A new country in North America? What do Canadians and Americans make of this?

reply to post by Hefficide


No matter what happens, they still need to export LaBatts to the USA. That is mandatory in my book

reply to post by ExNihilo


They weren't ready to interfere in '95 and they won't next time, if it came to it.

But like I said, it's a pipe dream. The real chance came in '95 and it didn't happen. The BQ is dead as a party and the PQ isn't stupid enough to go that route now. Quebec has already been coddled enough that any politician wouldn't try it.

Pipe dream.

Originally posted by GAOTU789
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They weren't ready to interfere in '95 and they won't next time, if it came to it.

But like I said, it's a pipe dream. The real chance came in '95 and it didn't happen. The BQ is dead as a party and the PQ isn't stupid enough to go that route now. Quebec has already been coddled enough that any politician wouldn't try it.

Pipe dream.

I am sorry but you must not have watched the debate from last week. PQ is bringing the referendum to the table as soon as they get in power. Like Pauline Marois said, if 800 000 signatures are put forward it is their "duty" to call another referendum.

And we all know that these 800 000 signatures are already signed.

Originally posted by ExNihilo
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To invade or attack Quebec would not go unpunished.

I'm sure they'll use ICBMs to defend Quebec.

Take cover Ottawa! Inter-Canadian Baguette Missiles incoming!!

reply to post by ExNihilo


No I didn't watch the debates. Quebec politics bore me to be honest. You can dream of your own country but be careful what you wish for, this isn't the streets of Montreal where you're fighting for free education, this is on a scale all together different.

Does Quebec have any oil?

If they do well, you know...

a few news clips in regards to i dunno...Cheese factories being used to create potent Bacteria some minor changes to how Samuel de Champlain is portrayed in modern text books, some fresh buzz about future Water Wars and the Historical Cheapness of the French and then we call Hugo Chavez on the phone and tell him he won Two free tickets to Quebec and drop them all the minute he gets off the plane.

I could spin this... Just sayin

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Fear not, If it's French it'll be socialist. Just another nation that won't have to spend a great amount of it's own money for defence. Because the USA has it's back. C'est la vie.

reply to post by ExNihilo


I think your map is wrong. If I remember right, "Quebec" is only a small strip of land less than 100 miles wide north of the St. Lawrence River. The "province" was given custodial rights over the balance of the northern portion/territory and the Gaspe Peninsula. Anyone out there care to confirm this?

In any event, if they want to keep their little bit of land, pay up their bill and leave, so be it, I will miss them (especially those french Canadian chicks, some of them are just way too hot).

ETA: Here is a map concerning the royal proclamation pertaining to Quebec's land rights (you just have to go down the page a bit HERE. So my mistake, Gaspe was included. You can also check the James Bay land management agreements, they are custodial in nature and do not transfer ownership to Quebec. It would seem Quebec will not be a very large "country" but as I said, they have some of the hottest chicks ;-)

Cheers - Dave

Let Quebec be its own country. Does that mean we won't have to have English and French on all out labels? Notice how I put English first.

Quebec takes everything and gives nothing but arrogance, ego and a holier than thou attitude. What's your contribution to Canada...Poutine?

Smart move to be surrounded by another Country on all sides that you insult at every turn.

Now we can take down all those dual language signs, get rid of "press 1 for English, 2 for French" recordings and finally charge YOU for crossing our borders with toll booths.

Good riddance.

Only problem I see is that Canada won't allow it and that's the final word. You are not everything you think you are. Your taxes will rise, tariffs for imports from every province will increase and a lot of your exports will be boycotted by true Canadians.

Fun times ahead.

Peace

reply to post by ExNihilo

Quebec is ONE BIG PAIN IN THE ASS! Most Canadians feel this way and since the U.S. and Canada are so interconnected...just about every Family in the U.S. has a Canadian Family Member and vice versa.

When the Soviet Union and even RUSSIA to this day...come out with their yearly Defense Report...it is labeled......THE NORTH AMERICAN MILITARY DEFENSIVE AND OFFENSIVE CAPABILITY REPORT 2012....or what ever year it may be. Canada and the U.S. are EXTREMELY CLOSE and there are HUNDREDS OF JOINT U.S./CANADIAN MILITARY BASES ALL OVER CANADA.

NORAD stands for NORTH AMERICAN AEROSPACE DEFENSE COMMAND. Russia and China consider the two countries as ONE COUNTRY as far as Military Offense and Defense are concerned. The Two Countries are so tied that any attack on Canada or even Canadian Citizens abroad is considered an ATTACK ON THE UNITED STATES....and Vise Versa.

I have been all over Canada and the People are Nice with ONE EXCEPTION...QUEBEC! They have separatists who want a French Based and Styled Country of their own but they still want the same PERKS that being apart of NORAD as well as benefiting from Canadian Natural Resources but without responsibility. I have Canadian Family Members and when we talk about Quebec trying to become it's own Country...these usually very Calm and Nice Canadian Relatives start to FOAM AT THE MOUTH! THEY ARE PISSED OFF! Canadians only get pissed off when the Bruins win the Stanley Cup! LOL!

But I think what Quebec is doing is sheer BIGOTRY and BAD for Canada. The U.S. is comprised of every possible Race, Creed, Color, People from every Country on Earth and we get along and it is a STRENGTH...NOT A WEAKNESS! Quebec is attempting to create a form of...FOR FRENCH SPEAKING AND FRENCH ETHNICS ONLY CLUB! This is what it amounts to...and it is sick!

I say let they be their own Country and cut them off from the Canadian Grid as well as all other U.S./Canadian PERKS they enjoy. Let them build their own Infrastructure that does not count on Money from other parts of Canada and CHARGE THEM for the USE of Natural gas Pipelines and place a Tariff on all Goods coming in and out of Quebec...then we will see how they will survive? Not well...believe me. Split Infinity

If anyone is willing to do the math, how much land mass would the U.S. have if it bought off everything outside of Quebec? And where would that rank the U.S. on a chart of countries by total landmass. Just curious about it.

quit beating the dead horse and just realize it ain't gonna happen. just take a look at 95. history would just repeat itself. sure different culture, language, etc etc. just take it like real hombre. soon there wont be a Canada or an America thanks to the coming north American union being implemented this decade. as i said before SUCK IT UP. sorry for the caps lock.

I say

If the Jews loose to Iran we move them this time to Montreal, you know like a ladder in a ping pong tournament.

Lol sometimes I forget Quebec is even there.

I sincerely hope you guys separate from us. Quebecois are the whiniest mother#ers i have ever seen before, i want you to separate so i can stop hearing your crying.

LOL

People dispute territory in the Middle East there is Bloodshed every day for decades and the world is pushed to the brink of WW3

Canadians have a debate over Territory it is hotly made fun of by 6 other Canadians resulting in 2 pages of posts on One forum and somewhere in Montreal a friendly debate is had over Wine and Cheese

Yeah the West Sucks lol

Will this "new" country have a central bank or a national one?

If a central one then I am sure it will be welcomed. If a national one then it will be a matter of time before it is sanctioned then uprisings will start followed by bombs from a UN lead quilt work of nations. Once overthrown and central bank installed it will be welcomed with open arms.

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Quebec receives billions in equalization payments every year from the rest of the country, if they do decide to leave, don't let the door hit your ass on your way out. Quebec is also a hotbed of corruption, in the construction industry for example. Quebec gets away with a racist agenda against English speaking people in it's province, would limit who can get into politics in Quebec based on being able to speak French. I know many of you on ATS support the kids in Quebec who are protesting their tuition increases, but do you realize they pay the least amount in Canada?


I am sure I am not the only one who won't shed a tear if Quebec leaves. Will be one less leech to deal with.

Originally posted by ExNihilo
... i strongly hope that Québec becomes an independent country based on the fact that we share nothing with Canadians( different language, culture, music, literature, folklore, history etc...

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How easily you (and other seperatists) ignore the third solitude of Canada, as if it doesn't exist. Need you be reminded again of the abundance of aboriginals living in Quebec? How about the Metis and how that blended culture was the foundation upon which Canada was built? Do you really think it's all just the French and the English that came and set down their roots here?

So arrogantly backward and colonial. There's only one thing the seperatists want and that is control of the St. Lawrence Seaway shipping. Too bad it was built by Canadians.

Well, in my time trucking for Cannon Express and running into Ontario and Quebec, I never did really consider Quebec to be Canada any more than the locals seemed to. I'd been up there a few times before someone finally took pity on the American to explain the people absolutely *DO* know English and the whole ignorant act when I'd ask directions or something else of a professional nature was just screwing with people.

Maybe it's changed by even the majority of signs were in French and may..or may NOT have had an English version..So if they do break off, I'm not sure I see the loss. Canada still has open access to the Atlantic and aren't the massive resource fields further to the West in the Central area of the nation?

I'm biased...I admit...but I'd been in B.C., Alberta, Ontario and Quebec in my career and I found the Canadian people to be the warmest and most considerate I'd run across...and beyond anyone I found down here. That was true everywhere EXCEPT Quebec. I say Canada will be better off long term.