Iran vs. USA in one picture

Iran haven't started many wars but don't need to. ALL they really want to do is wipe out one country on one day as inside they seeth with hate for Israel.

That is the one and only goal of Iran. You can seem as peaceful as much as you like, but when you develop the power to obliterate a nation, and you say out of your mouth you want to obliterate a nation, and you are working on weapons that could do just that....... you will try to do so when the weapons are ready....

...At that point, Iran will be the worst nation in the worlds history all at one moment. At least the US used nuclear to stop a war. Iran will be the first nation to start a war with it.... from a distance.

They are hateful cowards, they wouldn't have the guts to try to attack in any other way because they'd lose ad run off like frightened Arabs just like what happened in 1967.

Lets see if their words are all posturing or whether they really have the balls to start what will be the end for Islam.

Originally posted by pacifier2012
Iran haven't started many wars but don't need to. ALL they really want to do is wipe out one country on one day as inside they seeth with hate for Israel.

That is the one and only goal of Iran. You can seem as peaceful as much as you like, but when you develop the power to obliterate a nation, and you say out of your mouth you want to obliterate a nation, and you are working on weapons that could do just that....... you will try to do so when the weapons are ready....

...At that point, Iran will be the worst nation in the worlds history all at one moment. At least the US used nuclear to stop a war. Iran will be the first nation to start a war with it.... from a distance.

They are hateful cowards, they wouldn't have the guts to try to attack in any other way because they'd lose ad run off like frightened Arabs just like what happened in 1967.

Lets see if their words are all posturing or whether they really have the balls to start what will be the end for Islam.

I think that is a bit over the top. I wonder who here is full of hate.

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yes they do hate that some so called powers shout human right and .... then help the new kind of racism and gather some minorities from all the world with some lies and make a fake country called Israel. for 60 years they do anything they can to change the population of the real residents from christians to jews and muslims with their genocides. this is hatred ! if one does not hate the wicked then what does humanity mean !

There is at this time...one reality to this Topic. Iran became a Strict Islamic State because of a mistake by planners of Containment of Soviet Expansionism that allowed the Shah of Iran to remain in power simply because he was able to use American Alarm over this very real threat of the Soviet Unions intention to take over the Middle East and it's supply of OIL as well as the Soviet desire to have a WARM WEATHER NAVAL PORT for the basing of a planned expansion of a Soviet Navy to rival the United States.

These plans have already been made public during the Yeltsin Years. In the zeal of U.S. Planners to contain Soviet expansion...they allowed an Iranian Dictator to abuse his people and stay in power by force. This was a Mistake.

Regardless of this History...Iranian Old Guard Religious Leadership has had it's day and the country has a Pro-Democracy Movement that will within 11 to 12 Months...Take Over Leadership of Iran. Since 70% of all Iranians Living in Iran are Under the age of 30 Years old...a change of Government is inevitable. This is made problematic by the demonstration of the current Iranian Leaderships desire to maintain control at any cost including the Deaths of their own people either by their own Hands or by creating a confrontation with the U.S. in an effort to Unite the Population against an invading force. This is also in conjunction with the total breach of NPT rules and Iranian concepts that if they can develop Nukes...this will deter a U.S. Military Response...this is a Miscalculation by the current Iranian Leadership. Their continued threats to destroy Israel is also empty threats designed to intimidate other countries to gain time to finish Uranium Enrichment to Weapons Grade. Still...again this is a miscalculation by Iranian Leadership. One way or another...Iranian Leadership will be removed.
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Originally posted by nenothtu
As far as I'm concerned, the best thing the US could do for world peace would be to let the rest of the world sort out their own problems, and just stay home, and keep our money/weapons/charity/foreign aid, and all the like, here too. Just seal up our borders, stay in the house, and let the rest of the world have at it.

I bet if USA does this with it's potentials and goodnesses not only it's infuence does not drop but will boost rapidly. but those in power in USA think that with military intervention they can withstand Russia and China or those that wants their lands back! it is wrong. world has changed and the levers of power as well !

"""I expected more from Americans. I did not know that they would compare one of themselves with a horse !"""
It's an expression, not a comparison, but I AM acquainted with some people, Americans and otherwise, of whom it could be fairly said that a horse has more sense than they do. Individuals are individuals. Simply being an American doesn't confer any magical qualities of intelligence on any particular individual.

yes you are right individuals are individuals but that expression is considered an insult in eastern culture especially to those that devoted their lifes for humanity !

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
There is at this time...one reality to this Topic. Iran became a Strict Islamic State because of a mistake by planners of Containment of Soviet Expansionism that allowed the Shah of Iran to remain in power simply because he was able to use American Alarm over this very real threat of the Soviet Unions intention to take over the Middle East and it's supply of OIL as well as the Soviet desire to have a WARM WEATHER NAVAL PORT for the basing of a planned expansion of a Soviet Navy to rival the United States.

partly true that Soviet wanted to reach the Persian gulf or Oman sea but it saw passing through Iran hard so they tried to pass through Afghanistan !
true that keeping Shah in power was totally a mistake. but that was the mistake of USA by it's Operation Ajax.
unfortunately just UK benefited from that not Iran or USA !

Pro-Democracy Movement that will within 11 to 12 Months...Take Over Leadership of Iran. Since 70% of all Iranians Living in Iran are Under the age of 30 Years old...a change of Government is inevitable. This is made problematic by the demonstration of the current Iranian Leaderships desire to maintain control at any cost including the Deaths of their own people either by their own Hands or by creating a confrontation with the U.S. in an effort to Unite the Population against an invading force.
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maybe another colored revolution is in way ! but if I were I would not speak so strictly, what if it doesn't happen.

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It WILL HAPPEN...it is only a question of HOW. The U.S. will not allow the existence of a Nuclear Armed Iran.
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Rational humans will not allow the existence of a nuclear armed U.S., the only country to have used nuclear bombs, and on innocent civilians... Israel's nuclear program was hidden (illegally), from the world, and they LIED blatantly about their nuclear program. Yet no one seems to have a problem with Israel having nuclear arms... What if Iran is creating their nuclear program to "prevent another American takeover", does that justify their nuclear program? Or maybe if they were Jewish, would that justify them having nuclear arms?

This idea that nuclear arms are used as preventative measure, is a pathetic theater performance, especially when one considers that the Soviet MIRV (Multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle) systems were only possible to be designed with the help of machining equipment for the manufacture of precision ball bearings from the U.S.. Its a game that has been played by imperialist country's for a long time, facilitating the creation of a fake, or manageable threat, in order to justify their abuse of their own citizens rights, and further their control structure. Here is another stunning example of how the U.S. utilizes fake enemy's to enable its control.

"In May 1929 the Soviet Union signed an agreement with the Ford Motor Company. Under its terms, the Soviets agreed to purchase $13 million worth of automobiles and parts, while Ford agreed to give technical assistance until 1938 to construct an integrated automobile-manufacturing plant at Nizhny Novgorod."

These vehicles, BTR-40, GAZ-62, and several others were used by the North Vietnamese army in their war against the U.S., which brings one back memory's of how the Luftwaffe had their aviation fuel (tetra-ethyl lead) needed to bomb Britain supplied to them by Standard Oil company. Certainly seems that all the "enemy's" of the United States, have been facilitated/armed/funded by the United States themselves....

So while Iran is heralded as "a threat to civilization", one must honestly wonder what the justification for this is? Most of all, one must wonder what trick the U.S. has up its sleeve, what fake threat it is trying to create here, to facilitate its destruction, and takeover of our world. Maybe it wants to test out its new nuclear bombs, since the test drop's on Japan weren't enjoyable enough for the blood thirsty generals who run the U.S. military. Kind of like they tested out defoliants on the North Vietnamese, and nuclear weaponry on the Iraqi's, who have found enriched uranium in the ground, and in people's hair. Maybe the U.N. needs to put some sanctions on the U.S.?

reply to post by 007Polytoks

You have stated some facts...Yes the U.S. used Nuclear Weapons...but given the circumstances...it was justified. As far as your opening comment...this will never happen but what will happen...and not to long into the Future...is that the U.S. Military will no longer need Nuclear Weapons or need them as a deterrent. The U.S. Military's Direct Energy Weapons Programs such as the FEL or Free Electron Laser...or the MEB or Microwave Emitting Beam...will make Nuclear Weapons OBSOLETE.

As far as Iran...they signed the NPT in order to purchase Nuclear Energy Tech. It is IRAN that has broken the Treaty that allowed it to buy what it could not create on it's own thus since they broke the agreement...they are subject to the PENALTIES!

A few old style Fission Bombs that are the size of a truck are not enough to deter any U.S. Military action. But the U.S. is not interested in invading IRAN. It is waiting for the Iranian Leadership to be removed by it's own people. This will happen and if the Iranian Leadership kills it's own to prevent this...then you might see U.S. Military action...or if the Iranian Leadership attempts to close the Strait of Hormuz...the U.S. Military would have to go in. Split Infinity

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Why does Israel, which "is one of four nuclear-armed countries not recognized as a Nuclear Weapons State by the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), the others being India, Pakistan and North Korea.", get off without so much as a warning, while Iran is demonized for its actions?

"Israel has refused to sign the NPT despite international pressure to do so, and has stated that signing the NPT would be contrary to its national security interests."

If Iran "refused to sign the NPT", what do you think would happen? They already have an almost total economic embargo from the U.S., and no doubt a larger ban would be easily ratified if they didn't sign the deal, maybe even an invasion. Yet Israel, who simply states that telling people about their nuclear arms would be "a harm to nation security", is not even questioned by the U.S..

There is no doubt that you are correct on the matters of using Iran's own people against them, however, much like North Korea, Cuba etc.. this is easier said then done, and while the U.S. facilitated coup's have gotten more strategically sound over the past few years with Syria/Libya being a medium success. Iran is no Syria/Libya, and its most certainly no Iraq. Black propaganda only works to a certain extend, and the while the CIA is masterful at lying, one could imagine the Iranians have heard it all before. Quite frankly, the U.S. has no right to get involved in this region, and if the Iranians close the Strait of Hormuz, its a matter best solved by the occupants of the region, not a third party that is simply in it for profit.

Evidence suggests that "Israel has broken more UN resolutions that any other in UN history", yet they are allowed to proceed with their violations, because their U.S. buddies veto every resolution that gets passed against them. This is the "fair balanced" world government that our country's prop up, one that has its justice overturned at the drop of a hat by one single country. While other country's are labeled as "terrorists", "rogue states", by the very same country that let their buddies get away with murder.

When does it become obvious that this propaganda/threats against Iran are not justifiable? When does it become obvious that this is exactly like all the other U.S. campaigns of aggression, and any real threat that comes from Iran will be facilitated by the U.S. itself? The same country that lied about the Bay Of Pigs fiasco, the same CIA that told Kennedy that they would NOT carry through their plan, and then did it anyways. This is the "beacon of truth" that the "American" people follow, a lying criminal organization known as the CIA.

reply to post by 007Polytoks

There are two sides to this issue. One being that no country is Forced to sign the NPT. Signing the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty is only mandatory if a Country that is not capable of developing Nuclear Energy Generation on their own...and was the reality with IRAN...MUST sign the NPT if they wish to be allowed to purchase Nuclear Reactor Tech for use in Energy Generation and Energy Generation...ONLY!

There are stipulations in the treaty that a country that signs it and purchases Nuclear Tech. must abide by the rules such as allowing inspections of all sites...video cameras at sites...the signing country can not under any circumstances sell or give Nuclear Tech. or Fuel to any other country unless that transaction is approved by the treaty officials. Also...if the country such as Iran breaks these agreements...they are subject to sanctions as well as possible Military action. Iran has broken every rule of the treaty and is trying to enrich Uranium to Weapons Grade as they have built Tens of Thousands of Centrifuges.

Israel did not sign but even though Israel had a level of tech. capable of developing Nuclear Weapons...the U.S. secretly gave Israel Nuclear Weapons Grade Fuel after several attempts by several Arab Countries to Wipe Out Israel during such wars Israel won. This was against the NPT that the U.S. has signed after it had developed Nuclear Weapons but a country that signs after it has developed Nukes is only subject to the Non-Proliferation of giving or selling Nuclear Tech. to a Country unable to create these. Thus the U.S. broke the rules secretly but Israel had the level of Tech. to build them anyways...we just sped up the process by a year.

It is a double standard but then Nasser was intent on the Destruction of Israel and it was believed this would provide a deterrent. Had the Arab world not attacked...i doubt the U.S. would have provided the Fuel...plus at the time...Egypt, Syria, Iraq..etc...were all allowing Russian Advisers into their countries and this was during the Cold War in which we now know the Soviet Union not only had a plan but had begun it by invading Afghanistan to eventually take over Middle Eastern Oil Fields. Split Infinity

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You are under the impression that Israel built the reactors on their own?

"Israel started investigating the nuclear field soon after its founding in 1948 and with French support secretly began building a nuclear reactor and reprocessing plant in the late 1950s."

Why is Israel not held to these strict standards?

So country's like North Korea, who had the U.S. "try to wipe them out" are justified as using nuclear arms, under your reasoning? Or does it just work when it's country's that are on team U.S.A.? Does the attacks on Iran from Iraq (who got their chemical weapons with the help of the U.S.), and the other country's who are malicious to Iran justify their program? Or does it just work when they are on team U.S.A.?


It seems all to obvious that you haven't read the previous posts which detail how the "Soviet threat" was created by the U.S., and how in reality there was no "war of aggression" against either country. The Soviet Union, and the United States, used the phony premiss of fighting each-other, as a method to dominate other country's. The Bolshevik's were a creation of the U.S., just like they facilitated the rise of the Third Reich, I am sure Bush's grandfather knows all about that. Are we supposed to just believe the lies we are fed? That the U.S. has the best interest of humanity in mind, and Iran is an evil Nazi regime waiting to destroy our freedoms? During the Six Day war, Israel was the first country to attack, how do we know that the other nations even intended to attack Israel at all?

Other then the clear geopolitical importance of Israel to U.S. hegemony, there is no justification for giving them nuclear arms. The fact that lots of Westerners feel the lives of European Jews, are more valuable, then the lives of darker skinned Middle Easterners, is nothing short of Nazi racism. Can we guarantee that Israel wont utilize their nuclear weapons to steal more land from people? The same country that bombed the U.S.S. Liberty, after visibly noting that it was an "American" vessel.... A vessel that was on a "signal intelligence collection mission"? If they are willing to murder U.S. citizens in order to hide their secrets, how can you trust them with nuclear arms? How has the Israeli's systematic oppression of the Palestinian people given credence to their claims of "self defense"? When does it become all to apparent that we are being strung along on a wild ride?

reply to post by 007Polytoks

Oh...I am aware of that and much more. It really comes down to this. I am currently not a Big Fan on how Israel and it's Leadership are behaving. They are acting like spoiled Brats given the Fact that the U.S. has Forbidden Israel to Bomb Iranian Nuclear Sites. This Bombing would release massive amounts of radioactive Dust into the air and Poison most of the Middle East and this includes Israel. Israel knowing that the U.S. would cut off AID is making War like statements but you can't blame them much considering Iran has pledged to Wipe Israel off the Map.

The issue is in the Fact that the U.S. has promised Israel to deal with Iran and the Iranian Leadership will fall either by it's own people or if they do something stupid. Israel has been told to stay out of it as ONLY the U.S. is capable of seizing all Iranian Nuclear sites if it came down to it.

Now you can say what you want about the U.S. but better that the U.S. is the Worlds Premier Super Power than any of the alternatives.

Iran is a Religious Dictatorship that does not care how many of it's KIDS would be killed in a war as long as they get to stay in power. Split Infinity

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I personally have a great distaste of theistic governance, so I can't say that I don't agree. However, the U.S. government, is sadly quite theistic in nature, and judging by the Iraq/Afghan war, and others, they really don't mind sending their kids to die in battle. The majority of people fighting in the U.S. military are quite young to my knowledge, 18+ yes, but that doesn't mean they are "men" yet.

According to this Guardian article, George Bush said "God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq".

Guardian Article:

Its also quite debatable at how bad the world might/might not be with another country at the forefront of power, we have not really seen anything in our lifetime that wasn't skewed by the U.S. world view. I know everything I see on T.V. is skewed towards a U.S. perspective, and the history books are rife with biased agenda driven narratives. However, from my research, I would agree that Russia/China are not country's we want running the show either, so its a hard matter to fully accept either way. The lesser of two evils, is still evil.

reply to post by 007Polytoks

In my Third Job...we deal with ONE ISSUE....STABILITY. This is what it all comes down to as far as actions and orders that on their surface...may seem unreasonable...but they are done as part of an overall plan.

As far as the members of the U.S. Military...they are ALL...Volunteers. This is the difference between the U.S. Military and just about every other Military out there. Our all Volunteer Force is HIGHLY PROFESSIONAL. These Soldiers, Airmen and Sailors treat their service as A JOB. They also take Great Pride in being able to do their jobs in a manner that is not only Highly Professional but strive to do these jobs to the very best of their abilities.

This is much different than any other country...especially ones that have FORCED CONSCRIPTS as the bulk of their Military Force. Plus it is not easy to even get into the U.S. Armed Services as even a High School Diploma is not enough to ensure entry as the U.S. Military looks for people with an Associates Degree or Higher.
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reply to post by SplitInfinity


Umm en.wikipedia.org...



Volunteers are worse since they are either ill informed of our nations motives or zealots about what the USA is pushing on the world whether they like it or not. It makes them just as bad as those who would spread religion by the sword lets spread "democracy" or whatever by the sword.

Technically they can conscript. When you run out of people drinking the coolaide they will have to resort to conscripts.

Just wait till people get fed up with all the wars and people stop signing up voluntarily or even for economic reasons.

reply to post by votan

Ha! I can see you do not have much experience in experiencing what goes on in other counties in the world other than perhaps a visit to a NATO country or perhaps Mexico. Just try living for a period of one month anywhere else! And I don't mean Canada! LOL!

There is a VAST separation of concepts in most other countries over how a Regime or Kingdom or Dictatorship or Communist Regime acts, believes and treats their Citizens. Most of the Middle East with the exception of Jordan has ingrained into the average MAN the concept of ancient tribal laws and Religious rituals which govern and control their every action. If you are a Woman...GOOD LUCK! You are on a scale of importance just below a Man new pair of Sandals!

The Power of Tribal Religious Leaders who base their power on how their Bloodlines are closer to this Prophet or how that leader follows their Iman...which most Muslims call their Belief. There is many Iman's in Islam thus there are many conflicts between different Tribal Beliefs of how best to practice Islam.

Then you have countries where the Communist Party treats the Citizen as a Child and you have very little rights. Or there are places that are so screwed up...HAITI, Yemen, parts of South America, ALL OF AFRICA...that I can not even post the proper words to define how messed up things are.

This next statement I have NO DOUBT that it is 100% FACT. If there was no United States or U.S. Military...this World would be in a Total State of Dog Eats Dog! China and Russia would annex territory at will. Europe would probably be at war with each other...AGAIN! North Korea would be at war with South Korea...Iran would INVADE Saudi Arabia then Iran would be Invaded by Russia.

Without the United States and the Vast Over Powering Might of the U.S. Military....all HELL would break loose! The U.S. Military is the Balance Keeper...the source of STABILITY! Without it...eternal WAR! Split Infinity

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Ummm...so whats your point??? history is riddled with war, get over it. Being a world power is not an easy job, everyday we see examples of this at work an competition, its the nature of man, to rise to the top an maintain it. If not us, there somebody else will take the reigns, like china....or russia, so really, what difference does it make? plus Iran continues to threaten isreal all the time, so who's the hypocrite? its easy to reply an say, "oh but look at what america does...", well look at imperial britain, France, china, smaller nations of africa...what else do you want? so in a sense, if not us, then somebody else, AND IT WILL ALWAYS BE SOMEBODY ELSE IF NOT US.
this is the world boys an girls, time to grow up, if you can't take a little bloody nose then maybe you should go back home an hide beneath your bed, its a bad place out there.

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Originally posted by LightningStrikesHere

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
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Many Countries listed were invaded or had limited Military action taken upon them by the U.S.

Many of the countries listed such as POLAND and GRENADA, KUWAIT, BOSNIA....ETC...were a response by the U.S. to destroy an already invading Army or just a plain LIE!

POLAND!?!? Are you KIDDING ME!? POLAND hates the Russians to such an extent that they were extremely distressed that the U.S. decided not to base ABM's on Polish soil. POLAND was the FIRST country to have the BALLS to break free of the Soviet Unions stranglehold.

It was only after the U.S. secretly told Poland that the reason we were not placing ABM's on ground sites was that we had between the time of the original planning of these bases and when we were to break ground...that 3 MAJOR and WORLD CHANGING NEW TECH. had been developed and that the U.S. would COVER POLAND under it's newly designed Missile Shield.

The first breakthrough was in Long Burn High Powered Solid Rocket Fuel along with a Super Computer Guidance System that turned a standard SM-3 Missile into a Super Accurate Long Range ABM as well as Satellite Killer. The second was the Free Electron Laser which a few are currently operational as well as being Nuclear Powered will be installed on every USN. Carrier and Aegis Cruiser. The Third was the MEB or Microwave Emitting Beam which has a multitude of uses.

POLAND? HA! If you said they had been invaded by the U.S. they would say...THANK GOD!
Split Infinity

you must be missing the point he has made here , so take the time and look at the pic again ! and you will see ! ill give you a hint "where are Iran's bombs ?"

Iran's bombs are in the hands of Hezbollah and other terrorists who continually attack Israel. Iran's bombs were in Iraq blowing up stuff. Iran's bombs are in Syria aiding Assad.

That propaganda is below kindergarden, pre pre school where Iran makes videos of mickey mouse blowing stuff up.

This is beyond stupid. Since you believe you have the right to call someone here below - kindergarten - (it really helps if you know how to spell your insults bud), then let me just say this: do a little research, and stop trying to sound like a tough guy by insulting someone's intelligence.


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Thanks for the picture OP. It's always sobering seeing figures, and I'd like to say even the most brainwashed individual could realise something is off here...but evidence suggests I'd be wrong.