Gun Ownership should they be a restriction or ban on semi or full auto weapons

reply to post by SrWingCommander


Hey I'm one of the few Californians that actually grew up shooting. And I live in Los Angeles capital of california's hypocrisy. But yeah it generally true. Teach a man to shoot and he's a happy camper. Even euros. THey are tacitly fascinated with guns. Its in all of their media. THey see it across the pond. So all of this you people are crazy for owning guns is, to me, not much different than a adolescent boy who's beginning to become interested in girls going around claiming that all girls are gross and have cooties. Well he's gotta do what he's gotta do to get the conversation going about something he's secretly interested in...girls. SO all this euro gun talk sorta reminds me of the same behavior.

Also ever taken a girl out shooting. They are generally nervous and shaky when first handed a live gun. But I tell you its worth it after you see the look on their face change after they've pulled the trigger for the first time. IT goes from trepidation and fear to instant exhilaration and empowerment. Trust me most girls love shooting after they've tried it.

It all really comes down to getting over their fear of the gun.

I think the europeans are forgetting that the usa needs another revolution. Hows it gona happen?
Eu needs to revolt too...

Ok, this is my 2 cents and I know I'll get backlash but I'm going to say it anyways...
The US is a land-locked country, even if all guns were outlawed (which is Unconstitutional) criminals would still be able to get a hold of them through Illegal trafficking, whether from over the border or other illegal means. Most Americans consider our firearms as a defense against Tyranny and personal harm. The majority of Americans that legally purchase firearms have no intention of using them against another person whereas a person who purchases them illegally has every intention of using them against another person. Consider, for instance, the Aurora shooting: if a patron in the theater would've had a licensed concealed weapon the amount of casualties would has been much less.
There is a large difference between criminals with guns and citizens with guns.
I, personally, don't wish to ever have to use a gun against another person but I am glad I have one. As to the difference between Semi-Auto and Fully-Auto weapons; A trained gun owner with a Semi can do just as much damage as an untrained handler of a Full-auto weapon (there's a reason the armed forces tend to use semi or burst fire weapons).
Also, Americans aren't afraid of the British anymore, nor are guns the only weapon Man has available. Throughout the ages society has been judged by the weapons they can produce (stone age, bronze age, steel age, etc.). The point is, if somebody wants to cause harm they will find a way to do so, if a person wants to defend themselves and others from harm a gun is a handy last-choice.

reply to post by radarloveguy

With out reading on and on through all the crap, all I know is I saved my families life with a semiautomatic riot shot gun when a crack head tried to break into my house 4:30 in the morning I warned him , came at me with a knife. I shot to disable first and secod shot, aimed at his legs, that was enough for him. Lucky for him the third rould was a slug, a kill shot! That is all I have say!

Gotta agree with you there is a massive difference between civilians who own guns and criminals who possess guns. Only one beef with your post. We're not a landlocked country. We've got 12,383 miles of coastline. Other than that I agree with your post.

reply to post by nighthawk1954


Dude that would have been one hell of a mess to clean up if you had tagged him with that slug. Having shot slugs into watermelons, boulders, sheet metal, etc... I can agree that nobody wants to ever get hit with a slug.

I believe that MythBusters did an episode once on different rifle rounds. The shotgun 12 gauge deer slug out performed the .50 call rifle at close range as far as destructiveness was concerned.

Originally posted by gavlar1974
Im uk citizen and i own nothing more than a high powered Airgun.Yes because in UK you have to go to a head shrink just for .22 rifle.Me personally i just think i could defend my house from a robber with it no need for gun ownership in any country we have to think of our kids and famlies across the world.Time for a worldwide ban and arms destruction.Yeah fat chance of that happening but in UK its happened. And yeah we have an underground trade and blank weapons drilled out to fire live ammo..thoughts peeps..

edit on 9-8-2012 by gavlar1974 because: Spelling mistakes ha ha

I would be 100 percent with you if it meant all gun were band military and police included, but since that will never happen, to take guns away from normal citizens is the single most irresponsible thing we could ever do, do you really want the government and criminals to have the only guns? The not a very good situation to put are children in.

reply to post by BASSPLYR


You can go shooting as a sport all over europe there is a shooting range 2 miles from my home we just dont let any idiot loose with a semi automatc weapon.
Ok i can maybe see the point of having a weapon in the house in case of a violation but some states allow people to carry a gun in the street

Originally posted by doobydoll
reply to post by Valhall

 

We have only 'specialist' armed response units for such things, all our regular everyday cops don't have guns.
Why do you think that is?

Just like much of the rest of your country, that's largely due to following obsolete traditions more than anything else. The police was specifially set up to be unarmed to differenciate them from the military enforcers who before the mid-1800's used to show up to quell public disturbances and did very bad things while doing it, and the tradition pretty much stuck. I did a Google query on this and it turns out that Norway, China, and the UK are pretty much the ONLY police forces throughout the world that aren't armed. Every other nation you can think of...Japan, Canada, Germany, Australia...the police will routinely carry guns. Things are about to change for you, though, as that same Google search shows the British Police Federation is demanding that police be allowed to be armed with Tasers.

Daily Mail article: Police Federation asks to be armed with Tasers

...so your claims that "no guns equals no crime" isn't even remotely true. What it does prove is that banning guns makes your police into victims of crime every bit as much as it does civilians.

It's safer to live in a country where guns are illegal.

If that were true then your police wouldn't be demanding they be allowed to carry Tasers to protect themselves, now, would it?

reply to post by GoodOlDave


Wtf the cops have had tazers here for years

Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Originally posted by doobydoll
reply to post by Valhall

 

We have only 'specialist' armed response units for such things, all our regular everyday cops don't have guns.
Why do you think that is?

Just like much of the rest of your country, that's largely due to following obsolete traditions more than anything else. The police was specifially set up to be unarmed to differenciate them from the military enforcers who before the mid-1800's used to show up to quell public disturbances and did very bad things while doing it, and the tradition pretty much stuck. I did a Google query on this and it turns out that Norway, China, and the UK are pretty much the ONLY police forces throughout the world that aren't armed. Every other nation you can think of...Japan, Canada, Germany, Australia...the police will routinely carry guns. Things are about to change for you, though, as that same Google search shows the British Police Federation is demanding that police be allowed to be armed with Tasers.

Daily Mail article: Police Federation asks to be armed with Tasers

...so your claims that "no guns equals no crime" isn't even remotely true. What it does prove is that banning guns makes your police into victims of crime every bit as much as it does civilians.

It's safer to live in a country where guns are illegal.

If that were true then your police wouldn't be demanding they be allowed to carry Tasers to protect themselves, now, would it?

I never said no guns equals no crime.

Our cops already do carry tazers I think. Tazers don't fire bullets though last time I checked.

reply to post by phroziac


Revolution huh? a few shotguns and semis against your armed forces good luck with that one

We brits don't want armed coppers since it'll encourage the naughty people to tool up to balance things out which will mean that we have to have firearms to ensure balance and since 99% of the criminal populace don't want to even go near a gun due to it adding 5+ years to a sentence if caught packing and if theres a mention of firerarms to the 999 service then you get a serious police overload of firearms units etc

reply to post by gavlar1974
Personal Veiw:Most of the women in my family have guns and permits...They sleep with a gun in their nightstand drawer and when they have to drive long distances they carry their gun with them...As for most of the men in my family, they have guns also; hand guns and rifles and such. Usually they keep them in a locked gun cabinets. Now depending on what state they live in; since each state has different gun laws and some of my male relatives hunt and some do not, their cache of weapons vary. This is the way I have always known it to be and our family has no incidents of children playing with their parents guns and getting hurt. We have had no gun related suicide events and no gun related arrests. But I can tell you this for a fact, if the government said they would have to give up their weapons, they would not. There are ways to get around that scenario. So multiply this on a grand scale in USA and there you have it...

The second amendment isn't to do with having guns to go hunting. That's what a lot of people think it's for. It's not. It's so common people can form militias to protect themselves in the event of tyrannical g--v forming. They keep trying to get people to think it's just for hunting. So therefore they tell people that they don't need auto, semi auto, or big clips or anything. Because they say it's just for hunting. IT'S NOT, NOT AT ALL. Again it's specifically to provide protection against g--v, nothing else. As far as hunting goes you can use traps. If america is ever disarmed then anything goes. Everyone sent to concentration camps asap. Entire cities turned into concentration and extermination camps. Because they'll be nothing to spot it.

First off, gun laws don't work. Criminals do not believe in laws. Law enforcement is not required to protect you or your family. It is your responsibility to protect you and yours. Seeing how criminal do not play by the rules, why in the hell would I want handicap myself anymore than I have to. Our 2nd Amendment isn't there for hunting or the "British". The Founding Fathers had enough forsight to know that freedom has to be preserved, not from invading armies but from the government.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson

Originally posted by BASSPLYR
reply to post by nighthawk1954

 

Dude that would have been one hell of a mess to clean up if you had tagged him with that slug. Having shot slugs into watermelons, boulders, sheet metal, etc... I can agree that nobody wants to ever get hit with a slug.

I believe that MythBusters did an episode once on different rifle rounds. The shotgun 12 gauge deer slug out performed the .50 call rifle at close range as far as destructiveness was concerned.

Yep that would have been the third round...he was lucky , my daughter was three at the time. Plus priors he is now serving a 10 year sentence, I was in court to help that...I have a sign on my door ...The door is locked to protect you if you try to enter. Pepole ask me did it bother you to have to do what you did???? Hell no I am a firefighter I have seen a lot of blood and guts...not to mention 2 weeks at 9/11! Make my day!

Yep There still was alot to clean up some Spackle her some Spackle there , no big deal. Bottom line NO ONE Messes with my family or friends. Thank god for the 2nd amendment...if not I could be dead and not save the lives I have .

Use the search function please. Quit wasting bandwidth with issues that have been torn to shreds.

Also, it isn't the British we're afraid of. You'll be the first one yelling when the NWO comes down. Are our guns gonna stop it? No. Probably not. But those bastards better bring more than a UN peacekeeper. You, on the other hand are free to be bulldozed over.

Use the hamster between your ears and think, man.


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"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government" - Thomas Jefferson

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Hmm, ban guns to stop gun violence? How about arm every single person in the US. As soon as you turn 18 years old, go get your free goverment provided gun!

Tell me, exactly who would decide to commit a crime/assault/robbery/home invasion ANYTHING, if they knew every home and business was protected with a gun?

Does anyone know the gun laws in Switzerland??? That's right, no one talks about that.....

From now on, no one is allowed to even mention gun laws or crime in the US until they read and understand the laws AND gun related crime for Switzerland.

Side note - Hey Switzerland, your girls are cute and I love your gun laws, boarding the plane now... See you soon.