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Originally posted by Flighty
but you dont have a right to force another human being against her will to bring the child to term.
Yeah but no woman has the right to force fatherhood on a man who doesn't want to be a father either.
Originally posted by CynicalDrivel
reply to post by SearchLightsInc
*nipped in the bud. Although nipping in the butt would be funny.
If you don't want to give your body as a part of your contract, then don't get married. Problem is, people forget what marriage is about.
Originally posted by Myendica
reply to post by SearchLightsInc
i never got a say in my circumcision. And I never tried to force a woman to do anything. But it seems only womens opinions matter..
Originally posted by Flighty
reply to post by SearchLightsInc
So the way it stands is men don't have any control over their sperm after ejaculation and are at the whims of the female if a pregnancy results. A woman decides if a man becomes a father or not. And yet, women want control of IF and WHEN they becomes Mothers.
I think either both have a say for self determination or NEITHER of them do.
Didn't mean this comment at you directly but just putting it out there generally.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's been going on for decades for now and still nothing is being done to rectify the inequality so we can all move forward more enlightened.
Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
Originally posted by Myendica
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
ha.. Cause all isms are bad. Feminism.. Racism. Is there even such a thing as "malism?". Im not saying a women cant have an abortion, but the op is on awitch hunt to prove she can keep here ego intact with such one sided view ism.
My mission is to preserve a woman's rights to control over her own body. Its not a witch hunt. You know how most men feel about having people take a flap of skin off their penis, well guess what? Women have a problem with men trying to own and command their reproductive organs.
I wish there was never rape, and I wish there was never abortion. But.. I cant stop them. I can only try and tell them to mke conscious and well thought out decisions.. Which for some reason makes people upset when they have to think of others before making decisions.
A rational woman will consider her partner's feelings, but if she decides she doesn't want to have a child a man has no right to dictate differently. You cant force her to bare children. Move along, find a woman that does.
Originally posted by IntoxicatingMadness
So basically. Your whole arguement states that only the woman can determine whether the future entity may live or die.
I'm sorry but a choice like that shouldn't even be made by the parents but since it's not like we can ask the unborn fetus, the next best thing would be too have both parents decide.
I really don't know what to say other than no one has the right other another person. Neither woman or man should decide this.
well thats not the way it is. If it were a perfect world, all aborted children would be raised surogately. Like I said, im not for abortion, but I understand theres circumstances that arise. So im not against it. But there are women who have had multiple abortions, and that should be a crime.
Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
Originally posted by Myendica
reply to post by SearchLightsInc
i never got a say in my circumcision. And I never tried to force a woman to do anything. But it seems only womens opinions matter..
Man should have a say about their foreskin, Women should have a say about carrying a baby in their bodies for 9 months. That's how i feel.
Originally posted by Jepic
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by Jepic
Originally posted by Jepic
Both parties should only have sex if they have accepted the fact that there is a risk that she will get pregnant and also accepted the fact that they have to take accountability if the worst case scenario arises out of casual sex.
That's a great personal standard for you to set for yourself and any woman you have sex with. But it simply cannot be forced or her or on society. When you have sex with a woman, and your sperm goes into HER body, you are, in essence, GIVING UP your right to what happens for the next 9 months. You have to know that. Make your decisions accordingly.
So basically your ideology is as follows.
1. Both partners decided to have sex with a risk that there is going to be a pregancy. But if there is a pregnancy, it's enitrely the man's fault.
2. And she decides what happens with the baby.
Bottom line. He is responsible for impregnating her. She is not. For a bonus she gets to have the last say on what happens to the baby.
Well are we living in a world of chocolate and roses, are we...
Originally posted by HamrHeed
We DESERVE equal rights. Why are progressives so adamant that men, of a certain persuasion don't need rights?
Originally posted by Endorra
Originally posted by Jepic
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by Jepic
Originally posted by Jepic
Both parties should only have sex if they have accepted the fact that there is a risk that she will get pregnant and also accepted the fact that they have to take accountability if the worst case scenario arises out of casual sex.
That's a great personal standard for you to set for yourself and any woman you have sex with. But it simply cannot be forced or her or on society. When you have sex with a woman, and your sperm goes into HER body, you are, in essence, GIVING UP your right to what happens for the next 9 months. You have to know that. Make your decisions accordingly.
So basically your ideology is as follows.
1. Both partners decided to have sex with a risk that there is going to be a pregancy. But if there is a pregnancy, it's enitrely the man's fault.
2. And she decides what happens with the baby.
Bottom line. He is responsible for impregnating her. She is not. For a bonus she gets to have the last say on what happens to the baby.
Well are we living in a world of chocolate and roses, are we...
Who said both partners decided to have sex?
Originally posted by Flighty
reply to post by SearchLightsInc
So the way it stands is men don't have any control over their sperm after ejaculation and are at the whims of the female if a pregnancy results. A woman decides if a man becomes a father or not. And yet, women want control of IF and WHEN they becomes Mothers.
I think either both have a say for self determination or NEITHER of them do.
Didn't mean this comment at you directly but just putting it out there generally.
Something really needs to be done about this. It's been going on for decades for now and still nothing is being done to rectify the inequality so we can all move forward more enlightened.
Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
I cant understand what it would be like to be kicked in the testicles, a man cannot fully understand what its like to be pregnant. Its not his body therefore its not his decision. His opinion and feelings mean alot, but they are not the most factor and neither are they the decision maker.
Originally posted by Jepic
Originally posted by Flighty
but you dont have a right to force another human being against her will to bring the child to term.
Yeah but no woman has the right to force fatherhood on a man who doesn't want to be a father either.
Heeeey! Well you know what? It's all good. I'm going to start having sex with as many women as I can and I don't even have to take responsibility for the child if she has one.
No. That is not the way either. That is also unfair. Both male and female have to take responsibility.