Originally posted by LeatherNLace
Funny how the RNC thread (created by a liberal) remained neutral; meanwhile, the DNC thread has become a trollfest.

That's because everyone thinks similarly of the RNC.

But if someone impunes the DNC. . . . . .

reply to post by FlyersFan


Can you point out in that report where it states they lied?

Didn't think so.

There is a big difference between not adding details and outright lies like Ryan.

Originally posted by LeatherNLace
Funny how the RNC thread (created by a liberal) remained neutral; meanwhile, the DNC thread has become a trollfest.

Ya... I have to agree and I noticed it too.

The tactics ave gotten much worse from when I left the GOP and switched to Indy. I'd Godwin the thread if I said what I really felt I see in at least 4 posters here.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by Jeremiah65

 

God is on our (GOP) side.

God picks sides? "God bless America....but not all of America"?

Hurricane Isaac missed Tampa bay, Florida.

and? And you missed making a point.

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The DNC got dumped on with - heavy - rain last night. No stadium rally for them.

That's what you get for purging GOD from the DNC platform.

No, that is the way nature goes. sometimes it rains, sometimes it doesn't. The rain will not stop, nor slow the message given by the DNC.

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Charge the base, ENERGIZE the Independents....it's happening right before your eyes.

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Up with progression, down with regression

Forward is the way this country wishes to move, not "back"

There are ripple effects to your actions.

Yes, there certainly are! Obama/Biden will surf those waves (ripples) all the way to another 4 years!

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Faith, enthusiasm, cheers...FOUR MORE YEARS!!!!

Originally posted by queenofswords
reply to post by queenannie38

 

Obama has always made it more than clear, imo, that he is only concerned with his party's viewpoint and in pushing THAT agenda. He never misses a chance to insult that part of the American population that doesn't agree with his policies. He has never really been serious about meeting in the middle.

I think Obama's problem is that he tried too hard to meet in the middle. Obama wanted socialized healthcare, with the single payer system. The GOP, who is in the pocket of the big insurance company lobbyists, wanted to keep the insurance companies in business. The GOP wanted the insurance mandate. The insurance mandate was a GOP idea, NOT a democrat idea. Obama met in the middle and added the mandate in and kept the insurance companies in business. Then, the GOP pulled a bait and switch on him, by trashing the whole mandate thing, to make Obama look bad. Looks like some of you guys fell for it.

Politics is a nasty business.

reply to post by LeatherNLace


You got it all wrong. Just 2 more months. Then Obama the socialist will pack his bags.

Go back to Chicago.

reply to post by Eurisko2012


No girl, you got it wrong.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Okay...next mischaracterization:

HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES SECRETARY KATHLEEN SEBELIUS: "Instead of sending your checks to your insurance companies, your insurance companies are sending a check to you. ...If you already have health insurance you like, you can keep it."

THE FACTS: Under the new health care law, insurers must issue rebates if they fail to spend at least 80 percent of premiums — Sebelius incorrectly said 50 percent — collected on medical care and quality improvement. But mostly it's the employer, not the worker, who gets the check.

The Obama administration says that about 13 million people will benefit from health insurance rebates averaging $151 per household. But the number of families actually getting a check will be much smaller, experts say.

For one thing, employers can plow all the rebate money — including the worker's share — back into improving the company's health plan. For example, they could reduce the premium for the following year.

Employers typically pay 82 percent of the premium for a worker, and 72 percent for a family plan.

Most workers and their families are covered by job-based health insurance, and the new law does not stop employers from changing their plans from year to year, as they do now.

The full text of this speech is available here along with video coverage.

The above is immediately followed by this paragraph:

I've spent my career fighting the worst practices of insurance companies. I know how tough it is to stand up to powerful forces that prey on consumers. Governor Romney and Paul Ryan know how tough it is, too. That's why they won't do it! They'll let insurance companies continue to cherry-pick who gets coverage and who gets left out, priced out or locked out of the market. President Obama is making sure that everyone—from cancer survivors to children with asthma—can get the care they need.

The only thing that is relevant and can be truthfully reported as inaccurate is that, yes, she said 50% instead of 80%...that might be a lie but since she the rest of what she said IS true, I would put forth the possibility that the teleprompter was a tad bit too far away...who here can say they've never mistaken an 8 and a 5 if it was less than clear? I do it all the time...now that I'm over 40, that is.

So let's say...yes...this was a mischaracterization...I can actually go along with that, no problem. It is...mistake or lie, either one, the truth is that it is 80% not 50% and many might now base their understanding on this erroneous figure.

But the rest of the AP article in this section is somewhat diverting the issue. What Ms. Sebelius was saying had to do with cutting down the administrative costs of insurance companies being handed down to the consumer.
The facts of employer based health care are unchanged and according to this 2010 article some of the problems on that level seem to be what Obamacare was addressing with that new ruling and a few other things such as preventative care being covered and overuse/misuse of benefits just because they are there.

And 'But mostly it's the employer, not the worker, who gets the check.' is probably due to the fact that employers pay a larger portion of the combined cost for employee health plans. What they choose to do with their portion is a matter of company policy decision, just like through whom they contract their employee health plans. But no matter WHO they choose to insure their employees...they must spend 80% of the premium on care...they cannot deny pre-existing conditions...and the quality of health care coverage is the same whether one is employed by the federal government or by the stop & shop on the nearest corner.

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by LeatherNLace
Funny how the RNC thread (created by a liberal) remained neutral; meanwhile, the DNC thread has become a trollfest.

That's because everyone thinks similarly of the RNC.

But if someone impunes the DNC. . . . . .

So we all agree that the RNC is a sham?!?!?! Great! Then that thread should be the trollfest!!!

Regarding this thread: Folks that bring honest, legitimate, honorable, heartfelt speech/discussion to mainstream America should be credited/discredited based upon their words; not the lack of words by the opposition. I have seen none of that here. Mudslinging is the name of the game....conservatives invented it, they perpetuate it and they will lose by it.

Me? I'm an Independent; however, I see the game, it's obvious! I'm not playing this time around. I'm voting my heart. I'm voting for the party of truth!

Obama 2012

Where is the substance to back up the mudslinging?

Originally posted by LeatherNLace
reply to post by Eurisko2012

 

No girl, you got it wrong.

edit on 5-9-2012 by LeatherNLace because: (no reason given)

We will find out in just 2 months.

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I'll call it right now. President Mitt Romney wins 320 Electoral Votes !

Obama was doomed after his very foolish remark.

- If you've got a business, you didn't build that ! -

reply to post by queenannie38


Fact: Kathleen Sebelius handed out ObamaCare waivers to all of her union buddies.

That makes - everyone - puke.

ObamaCare will be repealed.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
I'll call it right now. President Mitt Romney wins 320 Electoral Votes !

Because you have such a solid track record of prophecy? Going by your standards, Obama might as well quit campainging right now; Romney's campaign is dead!!!


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Originally posted by LeatherNLace

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by LeatherNLace
Funny how the RNC thread (created by a liberal) remained neutral; meanwhile, the DNC thread has become a trollfest.

That's because everyone thinks similarly of the RNC.

But if someone impunes the DNC. . . . . .

So we all agree that the RNC is a sham?!?!?! Great! Then that thread should be the trollfest!!!

Regarding this thread: Folks that bring honest, legitimate, honorable, heartfelt speech/discussion to mainstream America should be credited/discredited based upon their words; not the lack of words by the opposition. I have seen none of that here. Mudslinging is the name of the game....conservatives invented it, they perpetuate it and they will lose by it.

Me? I'm an Independent; however, I see the game, it's obvious! I'm not playing this time around. I'm voting my heart. I'm voting for the party of truth!

Obama 2012

Where is the substance to back up the mudslinging?

Puh-leeze!

Listening to FLOTUS lie is not good entertainment. It should have come with a MA rating.

reply to post by beezzer


How did she lie?

Originally posted by queenofswords

Oh, my....please compare the past personal charitable giving (even on a % basis) of say Romney and Biden.

Why would I compare VP to POTUS wannabe? Oh ...that's right...

The problem with this attack is that the contrast is not all that interesting, at least not in the way that Sununu suggested. As a percentage of gross income, Barack and Michelle Obama gave 14% of their income to charity in 2010. That happens to be the same percentage that Mitt and Ann Romney gave to charity in the same year.

Read more: swampland.time.com...

Seeing as Mitt's charitable contributions at best are only equal to the President's...and Mitt only offers his one tax return mocked up for election purposes...I doubt past years were as "charitable"...now I get your odd comparison of Romney to Biden.

Seeing as Mitt's net worth is roughly 245 Million more than Obama...the fact that he gave just barely an equal percentage of his income to charity seems stunning.

So while Obama and Mitt both give 14% to charity...where does that money go?

Well in Mitt's case...pretty much just one place...

And in the last two years, at least, the answer appears to be primarily one organization: The Church of Jesus Christ Of Latter-Day Saints, more commonly known as the Mormon church.

According to tax documents viewed by Business Insider, the vast majority of the money Mitt Romney gave away in 2009 and 2010--80% of it--went to the church.

Read more: www.businessinsider.com...

Obama's Charitable giving?

(1)The Fisher House Foundation snagged the Obama family's largest donation of the year.

The organization provides support for military families by offering free housing to family members so they can stay close to medical facilities while their loved ones are in the hospital.

(2)The Obamas gave their second largest donation to the Clinton Bush Haiti Fund, founded by President Obama's predecessors... which will be doled out to sustainable projects in Haiti that help the country rebuild and find economic opportunity for its residents.

(3)Taking the third spot on the Obama's donation roster, the Boys & Girls Club of America.

The national nonprofit strives to improve the lives of young people with mentors, homework help and other programs aimed at keeping kids in school.

(4)CARE, a leading humanitarian organization founded in 1945, provides support to women and families around the world to help them overcome poverty.

Plus...Ovarian Cancer, MS Society, Homeless Vets, etc.
www.huffingtonpost.com...&title=Fisher_House_Foundation

See ...Mitt TITHES as required by his church...it is money that has brought him several deals...Obama gives...

Originally posted by thepresident
reply to post by beezzer

 

How did she lie?

There's a whole thread on it, puddin'.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Check it out.

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by LeatherNLace

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by LeatherNLace
Funny how the RNC thread (created by a liberal) remained neutral; meanwhile, the DNC thread has become a trollfest.

That's because everyone thinks similarly of the RNC.

But if someone impunes the DNC. . . . . .

So we all agree that the RNC is a sham?!?!?! Great! Then that thread should be the trollfest!!!

Regarding this thread: Folks that bring honest, legitimate, honorable, heartfelt speech/discussion to mainstream America should be credited/discredited based upon their words; not the lack of words by the opposition. I have seen none of that here. Mudslinging is the name of the game....conservatives invented it, they perpetuate it and they will lose by it.

Me? I'm an Independent; however, I see the game, it's obvious! I'm not playing this time around. I'm voting my heart. I'm voting for the party of truth!

Obama 2012

Where is the substance to back up the mudslinging?

Puh-leeze!

Listening to FLOTUS lie is not good entertainment. It should have come with a MA rating.

The FLOTUS? Is that the Speech you caught soundbites of on FoxNews? EVERY speech given last night was exponentially better than ANYTHING given at the RNC! The DNC is causing a positive buzz and it is still two days until OUR president seals the deal.

Buy hey, at least you acknowledge that the FLOTUS was entertaining. Good for you ma'am! Being a woman, how could you not?

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by thepresident
reply to post by beezzer

 

How did she lie?

There's a whole thread on it, puddin'.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Check it out.

Yes, Michelle Obama lied.

She needs to go back to Chicago with her corrupt husband.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Next...

SEBELIUS: "So instead of the Medicare guarantee, Republicans would give seniors a voucher that limits what's covered."

THE FACTS: She left out crucial details in describing the Romney-Ryan Medicare plan. It would not apply to the nearly 50 million current Medicare recipients but to future retirees who would join the program starting in 2023. Current beneficiaries could remain in the traditional program, while new retirees would get a fixed payment from the government that could be used either to purchase a private insurance plan or a new government program modeled on traditional Medicare.

Romney and Ryan say they have no intention of limiting medical care for seniors — only restraining the growth of costs. And traditional Medicare also has its limits. It does not cover everything. Long-term care is not covered, only limited nursing home stays. And most must seniors pay out-of-pocket for dental care unless they have private insurance that covers it. Medicare has copayments and annual deductibles, and that's also a form of limiting coverage.

Without private insurance reform, then a voucher for private insurance WOULD limit what is covered because it already did. And what senior doesn't truly have at least one 'pre-existing condition?' High blood pressure would be a pre-existing condition in the eyes of some private insurance companies...and I know this for a fact because I used to do health exams for insurance applicants, at their homes, that included questions such as smoker or non-smoker and blood pressure checks. And the reason was given, because I did ask and they freely answered, that high blood pressure can indicate more serious health problems. That's a valid reason, no doubt. And so those that did not check out as healthy were not approved for insurance coverage.

Also...it is not as easy for an older person to get out and about or even get online and comparison shop anything, much less health insurance which most people don't comparison shop for, in the first place. Many might not even get any coverage because of various difficulties in shopping around or whatever...or might let their coverage lapse if they are forgetful...if it is private insurance, then probably there would be some sort of renewal since there are vouchers..and no one knows how long anyone will live....so issued on a yearly or two-year basis or similar would probably be the way it goes, right? If you miss that piece of mail or reminder, then you have to shop around AGAIN. Medicare just stays in effect until you die...and the premiums are deducted from social security income, so no one misses a payment because of being old and forgetful.

It's bad enough that seniors have to grapple with the medicare supplement insurance plan issue...this would just double it.


As far as long term care...NO health insurance covers long term care...those are separate and costly insurance plans and always have been. They are relatively new, too...something in answer to other issues caused by the mismanagement of so many things.

ALL insurance plans have a deductible and most all have a co-pay...none of them cover everything...dental insurance is not routinely part of standard health insurance but also usually offered either in tandem or separately...same way with eye care including routine eye exams and glasses. So if that is qualified as 'limiting care,' it is already a fact and it is fact for all people, not just seniors and not just medicare.

Originally posted by Alxandro
reply to post by PatrickGarrow17

 

Mayor Castro just mentioned God, and there was silence since most Dems despise God.
He also mentioned prosperity, yet almost all Dems believe in equality.

Hey there's still time for him to switch parties Maybe he will realize which one's taxing his success the most(based on his speech which I listened to).

I do have to say though, some friends mentioned he and his twin bro are mafioso, so maybe the Dems can keep him after all.