New Scientific Report Destroys Global Warming!

Originally posted by MeesterB
www.guardian.co.uk...

"A great silence is spreading over the natural world even as the sound of man is becoming deafening," he writes in a new book, The Great Animal Orchestra. "Little by little the vast orchestra of life, the chorus of the natural world, is in the process of being quietened. There has been a massive decrease in the density and diversity of key vocal creatures, both large and small. The sense of desolation extends beyond mere silence. "If you listen to a damaged soundscape … the community [of life] has been altered, and organisms have been destroyed, lost their habitat or been left to re-establish their places in the spectrum. As a result, some voices are gone entirely, while others aggressively compete to establish a new place in the increasingly disjointed chorus."

Your source did say some things would go extinct.
Might want to do a modern day ark and collect 1 or 2 of everything you can find. Store the dna and clone later.
I wonder how that would go on one of those websites where people give you money for whatever.
How much would you give?(Not seriously recruiting. Just hypothetical.)

What it cannot say with certainty is the rate of extinction would be any MORE than it currently is with the poisoning of the earth. Many things would thrive with INCREASED CO2. Plants being one. Plants are known as "PRODUCERS" in the food chain. They thrive without eating other living organisms. An increase in plant life is a good thing.

Originally posted by wittgenstein
“It is very obvious to everyone that global warming is in fact happening.”
CaptGizmo
Agreed!

“The real problem is when Charlatan like Al Gore proclaim global warming is man made, all the while his personal carbon footprint with his multiple mansions is equal to a large factory it gets everyone freaked out.”
CaptGizmo
Al Gore is not the issue. But he is spot on when it comes to global warming. You have committed en.wikipedia.org... * and I am sure many other fallacies. Here is a list en.wikipedia.org... . I am tired of teaching basic logic, find your other fallacies yourself!


“Global warming is a cyclical event.”
CaptGizmo
You state that with such conviction! WOW! You are more scientifically literate then the entire scientific community!!!
NAH!!
I’ll still agree with NASA, and all the other scientific organizations

* For example the form of your argument is like,
1. Manson tells lies.
2. Manson said that 1+1=2.
3. Therefore 1+1 does not =2!
Obviously an absurd argument. Attack the argument! Not the person! DUH! Basic logic 101!

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If you believe in scientific organizations then you don't deny ice ages happen. You understand that the majority of CO2 produced on this planet is a result of volcanic activity right?

Maybe you can help me. I want ONE statistic. Just one. Show me the amount of CO2 generated by humans last year compared to natural CO2 generated last year. Good luck. You will likely return with the build up story about how humans have "tipped the scales" hahahaha. The stat i am requesting is top secret.

Originally posted by FeatherofMaat
10,000 reports make it clear Global Warming caused by Man is indeed the case . . . and you think you find one where it isn't.

You are irrelevant to the human condition. You will be swept aside.

This statement is false. NO report says humans caused global warming. Not one.

What they PROPOSE is that our use of fossil fuels has "tipped" the scales where CO2 levels in the atmosphere are not being removed faster than they are being created. Man's effect is ALWAYS referred to as the tipping point on a large amount of NATURAL CO2 production.

CO2 in the atmosphere is cyclical. Nothing we can do or try to do can stop that. it doesn't mean we shouldn't try and reduce our own use of dirty oil. But just because we reduce or eliminate our CO2 production it does not mean the earth will not heat up or that CO2 in the atmosphere will not increase in the future. No scientist will argue this.

“Show me the amount of CO2 generated by humans last year compared to natural CO2 generated last year. Good luck.”
Rwfresh
co2now.org...
Good grief! Do I have to teach logic 101 again?!
Even tho your statement is www.merriam-webster.com... (many fox “news”enthusiasts do not know what contentious means) , lets suppose that what you imply is correct , that comparing human influence on the environment to natural effects will show that the sun and earth have a greater influence on earth then man. DUH!
SO WHAT! If you have a leak in your gas tank , speeding up ( a human willed event) will still be a stupid thing to do!
I’m sure you will argue that ultimately, the sun is to blame and not humans. DUH!! That is like saying that if the thermostat is on high, that is the ultimate reason for the room being hot (greenhouse) and opening a window will do no good. DUH! Obviously, only a fool would not open a window if the thermostat was stuck.

Originally posted by wittgenstein
Tin foil hat time. EVERY reputable scientific organization in the world has issued statements that confirm that global warming is a fact and that humans have greatly contributed to it. To say that every scientific organization in the world en.wikipedia.org... www.ucsusa.org... is part of a conspiracy is ridiculous! Who is in charge of the conspiracy? Bigfoot? Not only the above but N.A.S.A , National Geographic, Scientific American are also part of the conspiracy!!! OMG!!!

“This statement is false. NO report says humans caused global warming. Not one.”
rwfresh

DUH!!! Scroll back. Here, I will do your work for you! See above!
EVERY scientific organization in the world has issued statements that humans caused global warming.

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Global Warming has been proven through measurements. It is the reason(s) behind the global warming that are unknown. Why do people try to claim it isn't real? (I know, I know, it was cold where you live in January, so there's no global warming.)

Fact: the average temperature on Earth has been steadily increasing.

Unknown: why the temperature is increasing amd whether it is part of a regular cycle.

lol

so when coastal towns are underwater, the fish will indeed enjoy it

lol


what a bunch of maroons

“Unknown: why the temperature is increasing amd whether it is part of a regular cycle.”
dogstar23
I realize that this is a conspiracy site. However, to claim that EVERY scientific organization in the world is part of a conspiracy, seems farfetched to me. Every scientific organization in the world have issued statements that humans have greatly contributed to global warming. Cycles is such silliness!
See
www.scientificamerican.com...
God, I hate repeating myself! PLEASE scroll back!!

Originally posted by jjf3rd77
In 2006 Al Gore launched a successful brainwashing campaign for a new pagan religion called Global Warming with his mainstream subliminal film, An Inconvenient Truth!

Today, there is literal silence about the topic in the scientific communities. The common explanation among liberal activists (we used to call them hippies) is that there is already 97% consensus that Global Warming real and that it is caused by humans. So why stop the conversation there? What are you going to do about it? In reality, it is largely a political issue and the mainstream scientists are paid off to keep quiet and to lay low. There have been little conclusive evidence to match the conclusions of the so-called Global Warming models or actual oh you know experiments to prove that Global Warming, now known as "climate change" again, is actually caused by humans!

This Global Warming theory has once again hit the mainstream media but this time, again, it's a case against the idiotic theory. We all are aware that there were larger animals during the times of the tropical dino periods. For a long time the global scientists have refused to talk about the dinosaurs in relation to Global Warming. Did that religion also not have dinos? hmmmm. Don't make fun of the creationists for not believing in dinos when you refuse to talk about them too!

Now, it seems that a report coming out finally realizes that warmer temperatures are actually GOOD for this planet and that it will NOT cause mass extinctions!!!!!! Rather it would cause plant and animal population booms! Saving any credit these mainstream scientist expect to keep they backtrack just a little bit and add that THIS study does not conclude that the rapid changes in the environment are good for species of today. It is simply a long look at the history of all species on this planet.

Which I believe in conclusion proves once and for all that the Global Warming theory is bunk! Animals and Humans will find a way to adapt if the climate changes as rapidly as we think it is.

Global Warming Good For BioDiversity
I am literally amazed that this report has not generated too much noise. Why is that, you have to wonder? Since the democrats have mostly moved on from the Global Warming scandal and into a new one, "gay marriage," one has to wonder what is up with the literal silence here.

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LOL.

Huh? Did you even bother to read the article that summarizes the study which you purportedly "destroys" Global Warming? Ever bother to read the CLOUD study?

Both of the studies you have referenced SUPPORT THE IDEA THAT MAN-MADE GLOBAL WARMING IS OCCURRING AND HAVING PROFOUND EFFECTS ON THE GLOBAL CLIMATE.

In fact, the first one BEGINS with the presupposition that man-made global warming is well underway. The study concludes only that warmer temperatures can ultimately lead to an increase in biodiversity. The term biodiversity simply means "a relative measure of genetic mutation between species". There is nothing at all about increased biodiversity that excludes mass extinctions also occurring simultaneously. In fact, the study itself starts out with the presupposition that man-made global warming is occurring as we speak and that presumably only crazy people would think otherwise.

Likewise...the CLOUD study specifically states "Cosmic rays are charged particles that bombard the Earth's atmosphere from outer space. Studies suggest they may have an influence on the amount of cloud cover through the formation of new aerosols (tiny particles suspended in the air that seed cloud droplets). This is supported by satellite measurements, which show a possible correlation between cosmic-ray intensity and the amount of low cloud cover. Clouds exert a strong influence on the Earth’s energy balance; changes of only a few per cent have an important effect on the climate. Understanding the underlying microphysics in controlled laboratory conditions is a key to unravelling the connection between cosmic rays and clouds.

Hence...the scientists at CERN were attempting to explain the microphysical behavior of how particulate, cosmic rays, and cloud cover interact with one another...TO CAUSE GLOBAL WARMING.

You are so poorly educated, that you don't even realize that your two big "smoking guns" BOTH accept the existence of man-made global warming in much the same way that they accept the existence of gravity. Namely...they treat it as being a self-evident reality.

You should read more books.

“so when coastal towns are underwater, the fish will indeed enjoy it”
syrinx high priest

HUH?!!!! I’m a human not a fish. I’m for humans not fish! I don’t want en.wikipedia.org... en.wikipedia.org... under water!!! YES! That is my personal preference! Is it yours?

I believe its a natural cycle. That an ice age is quite a few thousands of years away and earth is warming up, and its wonderful.

The crapola is from HAARP, NUKES, BP, FUKUSHIMA, and not from the natural climate, and I look forward to nicer climates in Northern Canada.

I actually had a vision of Vancouver Island and the Fraser Valley more like Hawaii with fruit growing year round.

I wrote a very thorough thread with TONS of research and well cited sources and scientific journals on this subject...

You can see it in my signature. Man-made global warming has been well demonstrated as false.

The Vostok cores have raw data that you can see for yourself which shows that temperatures increase BEFORE Co2 rises. The Vostok cores go back 400,000 years, long before man, and show temperature increases lead to and PRECEED Co2 increases.

The medieval warming period also demonstrates this phenomenon before industrialized man existed.

This is why the media has been quiet is because REAL scientists did their jobs.

~Namaste

Only anti-science Neanderthals deny the obvious evidence. Humans have contributed to global warming and it is a real threat. I will still stand with science and rationality!

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Folks, there's no reason to argue with someone as stubborn and naive as this.
You're wasting your time. If this guy wants to believe that fossil fuels have
no negative effects on Earth then let him. I would have loved to seen none of the
"hippie,tree hugging, liberal that has nothing better to do then to try and preserve the
environment" respond to this garbage.
Then this thread would of been nothing more then him and a few like minded folks
speaking nonsense to one another


Just for the record I have conservative friends that think we need to get off fossil fuels
and start finding cleaner and safer alternatives. So stop making this a left and right issue.
It should be everyone's issue.
God forbid that some people want to evolve and find cleaner and safer energy
God forbid that we try and stop being dependent on foreign oil.
And God forbid that people actually give a crap about our environment.
Ooh what an evil agenda
Give me a break.

I think we can all agree that oil has cost us MANY lives, damn near destroyed the sea life and
whether you want to admit it or not plays a huge roll in why America is in the middle east.
We ARE running out of oil and to think otherwise is pure foolishness.
So if that isn't enough incentive to get off fossil fuels then there's no point in having any further
discussions with you. You are a lost cause.
(and I wouldn't be surprised if you or someone you know is in the oil industry)

So are you telling me that scientists from all around the world who have done extensive
research on this subject are all in on a global conspiracy?
What is their agenda? What do they gain from this?

I'm sorry to tell you this but I am going to believe scientists from ALL over the world before
I believe the one source you gave. Especially a source that is affiliated with an oil company!!!
Are you freaken serious ?

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Unknown: why the temperature is increasing amd whether it is part of a regular cycle.

Well funny the other planets are ALSO warming up....Now what in the solar system could possibly be hot and big enough to cause that......hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Click

Sorry, but the believers in global warming are being tricked by Big Brother.

Hmmn, so far I have learned that we have a "bunch of maroons," here along with people who don't know how to use the quote and reply button in the upper right hand corner of any post you wish to respond to.


JK, interesting information OP. Thanks for sharing. I have long wanted to see a cost benefit analysis of the proposed global warming legislation vs. its proposed benefit to those of us who will pay for it.

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Typical global warming hippies

Yeah nice stereotype... besides whats wrong with hippies?

You just make yourself look like an intolerant bigot, saying things like that.

Originally posted by jjf3rd77
Now, it seems that a report coming out finally realizes that warmer temperatures are actually GOOD for this planet and that it will NOT cause mass extinctions!!!!!! Rather it would cause plant and animal population booms!

It seems you practiced very selective reading in regards to that article.

They found that while warm periods in the geological past experienced increased extinctions, they also promoted the origination of new species, increasing overall biodiversity.

So yes, increased biodiversity. But also increased extinctions, although you chose to claim that it leads to NO extinctions. Yet again:

there is more extinction in warm geological periods

One more time, just for good measure. Here's the kicker:

However, they do not suggest that current global warming is good for existing species. Increases in global diversity take millions of years, and in the meantime we expect extinctions to occur

Either your reading comprehension is terrible, or you just consciously chose to ignore and/or twist what the article actually says in order to fit your own opinions.

It says, REPEATEDLY, that warm temperatures WILL lead to increased extinctions, and that any possible boost to biodiversity would take millions of years. Yet somehow, you choose to interpret that as "there will be no extinctions and it will increase biodiversity."

Originally posted by SonOfTheLawOfOne
I wrote a very thorough thread with TONS of research and well cited sources and scientific journals on this subject...

You can see it in my signature. Man-made global warming has been well demonstrated as false.

The Vostok cores have raw data that you can see for yourself which shows that temperatures increase BEFORE Co2 rises. The Vostok cores go back 400,000 years, long before man, and show temperature increases lead to and PRECEED Co2 increases.

The medieval warming period also demonstrates this phenomenon before industrialized man existed.

This is why the media has been quiet is because REAL scientists did their jobs.

~Namaste

real scientists understand CO2 is only part of how humans contrubute to AGW. it's impossible to say how much human activity is contributing

do you think human activity is helping or has literally no effect ?

lemme get some popcorn first