Ron Paul Won (Great Read) - Huffington Post

Really?!?

What is it with you guyz and Ron Paul?

You do know he's the antichrist don't you? Well if you didn't then I guess I'm letting you in on a little secret.

Ron Paul didn't win #! He never will.

You all need to move on and forget about that old fool.

Face reality folks the man is never going to be president. Just out of curiosity who do you think his running mate would be Santa Claus or The Easter Bunny?

reply to post by RedmoonMWC


100% correct. I, myself, am a very strict Constitutionalist. So I did indeed like many of the things Ron Paul had to say. But I could not back him because I knew that, as President, he would not have the political power to pull off any of his plans. Both sides would have fought him tooth and nail every step of the way.

At this point, it is going to take an absolute miracle in order to find someone that can manipulate Congress and do so for the good of the country and not just themselves. The majority of the people that have ran for the presidency have done so for little more than to hold the office as a capstone to a political career or to be in the history books.

W was most fortunate that nothing followed up 9/11 in a series of attacks. In fact, I doubt there was a president in the whole of the 20th century that could have handled anything as divisive as the Civil War. Even FDR nearly blew it with the Great Depression. Between the Fireside Chats and entering WWII (as means to employ and/or remove the terminally unemployed and invigorate manufacturing) the US would have tanked under his Alphabet Soup of temporary measures. The one of which that did end was the CCC.

Before everyone starts screaming at me for using Wikipedia as a source, it was the simplest layout of the information that I could find.

Senate seats up for election in 2012, there are 21 Democrats, 10 Republicans and 2 Independents.

Here is a list.

en.wikipedia.org...

The 2012 United States House of Representatives elections will be held for all 435 seats, representing the 50 U.S. states. Elections will also be held for the delegates from the District of Columbia and five major U.S. territories.

en.wikipedia.org...

Thirty-nine incumbents are retiring. Twenty-one Democrats and Eighteen Republicans

I especially like this:
Texas Ron Paul Republican Retiring to run for U.S. President

Write Him In, as I think this will be the last time he tries for the Presidency.

reply to post by woodwardjnr


Because Paul does not give an inch not a damn inch.

Originally posted by ollncasino
reply to post by freakjive

 

Its a wonder that Ron Paul hasn't had an accident yet.

The older I become, the more that I suspect that democracy in the West is just smoke and mirrors.

Democracy is just what people need to believe in order to submit peaceably to tyranny.

This was the great discovery that produced the American Nation. People get to place votes to feel they are choosing, while absolute rule goes on behind the scenes. Secret tyranny is unshakable power, because few people believe it exists, and those who believe can't prove anything, and the few that can show proof are too scared or are already dead anyway. Famous "Ron Brown" words "If I go down I'm taking everyone else with me", just before he apparently went down in a plane crash in Serbia.

Originally posted by ollncasino
reply to post by freakjive

 

Its a wonder that Ron Paul hasn't had an accident yet.

The older I become, the more that I suspect that democracy in the West is just smoke and mirrors.

the powers that were are no longer allowed to kill righteous humans...


the more light you shine the more protection you will recieve, i know this is true


yes democracy is smoke and mirrors, more like propaganda and lies..




ron paul or bust for me

reply to post by freakjive


It's all about maintaining 'stability' as it is known in this modern day - which if you think about it, is not only a house of cards, it's generally a load of horse crap to deny logic, let alone the people who actually understand the systems, and systemic flaws that have been around, or are now in place. The phrase "Don't fix it if it's not broken" does not apply here, because the valuing of that threshold, that definition of 'broken' is about as scary as you can fathom, to many of the ones who are sitting pretty. In fact, as many of us know, the mind sets of some of the leading influential persons in this world, would leave a sickening, bitter taste by anyone's tongue...

Many of them just do not care about you, I, or the future of this planet, and will in fact commit atrocious acts of amorality just to maintain their place, their company's profit margin, to increase either one of the two, or to assert some other form of 'control' often at the cost of others.

Apparently, even the People don't want to really care. Many of the People who are getting shafted and don't even know it, despite those of us screaming at them until we're blue in the face. They just want to "work", and be mindlessly entertained by short term thrills that offer little in the way of long term wisdom to help one's judgments of what may be good/bad for themselves, their family, humanity's future.

Do you truly trust your child's future in the hands of "country operators" who are criminals, murders, thieves, and cowards? HONESTLY. Their decisions, their efforts, could lead to a war that is sought for economic reasons. That war, your child could be in that war.

Ringing any loud bells in the ears?

But a choice is a choice, and responsibility is responsibility. I just hope everyone is absolutely certain that the choices they are making and have made, include the intention of doing right by humanity, and the future of our species, along with this planet and its inhabitants. Clearly, these are things that are some of the the last on most people's minds, or are some of the far less important things.

If you consider that, it leaves one to wonder: If we can't fend for each other, for our planet, if we cannot feel for our fellow man, and woman; if we cannot find some form of honor and purity within the very image, the very presence of fellow human beings, then what are we to do, but succumb to our darkest fate that is self-destruction?

reply to post by woodwardjnr


Sadly I think he conceded so his son Rand could peruse his political career. If Ron were to run third party and Mittens lost, the entire GOP establishment would blame the Paul camp for four more years of O'bomb'em, and Rand would be run right out of D.C. Unfortunately Rand is not the man his father is, as seen by his endorsement of Mittens, and his camp foolishly believes they can change the system from the inside, when it's really the system that is changing them. Long live the Ron Paul revolution. He has done more to aide the cause of freedom than any other politician in recent history. Hopefully there's someone else who is willing to carry the torch.

What is all this crap with "america is a democracy" It never was nor was it intended it to be! Jesus Christ I hear this # in college for #s sake! In college I hear this! Now I can truly understand why this country is only 1st in something. Incarceration rates.

If Ron Paul got the Presidency and gained political traction his political views would lead to economic rebalancing
which inevitably would purge malinvestment resulting in increasing unemployment as govt largess and other inappropriate investment is eliminated.

The political repercussion would most likely be Ron Paul being demonized and Libertarian Constitutional politics
being consigned to ancient history.

Right now we can acknowledge both parties are status quo and the ' can kicking' will continue. If this Govt intervention continues indefinitely until 'real' growth is found then the majority middle type voters will be happy but if the rebalancing is forced because of the deteriorating economy this status quo political narative will be discarded and we will get a Ron Paul type.

Obviously the danger is that the State with its' favourites will maintain their power via more and more draconian methods, which ultimately leads to an inefficient economy and eventual societal implosion after the majority are slavishly impoverished.

Economically i think we are going to find out whether there is or not a 'free lunch'.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


I used to have that as my signature Although I'm from Canada, I do follow American politics because what ever starts in the US ends up here anyway. I am puilling for Ron Paul. It would be great for both our countries ife were to get into office.

reply to post by Kang69


Alas you are correct. Few understand the difference between a Constitutional Republic and a Democracy.

In general response to this thread I've asked people, when I feel comfortable doing so, why they won't vote for Ron Paul when they like him better than Mitt. The overwhelming response is that they're so afraid of what 4 more years of Obamas fiscal policy and nonexistant foreign policy will do to this country, they don't want to take votes away from the candidate they believe has the best chance of winning.

Originally posted by cavalryscout

Just out of curiosity who do you think his running mate would be Santa Claus or The Easter Bunny?

DUh...Arnold "Terminator" Swarzenegger...Then he can disband the Secret Service and save us even MORE money...Built in protection...

Sounds like damage control from the Huffpost

Write an inspiring and positive article about the "future of the movement" and all the sudden everybody moves that way. Instead of "GOP is corrupt and here's why".. Useful stuff, Y'know.

The message is: "We lost but we won.. cause we can't control old stupid people.. so lets continue that way and NOT challenge the corruption cause we can't do anything about it".

Originally posted by antonia

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
Sorry I'm an outsider, so forgive my ignorance, but why didn't Ron Paul run as an Independent. There is clearly a demand in America for a 3rd party, but RP ran under the Republican banner. Surely he must of known he could never take on the GOP establishment and gain the nomination. He did however, manage to get a lot of independents who would not normally join the Republicans to join up just to back his cause. So I wonder who really won here.

Ron's son is still in the GOP. I do not think he was willing to create a vote splitting situation due to this.

As to the meat of the topic, Libertarians need to drop their illusions about the GOP. You are not going to take over. I remember when this all started I stated this is exactly what would happen. I got flamed again and again, but who was right? You need to split the vote, only then will they pay attention to you.

So you are saying Ron cares more about keeping his son's position stable within a corrupt party than the good of the american people? Not going third party, Ron has given hope to a splintered, moribund GOP and falsely convinced the more rational side that there is still good within their own ranks. Ron knew he would not win and is fully aware of what was going to happen since day one. Let's face it, he is old and near the end of his career. Something else is a foot and it directly involves his son.

Rand is as corporate as they come and endorsed his ilk, Romney, over his aging father while still retaining a strong backing, due to his last name, by the "R3VOLutionaries".

Also, as a poster before me stated, this "Freedom" movement is bound to be hijacked and taken over just like the Tea Party was. Rand Paul is the GOP's hidden ace. He is currently being propped up to be the next Palin. The same old Republican party will be reinvigorated by Rand and the many fools who still trust him.

For a conspiracy theory forum, it pains me to see how few recognize how the political chess pieces are being moved.

Expect the hijacking of your precious movement, it has happened before and will happen again.

This Ron Paul nonesense has been a calculated move by the GOP. Their splintered, dying party did it before with the Tea Party which was a successful test run. This upcoming hijacking is a bigger one and will breathe more years of life into the rotting carcass that is the right-wing, conservative party.

The stakes are high in the highest spheres of government. Do you seriously believe calculated planning such as these takeovers are not realistic? It would boggle the mind if their political planners didn't set them in motion in the first place!

reply to post by woodwardjnr


Hello Woodwardjnr,

I see you are in Europe. American politics specifically the presidential election can be hard to sort out from a distance. News accounts report a point of view with few background details.

The election of the President takes place after the general election. Each of the fifty States has a delegation to the Electoral College. The size of each delegation varies greatly with population, but each delegation is expected to vote 100% for the winner in the general election from their home state.

With three or more people in the race for President there is a good chance the most popular choice will not win the required majority in the electorial college. By default the choice is left up to the Congress and the the winner is a suprise to the electorate and lots of folks are unhappy.

The first time this happened Andrew Jackson had the most electoral votes but not a majority and John Q Adams became President. The last time it happened the 41st President G Bush going for a 2nd term was blocked by the efforts of Ross Perot, a third party effort that put Bill Clinton in office.

Ron Paul is a great American and 10% of the electorate agree with everything he says. The Republican party is closer to his position on several issues and the best he can do is to try to work for progress on his proposals within the Republican party.

With few exceptions, the political parties can make the rules for each convention and change them to suit their purpose almost daily. Our government makes rules as to who can vote in a general election. The parties can make their own rules as to who may vote in a primary to determine who appears on a ballot. For the most part the same people control both functions and go to great effort to obfuscate the differences in their dual roles.

In the recent primary for the Republicans in the State of Texas Ron Paul supporters were encouraged to attend the first round of caucuses and greeted warmly. All were selected to attend the next round at district level representing their precinct. The details of this appointment included the election law provision that the person was now precluded from active support of any other organization or independent candidate for the duration of the election cycle. This rule was announced by the election commissioner an actual elected government official
acting in his official capacity requiring a written oath from each registered district delegate. So you see the main stream Republicans invited all the Ron Paul supporters to attend the conventions to block them from even considering a third party run.

Originally posted by fourthmeal
reply to post by woodwardjnr

 

Because 3rd parties are ignored completely by media, and thus trivialized to the point of a total waste of time.


This is a 2 party system, and until radical changes in the society come about (the realization that there are more than 2 choices would be a start), then we are stuck. But I think things are changing, at least in about 10% of us.

+1 I have been saying this for many years but the illuminati inertia of satanic globalisation is too much to overcome for democrats and republicans. You would be amazed at how messed up the world is if you have been here for a longer period and done as much research as I have.

The two party system, while terribly pronounced in america, is not unique to the world. As an american living in europe I can tell you there are 3 or 4 parties that collect 20 to 30 percent of the total vote. In america all the small parties combined average 1 or 2 percent max.

Everything is fixed at bohemian groove and the bilderberger meetings. Both are annual and extremely secret!

Less than 1% of the global population controls more than 99% of the global population. This is why I intend on voting SPUSA from now on. The democrats can kiss my ass!

Ron Paul did not win.

This is the kind of commentary you expect from sore losers.

Its like what adults say to little kids when they loose a game football. Its just to try and stop them sobbing.
Did you those guys at the convention sobbing and crying like babies.

This story is to comfort those poor guys. Its to try and help them cope. Grown men sobbing and crying at a political convention because their guy got squashed like a little bug.

reply to post by cornucopia

"the powers that were are no longer allowed to kill righteous humans... the more light you shine the more protection you will recieve, i know this is true"

I'd like to quote something in support of this incredible statement you have made:

Mark 13:20 For unless YaHuWaH The Master shortens those days, no flesh will be saved. Yet for the sake of The Restoration of The Covenant-Family of YA (AbrAHUW - CAHal, AHlenic - EkklesiYA “the Called Out Ones of YA), whom He has called, He will lessen the persecution of those days.

reply to post by freakjive


I fail to see why this is on Above Top Secret.com - A website designed for conspiracy theories