Ayn Rand The Whore of Babylon - Mitt Romney The False Prophet - Paul Ryan The Antichrist?

Originally posted by filosophia
The welfare argument is used against ron paul

some no name news anchor: hey ron paul, you accept social security, you're a hypocrite, right?

Rp: no, that is my money I paid in through forced taxation

Some guy: but, you don't like welfare...

Rp: but it's my money...

Some guy:....

Rp: I also pay more in NOW to ss than I get back.

Some guy: okay, now time for a commercial break.

That arguement is compelling and i've heard the "welfare" bs propaganda a few times now.
These people will keep stealing until their hand gets pinched when the cookie jar slams shut.
Millions of people in western countries have been stolen from and some are actively cheerleading it and crying that we haven't pillaged enough! We should just use those pension funds! Oh wait..
Do we even have those? AFAIK SS money goes straight into gov't coffers. I even heard a rumor they actively make investments with our money. Not sure if thats true for canada, but i'd love to know!

reply to post by olaru12


So you want us to pay into welfare, but not get it back? Wow, I thought it was theft before when we at least get it back, devalued, fifty years afterwards. But you take public taxation to a whole new level. So if I criticize social security, I don't get MY money back? And yet, criticizing social security is not enough for me to opt out sadly...if only it were that easy.

Originally posted by filosophia
reply to post by olaru12

 

So you want us to pay into welfare, but not get it back? Wow, I thought it was theft before when we at least get it back, devalued, fifty years afterwards. But you take public taxation to a whole new level. So if I criticize social security, I don't get MY money back?

And yet, criticizing social security is not enough for me to opt out sadly...if only it were that easy.

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said that social security is a program working like it should. I invest [stocks/gold/silver] in my own welfare and actually take "personal responsibility" unlike your goddess Ayn.

Perhaps if you would follow my lead and do some of your own investing you could quit whining and man up. I don't rely on the nanny state.

reply to post by olaru12


Now you are putting words into my mouth as I never called her a goddess.


I can like someone but not view them as a god or goddess. If you can't, then maybe you are the religious zealot.

Originally posted by filosophia
The welfare argument is used against ron paul

some no name news anchor: hey ron paul, you accept social security, you're a hypocrite, right?

Ron Paul? He was a big time fan of Ayn Rand. You know, the Austrian School is just bunk economics, not as bad as Keynesian nonsense, but bad enough.
thebeerbarrel.net...

Ron Paul wants to Audit The Fed. Again. The first time didn't accomplish anything, so what's the point of doing it again? Dennis Kucinich's HR 2990 would effectively END The Fed. Why don't Ron Paul just team up with Kucinich? Sounds like a better plan than all the blind Paul worship I'm hearing. BTW, Ayn Rand used to worship a serial killer that used to like cutting up little girls into pieces. Sounds a lot like Paul's welfare cuts

To celebrate today’s announcement that Ayn Rand fanboy Paul Ryan will in a few months’ time be a heartbeat from the presidency—and to honor this special moment, marking the final syphilitic pus-spasms of America’s decline and fall–we are reposting for your edification Mark Ames’ 2010 article about the man behind the Rand: Ayn Rand’s unrequited adoration of a notorious serial killer, William Edward Hickman. Yes, Vice President-to-be Paul Ryan owes his entire “moral” worldview to a lowly groupie of serial killers, a 1920′s prototype of today’s “Joker” wannabees. Yes folks, in a few months’ time Americans will finally be able to stand up and declare: “We are all serial-killer groupies now.”

www.nakedcapitalism.com...# Irz1jCxJjYpBMCOF.99

Originally posted by filosophia
reply to post by JBA2848

 

Except most people, like Ron Paul and Paul Ryan, have both stated they do not believe in objectionism. Yet you can still appreciate her works of fiction without believing in her philosophy. So she is a fictional writer first, philosopher a distant second. In fact almost no one believes in her objectionism.

Atlas Shrugged is a good story, entertaining, provocative

It was also highly prophetic for predicting the trend of socialism in the 1950's.
It features a strong lead female character, which contrasts with her other work the fountainhead, something liberals SHOULD appreciate. She is also Jewish, so how do liberals have so much hatred for a jewish female writer whose characters embody uber feminism? Maybe that is just it, she teaches women to be a bit too independent.

She was Russian Jew just like Orly Taitz. More Russian than anything considering she was atheist. And the same people who believe in her also hate Russia and call them Communist. But when you hold fictional stories as gospel its par for the course.

reply to post by JBA2848


It goes without saying that you shouldnt take any fictional story as truth.

I simply like to read atlas shrugged. It is a great story, great storytelling. The first movie was also good, not anywhere near the book, but maybe will get new people interested in her work. Some people are drawn to her, no one I know worships her (thats silly), and of course some people greatly oppose her. 'Ayn Rand, the whore of babylon' this thread title, case in point.

Originally posted by filosophia
reply to post by JBA2848

 

It goes without saying that you shouldnt take any fictional story as truth.

I simply like to read atlas shrugged. It is a great story, great storytelling. The first movie was also good, not anywhere near the book, but maybe will get new people interested in her work. Some people are drawn to her, no one I know worships her (thats silly), and of course some people greatly oppose her. 'Ayn Rand, the whore of babylon' this thread title, case in point.

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What is not accurate about the title?

Do you know the concept/archetype of babylon?

I think the thread is pretty interesting.,,.,. because,, its as if those in power can justify any of their actions with the whored out philosophy of ayn rand,,,.,., and because she backed the economic system that does exist,, and because anyone can read her book and become self empowered,, her philosophy has run rampant on the world.,, I dont think theres anything wrong with a lot of what she said and she was a very smart and strong and powerful woman,,, but I would say her philosophy ( like all i guess) was incomplete and ( like all i guess) lacking.,..
If you were to compare and contrast ayn rands ideas with those of jesus,, you would find hers are anti of christs,..,

reply to post by tvtexan


i was gonna say the exact same thing Obama/Biden/Hillary the unholy trinity

maybe it would have to be an unholy trinity cubed

Firstly, to the poster that said they don't "like" what I posted; reality doesn't ask you what your preference is. It simply is what it is. It requires humility to pay attention and accept the truth. I understand how you feel, but if you ever decide to follow God then you will not only no longer dislike this understanding about prophecy but you will actually be comforted by it.

As for the poster who claimed to not know the Sabbath, the Sabbath is easily discerned. I am a little bit angry that you are so lazy as to not even look it up. EVERYONE has access to a search engine. But I will attempt to have patience with you and give you a little information (and if you don't believe me, then ask any spanish speaking person - considering their word for Sabbath, "Sabado" is also the name of the day on their calendar which IS the Sabbath)

The Sabbath day is Friday night sundown until Saturday night sundown. Rome made the days change at "midnight". The Lord made the day change at sundown. It is obvious because the universe was first in darkness before it was given light. "and the evening and the morning were the first day."

For all the self-proclaimed so-called Christians that regurgitate what their false teachers have been proclaiming, that the Sabbath is a jewish day and therefore that commandment is a jewish law and it was done away with when Jesus Christ died (who IS also risen), you are wrong. Stop repeating what the wolves in sheep clothing say for your tithes and your monies and for the respect their earn from their mother church in Rome; true Christians were NEVER told to celebrate Sunday in memorial for the day that Jesus Christ rose - EVER. In fact, Christians have been explicitly warned multiple times to REMEMBER the Sabbath; to turn their feet from their own works. Again, remember how when Christ walked the earth during the time written in the gospels; did the Pharisees not attack the Lord for healing on the Sabbath and for that man picking his bed up on the Sabbath? Did Jesus Christ say, "the Lord's day will soon be the first day of the week?" NO. He explained in better detail how to keep the Sabbath - exposing them that they would pull out one of their sheep from a hole if it fell on the Sabbath day - then how much more justified is the Creator of the Sabbath in healing His sheep and pulling them out of their hole? He said, "therefore it is lawful to do well on the Sabbath." Did He change it? No.

As well, if you still think you are right, then I ask you to consider this - out of the 10 commandments, which other ones were also done away with when Jesus Christ died? Hmm.. I mean, are we allowed to have other gods now? Are we allowed to murder? Adultery? Coveting? Lying? Stealing? Disobedience? Vanity? Which? So you say that now we have only 9 commandments to live by? How strange. I have never heard of this doctrine. Ever.

Read Hebrews chapter 2 and 3. Read Isaiah 58. Do your research on Revelations. You will find that John the Revelator was in the Spirit ON THE LORD'S DAY. The Lord's Day is the Sabbath day - NOT Sunday as the catholic church would have you think. Now; why is it that we are given a Revelation of the future, by John the Revelator (whom many suppose this Revelation was actually written possibility about 70 years after Jesus Christ ascended - which is strange - 70 years and people still followed the Sabbath? And yet the Holy Spirit was given to Him? Are you seeing the pattern yet?); we are given a revelation of the future by one who was mindful and faithful to remember the Sabbath; which, as it is written, "The Sabbath day was made for man; not man for the Sabbath." So, for those who DO Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy, do not be too legalistic about it. Do not cause a stumbling block and be so harsh about it. But at the same time, do your best not to perform selfish works on the Sabbath.

We are also instructed by Paul to attend to our personal business on the day after the Sabbath. The day after the Sabbath is the first day of the week - our Sunday. If we are attending to our personal business, then how can we go to church and claim to worship on this day (as if there was only one day upon which we should worship...).

Also, in response to the same poster, no, all the people who are going to church on sunday right now are not going to Hell. That is not what is meant.

WHEN the mark is enforced, that is when the choice will be made.

God's people are still littered through-out all the churches and some are still atheist right now. There are a few left of the elect still. Their hearts yearn for Him, but they don't understand Him yet because they are hindered by the attitudes and false teachings of all the millions, maybe billions, of self-proclaimed Christians interfering with the Lord's true message.

God's children will be sealed. We will know each other. There will be no debate.

So, then, you should have a clear picture of the end.

Don't actually know much on the topic in question, however it is because of Ayn Rand's work we have this:



that alone if nothing else makes her ok in my book

as for mitt romney and paul ryan, CURRENTLY NOT MY PROBLEM!

Love, Light, and all that crap....

Rand clearly fits as a possible Whore of Babylon. She was a disturbed psychotic, a true sociopath, drug addict, and Satanist. Her "philosophy" (basically that serial killers should run society) is now taken as some sort of disturbing gospel by millions of sociopaths that worship and admire her.

This is as far as I got OP. Unfortunately it's just not a true depiction of her or her books and anyone with as much as a cursory glance will know that you have taken it upon yourself to cast your evil on what you personally hate.

Your personal hatred for this author does not change her into the devil no matter how much you might wish it were so. I'm sorry but things don't work that way.

I suppose that the whole thread reads this way. You will continue to muck in the mire of filth in order to paint some kind of picture, which invariably doesn't hold back your filthy habits. I'm sure you felt vindicated after you stopped writing, but you did indeed leave a trail of filth.

For those who don't know about Ayn Rand, she makes corporations look good. She see's productivity as something which should be rewarded with wealth, rather than equality based on corrupt political interference. Atlas Shrugged is not such a nice book insomuch as she has no concerns for the unfortunate, but it rings a chord with those who believe that you should earn what you get and not expect something for nothing.

Hardly satanic

Ayn Rand was definitely evil, who admires a serial killer because he felt no emotions for others? Last time I checked being a sociopath was an awful thing, Ayn encouraged it.

reply to post by TarzanBeta


so you admonish the OP for their theory of the unholy-trinity of the Book of Revelations, saying only God knows the truth of Prophecy, and then you go on to espouse your very own theories... condemning a whole religious institution (catholicism) in the very process.

this is what i find laughable about those who most fervently profess their particular view of Christianity... they seem to think that God instructed only them in His divine truths. this Delusion of Grandeur is echoed in each varying sect, as each denomination of Christianity thinks they have it all figured out... even to the point of calling all others (including other christian sects) as some form of heretic of another.

your self-righteous indignation at the OPs theory testifies to this.


it is the greatest of "sins" that the children of Abraham believe that they are the Only Chosen children of God. and this "sin"...this cultural mental illness, manifests like a virus in all 3 Abrahamic religions. each splinter sect thinking they are the only ones who hold the truth.

it would be comical, if these zealots would leave the rest of us alone. alas, they seem intent on tearing down the rest of the world as they work out their petty family feuds and delusions.




PS as a Wiccan Minister, i also take offense to you naming Pagan religions as evil. the only evil we may do is the needless suffering we cause upon others.


PSS i find the OPs theory interesting. if prophecy is allegory, and none but God know its truth, then i think a staunch Capitalist fits the bill as a Whore of Babylon.

this theory i find just as interesting as your own, which certainly makes a degree of sense as well... (the flexibility of numerology is fun, isn't it)... though i have heard that Nero was the Beast, but that's just a theory as well.

my theory is that it was Constantine.

reply to post by Red Cloak


Ya you got a good point. Now he's gonna come n chip your azz.

Rand philosophy (and most other conservative ideals on economic principles) is late 18th, to early 20th century mindsets, pre-globalization pre-mega corporation.

Back in the day where the local millionaire would hire locally to make his widgets to sell, thereby having the actual economy benefit, the rich man on the hill has been replaced by the corporate investor that sends all the money and work offshore to slave nations..this is not the model that can support conservative deregulation and trickle down nonsense anymore.

Now..

If we institute a pure conservative style deregulation of commerce, along with remove social programs, then the end result is mass poverty, extreme homelessness of elders, massive job loss, wealth disparity, and finally a bloody revolution followed by a extreme shift in the opposite direction towards near communism, a full dismantling of the class structure. This is actually the positive result of conservative economics run wild.

A wise man will see the need for social structure and capitalistic desires mixed to proper degrees to elevate the whole society verses just a few people.

There is not a lot of wisdom today however in the west...not when corporatist short sighted fools own the minds (media) of the slaves (working class).

Originally posted by truejew
Ayn Rand is not the whore of Babylon. The nation of Israel is.

No, the Catholic church is.

I've always got a very Anti-Christ vibe from Paul Ryan.

reply to post by TarzanBeta

I am British living in Spain and the thought had gone through my head that sabado could have been the sabbath but then why would the Jews and Muslims have Friday as the sabbath , As for researching on line what sites are you supposed to trust to get the real truth,

Revelation 13:
The Beast out of the Earth

11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man.[e] That number is 666.

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Revelation 14:9
9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10 they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.” 12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.

The punishment for receiving the mark and worshiping the beast sounds like hell to me ,I am still hoping the mark of the beast is not about the sabbath and is a micro chip as i will give my life not have the chip.

god so by your standards every rightwing individual is the antichrist lol

didnt know prophecy was done by political affiliation