This is why I don't believe a "god" created us.

Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen
1. Look how they explain how man was created in the bible:

"Genesis 2:7 we read, And Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul."

We are too complex to be the product of a magical god, or the product of dust for that matter, we seem more like a science project to me then anything. How the [SNIP] did god create eve from adams rib? That makes no sense. Also the fact that Adam and eve were the FIRST AND ONLY at the time, they had kids who had kids who had kids, sooo we must be the product of incest according to the bible right?

Okay, so you think humans are too complicated for an omnipotent (all powerful) omniscient (all wise) being to create. I thought by definition that all powerful and all wise meant God can do pretty much whatever he wants...

2. Evolution is a lie, it's only to give atheist something to believe. We came from monkeys so why are monkeys still here? When are they gonna turn into humans? Wheres the missing link? Monkeys can't talk, how did we change so drastically in such lil time?

Won't argue with that

3. We are biological computers, living machines. Right now we have technolgy to create life, we JUST got here. A civilization more advanced then us is sure to be playing god cause you know damn well we are. Why? CURIOSITY.

This is a hypothesis that does not exclude the possibility of God...

4. You believe in the big bang? Kill yourself. It's just a THEORY, how would we know how the universe started? Plus it doesnt make sense, something can't be born from nothing, there was always something and there will always be something.

I agree that it's a theory, just like your hypothesis...but if something can't be born from nothing, isn't this evidence of God??

5. I've seen UFOS in person, they exist, and they are watching, waiting, so prepare yourself.

That sounds interesting. Have you posted on your experiences in detail?

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E=mc^2, well here's the deal: when m=0 (it's a massless object, which means it's pure energy. Then E=0, which means 0 is infinite.

Uhm.. no.

"0" is "zero",not "infinite".and Its pretty well understood"darkness" is an absence of light energy....
Words and numbers have established meanings.If I have "c-squared" dollars I have"alot" ifI have zero dollars I don't have more; i.e. "infinite"
I loves me the "interwebs" some days.....

If I keep wasting my time here I'll soon have exactly that: "zero dollars"!

Just Like "Hot" is a relatively higher state of excitation (energy) than "cold". There is no "cold"its an absence of heat (energy).

The energy contained in any mass= "c" squared
as proven at the "trinity" site in the first Atomic bomb tests. Where the few kg 's of mass was transformed back into energy and "released". With that I no longer need to read the rest of what you are trying to express..

reply to post by iKnowWhatISeen


You say some pretty IGNORANT things...

Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen
1. Look how they explain how man was created in the bible:

"Genesis 2:7 we read, And Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul."

We are too complex to be the product of a magical god, or the product of dust for that matter, we seem more like a science project to me then anything. How the [SNIP] did god create eve from adams rib? That makes no sense. Also the fact that Adam and eve were the FIRST AND ONLY at the time, they had kids who had kids who had kids, sooo we must be the product of incest according to the bible right?

If we test the genetics we can see that ALL humans on Earth are at LEAST 50th cousins, so yes, there is incest...

And while I agree that it is nonsense that woman came from man's rib (they both have the same number of ribs), that does not mean that NO god created it, it just means that the creation story of the bible is nonsense.

Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen
2. Evolution is a lie, it's only to give atheist something to believe. We came from monkeys so why are monkeys still here? When are they gonna turn into humans? Wheres the missing link? Monkeys can't talk, how did we change so drastically in such lil time?

You make it sound as if only atheists believe in evolution. Not all scientists are atheists, there are Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Jewish and many other scientists...

Like I say ALL the time, even IF evolution is false, there is still EVIDENCE and that EVIDENCE would have to fit the new theory which would then have to be really, really, similar to evolution anyway.

By the way, saying that monkey's can't talk is not evidence that evolution is false. It's just evidence of your misunderstanding.

Humans did NOT come from monkeys. Monkeys, Apes, Chimpanzees, which says about 98% of DNA in common with humans by the way, all came from the same ANCESTOR a long, long, time ago...

And we can even see skeletons of difference stages of human development, which is why I said, even if evolution is false, the real theory would have to be really, really, close to it, anyway...

You can go here for more information on evolution. Just because you don't understand something, that doesn't make it not true.

Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen
3. We are biological computers, living machines. Right now we have technolgy to create life, we JUST got here. A civilization more advanced then us is sure to be playing god cause you know damn well we are. Why? CURIOSITY.

You are projecting human mentality on alien life forms. What makes you think that they'd think just like humans and "play god" just for "curiosity"?

And how do you know that "we" are biological computers? There are theories that says that the mind is separate from the body and while you can argue that it isn't - it isn't PROVEN either way.

Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen
4. You believe in the big bang? Kill yourself.

In other words, you are saying: "If you don't agree with me, kill yourself". I don't like to insult people but do you see how ignorant that is?

Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen
It's just a THEORY,

Gravity is just a theory, wanna try jumping off a building? Electromagnetism (and way electricity works) is just a theory, so maybe you should get off of your computer then. Just joking.

Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen
how would we know how the universe started?

By tracing movement.

For example: If someone walks in the same, I can backtrack there steps (footprints) to see where they came from. It's not as simple with the universe but it's possible.

Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen
Plus it doesnt make sense

That which we don't understand seems to be senseless.

Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen
something can't be born from nothing, there was always something and there will always be something.

Very true, and we can prove this with science (quantum physics). The big bang is not something that just popped into existence, it is an expansion of condensed energy, in fact, you can even see something similar today happening with supernovas.

Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen
5. I've seen UFOS in person, they exist, and they are watching, waiting, so prepare yourself

For what? Do you assume that they would think like humans would who grew up on Planet Earth, with a brain similar to species on Earth and social rules common to Earth? I don't think so.

tHumans did NOT come from monkeys. Monkeys, Apes, Chimpanzees, which says about 98% of DNA in common with humans by the way, all came from the same ANCESTOR a long, long, time ago...

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arpgme

"Same ancestor a long long time ago"?? How do you prove that in your scientific petri dish world? Or is that simply theology? So by your standards the God people's theology is foolish but your theology of everybody came from the same mommy and daddy is okay? But wait ! I thought that the foolish God people's book of fables says that they also have the same mommy and daddy. Course you don't name your mommy and daddy but the foolish God people tells us that their mommy and daddy was Eve and Adam. Maybe one of the white coated beaker boys can tell us about how long ago they can prove their parents existed. Or would that be in the neighborhood of Theology?

I am more interested in the "UFO" sightings you claim to be witness too. Could you elaborate more on what you saw? Forgive me for not completely believing your statement but it's clear from your post that you fail to grasp basic science, as well as basic logic. You state that the Big Bang is nothing more than a theory, which is correct. There is evidence to suggest that the event may have occurred, but there is no way to be absolutely certain. What you seem to miss is that your idea of an alien race creating us is nothing more than a theory as well, a theory which has virtually no evidence at all. Please elaborate on these points.

reply to post by Seede

Maybe one of the white coated beaker boys can tell us about how long ago they can prove their parents existed.

List of human evolution fossils
Longer than six thousand years

1. The bible is not written by God, it is written by man with inspiration from God, the prophets and seers of many ages merely wrote what they saw in visions from the Lord, so dust, being interpreted is atomic particles, the dust from the ground being the many minerals and such that are in us and also in stars and planets, we all come from stardust, im sure you may have heard people like brian cox saying this, shortsighted as he is, anyway, the breath of life is the vital living force, or Prana in sanskrit, without it the body is simply a car with no gas, with God making woman out of the rib of man i'm not really able to ascertain the meaning of this definately either, but much of the bible is not meant to be taken literally at all, it is all metaphors, allegories and parables, and these are written in a way that the people of those times could understand, dust and all such other things, are just their way of saying what they see, words like quark and proton didnt exist back then.

- This is the way it would have worked with animals as well, and probably still does, im no expert, but humans have the ability to rise up and go beyond this, or stay at their beginnings and actually resist the flow of evolution, so if the species had to be spread in this way at first, that is only natural, but then it is natural for us to evolve past this with time.


2 . Evolution is not a lie, but it is the evolution of the soul that you should be worried about, as you move toward self-realisation your characteristics change, and equally we are all, animals included, characteristics of mother earth, and so with the evolution of the soul of the earth, the earths characteristics, i.e the bodies of all its creatures/components evolve as well, but let us not forget that the earth is only a characteristic of the solar system, the solar system being part of pleiades, being part of the galaxy, the cluster, the cosmos, and ultimately the cosmos being part of God and God being a part of you.
We can choose to be animals and think only of sex and survival, look how much better i am than you etc etc money money money sex money sex money sex money food. But if a bear could climb a tree to get some sweet honey, would it never ever climb that tree just because it was scared of losing the small ugly fish it had caught? So we can choose to evolve with our capacity, or stay on the ground and not taste the sweet honey of immortality. Evolution/Science and Religion/Spirituality do not need to be opposing sides, in fact it is a dangerous seperation for society.

3 . Correct, our bodies are simply machines, machines made of flesh and muscle and blood instead of metal and plastic and oil, and our minds are machines made of synapses, nerves and chemicals, so where are YOU ? The machine made of metal and plastic and oil, does it do anything on its own? a car, say, can it drive itself? No. You need to get in it and push the pedals, and steer it, similarly our bodies do nothing on their own, neither our minds, but the pure self of all created beings, the seat of all consciousness;

In the Bible in exodus God tells Moses that his name is: I AM THAT, I AM
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One of the four sacred utterances of Hinduism is: YOU ARE THAT

The Qu'ran also says repeatedly: HE IS THE HEARER, THE KNOWER

I, am, the centre of awareness, not our bodies, our ego's our clothes our job title, even our thoughts and feelings and emotions, none of these are who YOU are, indeed who i am, but the eternal watcher see's and feels all these things, that is God, and that is the goal of all religions and even science, to reach the ultimate reality, and the ultimate reality is that there is only ONE, plotinus, founder of neo-platonism said that no true sentence can be uttered about the ONE because saying 'the' ONE implies seperateness.

Perhaps us and advanced civilisations could grant life the possibility of existing by preparing certain conditions but only God can give life to the vessel we creat, and if we evolve to be able to do something like that then it is not unnatural.

4. This one requires a full thread, which i will be writing when i get over the 20 post limit, but for now just be assured friend, that again, all the scriptures describe the big bang in incredibly esoteric ways, the only bit thats not in the scriptures is the actual bang, it was more smooth i believe.

5. Yes I believe UFO's exist, doesnt disprove God though, and, I'm sure you may have heard of ancient aliens theory, what we call aliens they may have called angels, devas, demons, gods etcetc but not the ONE LORD

None of the worlds religions or theories based on science and evolution actually contradict each other, it is down to four things 1 ego 2 failure to see the wood for the trees 3 desire for money and power 4 desire to constantly gratify sense impulses/the senses

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Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen
1. Look how they explain how man was created in the bible:

"Genesis 2:7 we read, And Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul."

We are too complex to be the product of a magical god, or the product of dust for that matter, we seem more like a science project to me then anything. How the [SNIP] did god create eve from adams rib? That makes no sense. Also the fact that Adam and eve were the FIRST AND ONLY at the time, they had kids who had kids who had kids, sooo we must be the product of incest according to the bible right?

2. Evolution is a lie, it's only to give atheist something to believe. We came from monkeys so why are monkeys still here? When are they gonna turn into humans? Wheres the missing link? Monkeys can't talk, how did we change so drastically in such lil time?

3. We are biological computers, living machines. Right now we have technolgy to create life, we JUST got here. A civilization more advanced then us is sure to be playing god cause you know damn well we are. Why? CURIOSITY.

4. You believe in the big bang? Kill yourself. It's just a THEORY, how would we know how the universe started? Plus it doesnt make sense, something can't be born from nothing, there was always something and there will always be something.

5. I've seen UFOS in person, they exist, and they are watching, waiting, so prepare yourself.

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1. I agree, the Bible does not have a very good explaination of creation. But remember, Genesis was written at least 4000 years ago. So what seemed advanced to those peoples is not to us. If you would like a much more plausible and detailed explaination of creation check out the Urantia Book. (www.urantia.org...)

2. Evolution is a fact. The human race is still evolving. Professional sports is a good example of this. Also look at houses built in the late 1800's, much smaller doorways and stairs. Human's are getting bigger. The reason that missing links won't be found is because evolution happens suddenly. The ancestral race is unaffected. Think of it as progressive evolution. Evolution is God's creative technique in Time and Space. Human's and monkey's had a common ancester long, long ago that no longer exists. That is why we share a certain amount of DNA. The line of mammals that produced the first humans have not existed for nearly 1 million years. It is said that the only animal that still exists from our lineage is the frog. Everything else inbetween died off. Most likely killed off by the superiour race they produced.

3. We are living machines. We are the only animals with the ability to worship and have wisdom. Those two attributes forever seperates us from regular animals. This is by design. We do not have the technology to create life. If you mean test tube babies, that is not creating life. The sperm and egg are already alive. To create life you must take dead matter and inject life. Life only springs from pre-existant life. There is only one uncaused cause, and that is the first source and center (God).

4. The Big Bang did not happen as science teaches. Time and Space were created though. We don't observe objects only traveling away from the center of the universe. We can see both clockwise and counter-clockwise movement.

5. Although I have not personally seen a UFO, I do believe they exist. I believe the universe is teeming with life and it makes perfect sense that some species would be advanced enough to travel across great distances of space.

reply to post by iKnowWhatISeen


First indication you have no clue... you think evolution says humans come from monkeys... it doesn't.

Ok your credibility is now Zero.

Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen
1. Look how they explain how man was created in the bible:

"Genesis 2:7 we read, And Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul."

We are too complex to be the product of a magical god, or the product of dust for that matter, we seem more like a science project to me then anything. How the [SNIP] did god create eve from adams rib? That makes no sense. Also the fact that Adam and eve were the FIRST AND ONLY at the time, they had kids who had kids who had kids, sooo we must be the product of incest according to the bible right?

Is exactly how you interpret the meaning there definitely how it went down (in literal sense, exactly like that?) - I believe the Bible tells us that the "Gods" used genetic engineering to create humanity. Heck, you CAN clone animals from single cells (i.e. from a rib!) - just because the people who transposed the stories of the bible didn't understand the technology of the time doesn't mean the tale isn't true.

Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen
2. Evolution is a lie, it's only to give atheist something to believe. We came from monkeys so why are monkeys still here? When are they gonna turn into humans? Wheres the missing link? Monkeys can't talk, how did we change so drastically in such lil time?

You're the first person I've ever met who thinks there is a theory of evolution in which man evolved from monkeys. Seriously. Nobody thinks that, unless they've never looked into the theory of evolution.

Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen
3. We are biological computers, living machines. Right now we have technolgy to create life, we JUST got here. A civilization more advanced then us is sure to be playing god cause you know damn well we are. Why? CURIOSITY.

Quite possible, I think you could be right. I don't *know* that for a fact, and, well, neither do you, but it is fully plausible.

Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen
4. You believe in the big bang? Kill yourself. It's just a THEORY, how would we know how the universe started? Plus it doesnt make sense, something can't be born from nothing, there was always something and there will always be something.

"kill yourself?!" Really? The Big Bang Theory is probably correct, at least as part of the equation/explanation. Also, the Big Bang Theory isn't about birthing the Universe from nothing, it is about a singularity of an insane amount of energy which exploded outward, and eventually cooled and expanded into the universe as we (barely) know it.

Originally posted by iKnowWhatISeen
5. I've seen UFOS in person, they exist, and they are watching, waiting, so prepare yourself.

I (and several people I know) saw UFOs for the first time recently, and what we found most interesting was the "knowledge" and "understanding" which seems to have been communicated to us during our experience (which really came as revelations in the aftermath.) I didn't get anything in terms of needing to "prepare myself", but hey, that was your experience, so be it.

I just think you speak far too much in absolutes, about subjects you don't fully understand.

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Here is an example on what I mean by "kind".

Take the bear. There are 8 different species of bears in the world. Some say that since they are different, this is proof of macro evolution. But what you are missing is the fact that they are still bears. They didn't evolve into deer or anything else. They are still bears. this applies to every living creature we have observed. They may have variations, but they are still the same kind of animal. Macro evolution is the assumption that one "kind" can evolve into another "kind". Which has NEVER been observed so how is macro evolution even a viable theory?

Once again, no one disputes micro evolution. It's the assumption that fish turned to reptiles, reptiles to birds, ect., that I disagree with.

To say micro evolution proves macro evolution is also very foolish of you. Your saying that variations within a "kind" somehow prove that an animal can change "kinds". Since such a thing has never been observed or recorded, it is indeed an assumption that requires has much faith as creationism.


Thank you for spending some time for a reasonable response. I will touch base on your topics when I get home since doing this on a phone is quite tedious.

Why is this thread allowed to exist? He just insults people, tells people to "kill yourself" and spouts out his own beliefs as if they are fact while presenting 0 evidence. Further he demonstrates ignorance clearly not understanding evolution at all with the classic "durr why are there still monkeys?!!" Clear mark of an ignorant person who brushes off evolution without even knowing what it is first.

It's so ironic hearing someone tell people to "kill themself" if they give credence to theories based on extensive scientific evidence and study, while instead preaching some story of biological computers made by aliens (and where pre tell did they come...?) based on ... nothing but his own imagination and desires. Does he at least supply sources? Evidence? Of course not.

reply to post by iKnowWhatISeen

We are too complex to be the product of a magical god, or the product of dust for that matter, we seem more like a science project to me then anything. How the [SNIP] did god create eve from adams rib? That makes no sense. Also the fact that Adam and eve were the FIRST AND ONLY at the time, they had kids who had kids who had kids, sooo we must be the product of incest according to the bible right?

It is quite clear from the above nonsense that your opinion and theory on the matter of whether a 'god' created us, are entirely worthless - as they are based on an intellectual foundation completely lacking in any sort of education with regards to what Christians & Jews actually believe about the Book of Genesis. Or indeed, regarding alternative explanations for what is meant by the details of the stories contained therein.

Did you realise it was a Jewish fable - a folk tale? Do you comprehend the idea of a parable? Do you ever read a book and think ''Hmm.. There's something between the lines here, but I can't put my finger on it...''

Well guess what? There is something between the lines - and not just that, but in fact there are myriad layers of meaning. In fact, the Old Testament in general, and specifically the Book of Genesis, something is carefully hidden, waiting for the day when Mankind would know how to find it. It is something phenomenal, contained within the actual language that the book was written in. You won't get anywhere in understanding anything about theology, or life in general, if you simply look with your eyes and believe that you 'know it all' on the basis of the sort of simplistic and blindly ignorant interpretation that a literal reading gives. It is unscientific, it is illogical, and it is indefensible, intellectually speaking. The Book of Genesis was never intended to be a scientific treatise in its literal interpretation...


Nobody who knows anything worth knowing about any of the things you listed in the OP (any of them - UFO sightings included) gives a crap about your opinion (sorry to be so blunt, I don't hate you for your opinion, but your opinion really irritates me - such nonsense generally adds to the confusion surrounding the authentic purpose and nature of many, many mysterious subjects)... The only reason I have bothered to write a reply is to hopefully encourage less experienced/ researched folk to keep on searching, and not to take it as some sort of absolute truth that there is no Truth in the Book of Genesis, simply because an uneducated soul told them so.. That also applies to your opinions on the other points you listed - you simply haven't done enough research/ gotten enough understanding of the most basic principles involved, to go presenting us with your opinion as being some sort of worthwhile information in itself.

It's not just the Freemasons who like to hide things in plain sight.

There are aspects of the Book of Genesis which are in fact TOO COMPLEX for most people to understand, even in today's fantastically advanced modern age; however, convincing you of that TRUE FACT is likely to be akin to banging my head against a brick wall while listening to thrash metal and eating thistles, so I won't bother - except to say one word:

Torus

That's a clue. Try doing a bit of detective work, and you might discover something astounding, which will completely alter your perception of what the Old Testament actually is. (Hint - it is not just a collection of fables, histories and genealogies - though that is its primary appearance, and it has served admirably in its original/ enduring capacity as a source of instruction, inspiration & general moral instruction, since the day the first words were written down. PS - the oldest book in the Bible is NOT Genesis; there's another truth that might encourage your critical thinking...)

Your 'opinion', on every single point, is entirely wrong on many, many levels. Please try to avoid spouting nonsense in a place where other people might be negatively influenced by it. Remember - is not your job, indeed not a job for any of us, to instruct people regarding opinions, if really, no opinions have been formed at all, but rather the person making such bold statements has simply relapsed into a particular condition of ignorance - a condition that certain powers in this world want everyone to stagnate in, rather than come to a knowledge of the Truth.

Blessings anyway - keep searching, and apologies for slamming on you so much. I just get irritated by things that can cause others to give up on very specific elements of education that are crucial in their quest to find the Truth for themselves.

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um the peppered moth study was debunked a long time ago.

www.neatorama.com...

In the mid-1800s pollution from factories in Britain was darkening trees by killing the lichen, and scientists also noted a decline in the ratio between lighter-colored peppered moths and darker varieties.

It was hypothesized that the lighter moths were easier to spot and thus were eaten by more birds. Here was evolution in action. Bernard Kettlewell sat in the woods and watched to see whether birds preferred the lighter version to darker, and he reported that indeed they were twice as likely to eat the lighter moths.

Three problems, though: (1) Kettlewell was responsible for nailing dead moths to the trees for the birds to feed on, (2) peppered moths rarely alight on tree trunks, and (3) birds don't normally feed on months moths that are on the side of trees. Even after scientists were informed of these inconsistencies, many still clung to the validity of the experiment, perhaps because they wanted to believe it as the canonical example of observed natural selection.

I know it's not adding much to this topic - as such - but please watch this great piece of art about evolution.

Originally posted by Seede

"Same ancestor a long long time ago"?? How do you prove that in your scientific petri dish world? Or is that simply theology?

It isn't theology, since theology is the study of gods. It is your job to look for the proof if you are interested in truth.

Originally posted by Seede
So by your standards the God people's theology is foolish but your theology of everybody came from the same mommy and daddy is okay? But wait ! I thought that the foolish God people's book of fables says that they also have the same mommy and daddy. Course you don't name your mommy and daddy but the foolish God people tells us that their mommy and daddy was Eve and Adam. Maybe one of the white coated beaker boys can tell us about how long ago they can prove their parents existed. Or would that be in the neighborhood of Theology?

I don't know if there was a single mom and dad that everyone came from, that is the difference, and I am not claiming to know. What I do know, due to genetics is that all humans are at least 50th cousins.

I never said that the Adam and Eve story was nonsense because it has a single mother and father, I said it was nonsense because it claims that woman comes from man's ribs.

Supposedly, God takes a "rib" out of many, forms the woman, and then they find each other, marry each other, and become "one flesh" - man and wife.

Anyway, Theology is the study of God, so even if you believe in God, the Adam and Eve story would not be considered "Theology" but "Biblical Creationism"...

reply to post by iKnowWhatISeen

I completely agree, people are misunderstanding what I'm tryna say, it's okay, just my opinion for today, tommorows a new adventure. Thanks for all the input! Greatly appreciate the different views, not the people who automatically try to discredit me.

If there just your opinions for today and you change your mind so fluidly and your not really sure of anything. Then why are you being so disrespectful to our beliefs? You wonder why people are getting mad and are tring to automatically discredit you?

You believe in the big bang? Kill yourself.

maybe its because of statements like this.

and just to tell you if you actually took the time to study the bible, you would find out that yes we are a product of incest. it happened in many places in the bible (even though its considered a sin). Incest wasen't such a taboo like it is today people used to marry cousin and other family members all the time. it wasent until later on in history that it was fround upon.

Note I do not approve or practice incest I'm just makin a point : )

We did not evolve from monkeys, we share a common ancestor,

Many scientists say this, but every time I ask the question:

What exactly is this common ancestor? Has its fossils been found? What is the classification and the name of this ancestor?

I never get any answers and I can't find any information on it on the internet. And I've been searching for years. I've even read the entire encyclopedia of evolution trying to find the answer.

So does anybody knowledgeable have this information?

If it doesn't exist, then why does science insist on teaching that we do? If it doesn't exist then that means that we do not come from a common ancestor, and that we possibly evolved separately.

Quite frankly, i'm getting really frustrated with hearing this and am beginning to believe it's a load of wishful thinking.

Until I get some real definitive answers I just can't buy it.

In regards to the op:

God is omnipotent so there's really nothing he can't do, so no, we are not too complex for him to create. If we are too complex then he is not omnipotent.

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They say we share a common ancestor because we can look at the DNA of Chimpanzees and others and notice that we have 98% shared DNA, and this is much less with other life forms. Plus we can see transitional forms of humans, chimpanzees and others, So it seems like it make sense to concluded that we came from a common ancestor.

Now, like I said before. Even if evolution is not true, we will have to take the transitional fossils of humans , moneys, etc. and the fact that we all share 98% DNA compared to other lifeforms and include all of that in the new theory. So it would still be something at least somewhat similar.


I'm not saying that evolution as we understand it is 100% truth, I'm just saying it is the best guess we have yet because it includes all of the information we have, but maybe there is no evolution.

Here is another theory, Maybe there was no evolution, maybe these "transitional forms" are completely different types of humans, just like there are different types of dogs, cats, etc...

I'm staying open minded on this subject.

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Has its fossils been found? What is the classification and the name of this ancestor?

Quite possibly and its name is Australopithecus sediba

He said: "The fossils show an amazingly advanced but small brain, a very evolved hand with a long thumb like a human's, a very modern pelvis, but a foot and ankle shape never seen in any hominin species that mixes features of both apes and humans in one anatomical package
Missing link between man and apes discovered