*VID* Proof Romney and RNC is a sham causing potential Republican civil war.

It is truly fascinating watching all these Americans barking up the wrong tree, and having limited knowledge of their political system.

For the last time: What if Ron Paul was a democrat and wanted to be the republican candidate and was allowed to be so because the people would vote so? It would be possible to destroy any party.
This is the same thing. Ron Paul differs too much to the rest of the party and has no place there.

So. If the republican party does not suit you. Vote for another party.

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I personally don't think it's about being a sore loser. For me it's more about being played like a fool by the establishment. I wouldnt be surprised if Ron Paul won many states but our media don't like him and therefore will lie about it. There is a new world order out there and it's very real. You will find blind followers in both political parties. One could even name them off. Also, the last person you want to endorse besdes President Obama, is anyone that the Bush family wants as President. Those people drool for the NWO. Old man Bush during the Gulf war said that a new world order could emerge from this like thirteen times in one speech.

So please, before labeling us a sore loser, prove it.

Short memories. The RNC didn't want Romney either. They fought hard to beat him. That's why Gingrich stayed in so long. The problem was that the Republican VOTERS wanted Romney. Mitt won against the wishes of his own party leadership.

Originally posted by intrepid
Short memories. The RNC didn't want Romney either. They fought hard to beat him. That's why Gingrich stayed in so long. The problem was that the Republican VOTERS wanted Romney. Mitt won against the wishes of his own party leadership.

uhh..no...

Romney was already sharing funds with the RNC.

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Sorry, missing your point. The RNC brass weren't pushing for someone either than Romney? Like Gingrich. Huckabee, etc?

A vote for Romney / Ryan is a vote for Satanism and their NWO Agenda.

www.talk2action.org...

The Paul Ryan/Ayn Rand/Satanism Connection Made Simple

Years before House Budget Committee head Paul Ryan was declaring his fealty to Ayn Rand's ideas -- Ryan has credited Rand with inspiring his decision to go into politics, and stated that he gives her books as Christmas presents and requires his congressional staffers to read Rand's novel Atlas Shrugged -- another controversial public figure also enthusiastically credited Ayn Rand's philosophy, which celebrates selfishness and the triumph of the strong over the weak, as a key influence: Church of Satan founder Anton LaVey, who once reportedly quipped, "I give people Ayn Rand, with trappings."

"Ayn Rand, more than anyone else, did a fantastic job of explaining the morality of capitalism, the morality of individualism." --- Congressman Paul Ryan, 2009 official Ryan For Congress video ad.

Mike Wallace: "You are out to destroy almost every edifice of the contemporary American way of life, our Judeo-Christian religion, our modified government regulated capitalism, our rule by majority will. Other reviews have said you scorn churches and the concept of God. Are these accurate criticisms?"

Ayn Rand: "Yes. I am the creator of a new code of morality."
--- Mike Wallace 1959 CBS interview with Ayn Rand

"Objectivism, the philosophy of Ayn Rand, is an acknowledged source for some of the Satanic philosophy as outlined in The Satanic Bible by Anton LaVey... Satanism has far more in common with Objectivism than with any other religion or philosophy. Objectivists endorse reason, selfishness, greed and atheism. Objectivism sees Christianity, Islam and Judaism as anti-human and evil. The writings of Ayn Rand are inspiring and powerful."
--- from the essay Satanism and Objectivism, republished on the website of the Church of Satan

"[T]he reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand. And the fight we are in here, make no mistake about it, is a fight of individualism versus collectivism...

Satanism is the worship of the self, and believe they are their own gods and have no need of anyone.
It is it the Ego personified, separated from God.

Originally posted by Labrynth2012
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You're either a BIRTHER, 911 TRUTHER or RON PAUL fanatic or a LUNATIC on the LEFT FRINGE.
I don't subscribe to this site for revolting information. You either LOVE OBAMA or DON'T.

If YOU don't, I suggest you get on board with the RNC candidate to defeat OBAMA at the polls.
Because Voting for Ron Paul is only going to hurt the RNC's chances of defeating OBAMA. PERIOD !

If you guys want to make a difference, leave the Republican party. They're never going to listen to libertarians; they only make a show of it to try and con you out of your votes. The Republican party is highly authoritarian and against civil rights; has been ever since Nixon drug all the racists into one party.

Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

I have been a huge RP fan for a long time, but recently I have just come to the conclusion that RP is a distraction to keep true patriots busy hoping. Keep us busy with the next big development and now we are a few months away from the election. We have been treated like dirt by the left and the right. We are the true spirit of truth and justice in America and the last thing the handlers of Obama and Romney want is for us to simply stop playing their games.

Stop supporting either party. Stop shopping in their stores. Truly folks, buy locally as much as possible. Yes, it costs a little bit more, but just stop supporting them. Pull out your money from their stocks. Invest in gold and silver, invest locally to build your community. I find that Illuminati card with what looks like Alex Jones and Ron Paul on it quite, well, illuminating. We are being pacified by RP speeches and yet when he is dumped on, disrespected, illegally kept from having his voice heard or votes for him even counted, does he do anything substantive about it? No he doesn't.

This is all smoke and mirrors. At some point, we must stop complying, and start working locally, start being the change we want. We are NOT going to get it playing in their system. They are crooks, liars, thieves who just change the rules. I mean, how much more do you need to see? How many times do you have to get kicked in the groin? At some point, we must say no more, and just stop being their for them.

Divided we sit and complain. United we become peace rambling hippies/commies like OWS! To even try to organized an armed demonstration would mean a long prison sentence, and would most certainly be turned into a bloodbath by those who sought to discredit the organization.

The vote is rigged and real Americans have no voice! Secret police, militarization of local police forces, clear attacks upon civil liberties etc etc etc are all very real in America today.

How does one addressed this peacefully, and if a show of force is needed how does one not get disappeared? Personally friend I don't think Americans have the balls to take the country back! It would take great sacrifice from many, and I think the dumb bastards would rather be alive than free! A handful of folks standing against tyranny would be labeled as terrorists. Make them 100,000 strong, are they still terrorists?

Personally I would just like to see any type of election fraud be answered with a public hanging! I would also like to see the media monopolies come to an end! A free press should mean just that! Truth and public opinion should not be for sale! The news outlets we have today should be split up into a thousand news outlets all of which will be guaranteed equal air time! Collusion to distort the truth or control public opinion should be met with a public hanging! With real leaders in office and a free press we would see America quickly restored! Our system is good just corrupt!

Aggressive war, sudden armed attack, secret police, these must be forever circumvented.
FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT

Originally posted by TitaniumDragon
If you guys want to make a difference, leave the Republican party. They're never going to listen to libertarians; they only make a show of it to try and con you out of your votes. The Republican party is highly authoritarian and against civil rights; has been ever since Nixon drug all the racists into one party.

I just did leave the Republican party. I joined a few months ago, thinking Mitt Romney and Ron Paul was going to be on the ballot in Florida, but they weren't. So, I decided to make a difference and vote out all incumbents, and even managed to get a tea party guy who is young and wears tee shirts and jeans on the ballot in November for a county seat. We don't normally get those type of people winning elections. Maybe the Illuminati is afraid of them. I don't know. Well anyway, I went to being an Independant for two years and plan to go back and do some more damage to the Republicans in 2014. I was raised a Democrat but never a Socialist. I can't stand Republicanism, so I was Non Partisan until this primary, I would become a Libertarian but I like being the swing vote in Presidential elections.

I'm more of an independent and can really give a flying F about the entire republican party and their sheep. But I must say, what the RNC did to Ron Paul and his supporters is an absolute outrage of epic proportions.

Let's get real here right wingers, many of you want to tout the constitution and the intent of the founding fathers like it is gospel. But you know as well as I do that it's all BS. You don't give a crap about the constitution, what you care is a right wing dictatorship whether you want to believe it or not.

You are the same people that our our grandparents fought against in WWII. Yes, you are the modern day Nazi party and you should be ashamed of yourself for not only destroying the American way of life with your corporate, fascist agenda; but you should should hold your head in shame for the suffering you have brought to this world with your corrupt, unethical, and immoral view of life and people.

Originally posted by Elton
Nice video, here is a related story and reaction:

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WIthout getting into my personal politics at all, I found the procedural vote to be shamefully done with the obvious intent to thwart any possibility of a less-than-seamless nomination of Mitt Romney. I would imagine there are a LOT of very angry Ron Paul supporters out there that worked tirelessly to make their case at the convention, only to be suppressed. Not what Democracy looks like...

peace,
AB

I love how the Romney drones (yes, all 5 of them on ATS) haven't report to this thread.

Thank you SeekingAlpha for giving us the clip of the convention . I've been called a sore loser and a conspiracy theorist since the Presidential race began. That clip would have been hard to fake. Impressionist Rich Little wouldn't have been able to pull that one off.

Sounds to me the "no" votes were clearly in the majority. This is fascism plain and simple.

seriously, a civil war ?

well... with the reports of fema camps / military alertness and all those other small things here on ats, could be coming towards a civil war

... hmm, i wonder

Democracy is dead, long live democracy !

Never before have I found the lyrics of a song, more fitting than this instance.

The ultimate in vanity, exploiting their $upremacy
I cant believe the things they say, I cant believe the price we pay!

Nothing can save us -
Justice is lost
Justice is raped
Justice is gone

Pulling their strings, Justice is done.
Seeking NO truth, Winning is all

Find it so grim, so true, so real.....

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I think Romney will do better for the economy and jobs…bottom line.

I am genuinely interested in why you think this? Can you supply ANY evidence that Romney has experience to earn your trust in this. Here are a few points:

A. Romney as governor in MA was so poor in job creation the working population in MA during his term left the state in record numbers. Only Louisiana saw more people leave its state, and that was due to Katrina. MA also ranked 47th in job creation under Romney. Here are some points. The source is Progressive, but the data is cited with links:

1. Ranked 47th in job growth: Despite Romney’s professed expertise in creating jobs, Massachusetts ranked 47th in job growth during his time as governor. The state’s total job growth was just 0.9 percent, well behind other high-wage, high-skill economies in New York (2.7), California (4.7), and North Carolina (7.6). The national average, meanwhile, was better than 5 percent.

2. Suffered the second-largest labor force decline in the nation: Only Louisiana, which was ravaged by Hurricane Katrina in 2005, saw a bigger decline in its labor force than Massachusetts during Romney’s tenure as governor. The US Census Bureau estimated that between July 2002 and July 2006, 222,000 more residents left Massachusetts for other states than came to it. That decline largely explains the state’s decreasing unemployment rate (from 5.6 to 4.7 percent) while Romney was in office, according to Northeastern University economics professor Andrew Sum. At the same time, the nation as a whole added 8 million people to the labor force.

3. Lost 14 percent of its manufacturing jobs: Massachusetts lost 14 percent of its manufacturing jobs during Romney’s time in office, according to Sum. The loss was double the rate that the nation as a whole lost manufacturing jobs. In 2004, Romney vetoed legislation that would have banned companies doing business with the state from outsourcing jobs to other countries.

4. Experienced “below average” economic growth and was “often near the bottom”: “There was not one measure where the state did well under his term in office. We were below average and often near the bottom,” Sum told the Washington Post in February. As a result, the state was more comparable to Rust Belt states like Illinois, Michigan, and Ohio than it was to other high-tech economies it typically competes with.

5. Piled on more debt than any other state: Romney left Massachusetts residents with $10,504 in per capita bond debt, the highest of any state in the nation when he left office in 2007. The state ranked second in debt as a percentage of personal income. Romney regularly omits those statistics from his Massachusetts record, instead touting the fact that he balanced the state’s budget (he was constitutionally required to do so). He wouldn’t be much different as president: his proposed tax plan adds more than $10 trillion to the national debt.

source article

B. Romney also continually says, "government does not create jobs." It is one of those stupid contradictory talking points that no one challenges and the Right wing throngs just parrot. If the government does not create jobs, than why does the Right also constantly lambast Obama for not creating more jobs? If the government does not create jobs, why does the Romney campaign say they will create 12 million new jobs (the EXACT same number, by the way, the CBO says the Obama administration will create in the next four years under current policy? Which is people, does the President create jobs or not? You know at least half the electorate is able to see how stupid this talking point is.

C. Even if you disregard the above, fine, so what KIND of jobs will Romney create? The company he most frequently brags about is Staples. Any of you know anything about Staples? Well, we have them here in the south and I expect you have them around your town. Here is some information on Staples jobs. This information is from Glassdoor. This is a site anyone can go to report how much they made at a company, gives reviews about working there, etc. The site has nothing to do with politics at all.
Glassdoor on Staples



This shows some decent jobs at corporate offices and moderate pay for a store manager and area general manager. But most of the workers get paid peanuts.

So where are the GOOD, living wage jobs that Romney created? Don't tell me about the Steel Mill company; like Staples, Romney did not "create" those jobs, the companies did (no matter the wages). His job was to make money for Bain investors, no matter if the company thrived or went bk.

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You say civil war like it's a bad thing.

People I think it is time to realise that the entire electoral and democratic system can no longer be relied upon. Looking at the past couple decades of presidents we can see that they are different heads of the same dragon. I have come to the conclusion that someone like Ron Paul, someone who was in tune with the people, someone willing to speak up for the real issues will never be allowed to become president. All faith in this democratic system is lost, it is corrupt, it has been proven time and time again that it does not work. Weather its wall street backing, or the MSM media backing the 'chosen' candidates, this system gives only the illussion of choice to the people.

The fact that someone like Ron Paul could not make it to the candidacy despite his support and credentials is evidence of this. Waiting for the next election for a change is to ignore the past and to hope in a miracle. The establishment will never allow real change through conventional means. The real question I think is where do we go from here???...