Iran vs. USA in one picture

WOW , USA has fought so many wars .Now i know why there is no World Peace .

Originally posted by daaskapital
I have a question...

Why isn't Australia on the list?

I have another question...

When did the war between America and Australia happen?

Nice idea.... but.... I'll give you a what if Put the shoe on the other foot.... Resources and Progresses of the United States and switch'em. Iran now having the same power weilded by the US today.....
Vietnam? WWIII. (not forgetting with Allah's Blessing )
Cubanesque Missile Crisis? WWIII. (not forgetting with Allah's Blessing )
9/11 Iraq and Afghanistan would have been declared "Glassed" and unsafe for the next 1000 years and again WWIII due to the fallout on Russia's doorstep. (not forgetting with Allah's Blessing )

You wouldn't be having this conversation today let alone an internet or webset of this nature to post it on...

Ego and Theocracy a very bad combination....

Sheesh, haven't the moderators moved this thread into the RANTS bin yet? All one needs to do is look at the OP's post to see he's deliberately misrepresenting his list to make the outcome look the way he wants it to. Why the heck is it supposedly so bad for the US to help south korea fight off communist invaders from the north? And why was it so bad for the US to try and stop the famine in Somalia? And why does he restrict the list to SINCE WORLD WAR TWO if not because he know there's no way he can demonize the US' war against Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan.

I'm not going to defend every single little entry on this list because it's a given most of them were little more than pawns in the cold war chess game against the Soviets (which I notice isn't included in the comparison or else people would see it was a one for one list). My point is that there are plenty of real and genuine issues people can gripe about without needing to manufacture phony issues like this.

reply to post by GoodOlDave


Geez, Dave, don't you know? This is ATS! If it makes the US look bad, it's OK by them.

I was wondering the same things myself? Notice that the Soviet Union isn't brought up, and they were dealing in Central America, Africa, and other places just as much, if not more, then the US.

Somewhere there's a long list of times the US was "engaged" in combat operations. 90% of the incidents were BS events like US Marines evacuating embassy personnel when some 3rd world country was tanking.

reply to post by jerico65


The soviet union is gone and this was a comparison of IRan and USA.

The usa has been involved in more open conflicts than IRan

THe usa and IRan have also had covert conflicts.

Adding them all up the USA has more tallies on their book.

Most of the involvement the usa has in other countries is purely for self interest not necessarily to make the world a better place or to help the people in that nation. All the countries that have been "liberated" have been bombed to hell stating that collateral damage is just part of liberating the people they want to save. The USA only takes interest in other nations if they have resources they covet or some means by which it will benefit. It has nothing to do with saving teh people. If that was the case then collateral damage would not be okay.


Look the USA is warmongering nation. It does so to stay at the top of the food chain. That is okay. It is okay to be a warmongerer. Just do not lie to yourself that our nation is not. I accept it instead of living in denial

Originally posted by votan
The soviet union is gone

Thank God and give credit where it is due!

and this was a comparison of IRan and USA.

No comparison.
The US is a world power with interests in Global economic security [That includes China's interests] We are the bad guys but it keeps the present state of Earth's economy going.

Good, bad or indifferent!

The usa has been involved in more open conflicts than IRan

AND

Your point is?

THe usa and IRan have also had covert conflicts.

It took a guy with a female avatar to point out the obvious?

Adding them all up the USA has more tallies on their book.

Damn right!
And Americans have the greatest right [by your logic] to Bitch Moan and Complain!

Most of the involvement the usa has in other countries is purely for self interest

Name one world power in history that has ever done anything different...

not necessarily to make the world a better place

That's very debatable!

Look the USA is warmongering nation

NO
We are fat lazy and uneducated!

Yet

It does so to stay at the top of the food chain. That is okay. It is okay to be a warmongerer. Just do not lie to yourself that our nation is not.

Sounds like you have Penis envy!

Nothing more

Sorry, no ticky, no laundry!

reply to post by SLAYER69


The point of the thread was to point out who had more open conflicts or did you miss the origninal post??

It is normal that a super power only looks out for their self interests but our government attempts to make it seem like any action they take is only to help the people of the target nation which is bs.

The soviet union is gone because it was war like just like the USA.(among other reasons as well) You can't keep warring perpetually.You also make many enemies which is why many of the countries that were part of the soviet union do whatever necessary not to work with putin. The soviet union lost their power now those countries no longer HAVE to like Russia.

I point out the obvious about the covert activities since many people only mention the covert activities of Iran. Unless it is just ignored.

yes we do have the right to bitch and moan about anything we want in the usa.

I never said this country was not great. I just see it for what it is and am glad i was born here as opposed to anywhere else. Although I can still see that it is a warmongering nation, I just do not put on rosey colored glasses and think our country farts sunshines and rainbows.


All of your replies are insults which leads me to believe you are a woman posting behind a mans avatar who happens to be on the rag at the moment.

Originally posted by votan
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

The point of the thread was to point out who had more open conflicts or did you miss the origninal post??

No....

It's a plane and simple one sided unintelligent and castrated view of modern history!

It is normal that a super power only looks out for their self interests but our government attempts to make it seem like any action they take is only to help the people of the targeation which is bs.

Do you drive or ride in any internal combustion engine?

The soviet union is gone because it was war like just like the USA.(among other reasons as well) You can't keep warring perpetually.

AGAIN...

Is there a problem with this?

I point out the obvious about the covert activities since many people only mention the covert activities of ...

I'll tell you whats ignored!
Iran's participation in all the fun and games!
[I mean the death and destruction going back decades in various countires]

yes we do have the right to bitch and moan about anything we want in the usa.

Semper Fi

I never said this country was not great. I just see it for what it is and am glad i was born here as opposed to anywhere else. Although I can still see that it is a warmongering nation, I just do not put on rosey colored glasses and think our country farts sunshines and rainbows.

I smell a Ron Paul supporter

All of your replies are insults which leads me to believe you are a woman posting behind a mans avatar who happens to be on the rag at the moment.

ETA: I have no idea where the hell the last external quote came from!!!

reply to post by SLAYER69


Okay well make your own chart that reflects an uncastrated version of modern history instead of just saying it is skewed. Apparently you are more intelligent/informed than others/many so how about instead of just pointing it out you set people straight.

Yes we do fight for oil or other resources, but just don't try to hide it behind humanitarian aide unless its humanitarian aide for the usa not the target nation. maybe i have been viewing it wrong if that is how I am supposed to take it then game on.

I think you miss the point of the soviet union being in the mix... ITS GREAT THE SOVIET UNION IS GONE. I think you have made it clear that is a good thing. having gotten that out of the way THE USA IS DOING THE SAME CRAP the soviet union did with wariign which coupled in with economic problems brought it down. I don't want to see this country go the way of the soviet union where it falls out of power and everyone hates them.

YOu can't fight forever.

I do not think i ever said iran was the pinnacle of peace. I also do not tend to point the finger at what others do when someone is crapping on me. Pointing out the Iran is dirty like the USA really doesn't make the USA look any better. If i was getting crapped on for something and I dragged you into by pointing out what you did you would think I was trying to make myself look better by saying "Slayer does it to soo its okay that I do cuz i am the good guy" you would interject to differ and round round we go .


You do not have to be a ron paul supporter to see the crap the USA does, but the semper fi comment does lead me to believe you binged on some koolaide so ill just back out of this and say

yes you are right iran is evil the usa has a flatulance that smells of apple pies and freedom fries...

Woot woot usa!!

USA USA USA USA !

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by TrueAmerican

 

And Iran is being demonized cause they are desperately fighting for their rights to nuclear energy, when those very provisions are in the NPT, and to which they have 99% complied?

Theyre not fighting for rights to nuclear energy, theyre fighting for their rights to have nuclear weapons. The West has no problems with them using nuclear energy for industrial, comercial and economic power or medical purposes. However they have gone passed the need to enrich uranium for power and medical purposes, signifying their intent is to make nuclear weapons.

So why not just let Iran have nuclear weapons? Well, because Ayatollah Khamenei has already expressed his desire to bring the islamic Mahdi, and the only way that happens is if they start a war to eradicate all the jews starting with Israel, and then all the nations harboring jew populations which is what will happen when Iran gets nukes. Terrorist organizations are already searching many western towns for who jews are via muslim doctors.

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews
(killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The
stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me,
come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (a certain kind of
tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the
Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).

So you want to put nuclear weapons in the hands of extremists, and the same people who fund Hamas and Hezbollah? When you see a blinding flash and a mushroom cloud over your city, you have no one to blame but yourself, because they will use them or their Mahdi and his 12th Imam sidekick will never come, and they want them to come. They have no problem sacrificing millions of muslim to bring this to pass, martyrs go to heaven. Jewish, christian and muslim martyrs go to heaven. The difference is:

A jewish martyr will say "i will die for what i believe"
A christian martyr will say "i will die for what i believe"
A muslim martyr will say "you will die for what i believe"

Their Mahdi is the christian Antichrist, so by all means, give them nuclear weapons. The sooner they get them the sooner we get to go home!

edit on 8-8-2012 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)

False, they want nuclear energy so they can catch up to the rest of the world in terms of industry and production of goods, also providing new jobs for their citizens. Nuclear weapons? that just propaganda, the only country to have nuclear weapons and use them on people is US, why is no one stoping them from having those weapons, since they are the trigger happy ones?

I have muslim friends, and trust me when i say this, they have absolutley no idea where you people get that shiet from "A muslim martyr will say "you will die for what i believe"?

"

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews
(killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The
stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me,
come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (a certain kind of
tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).

"

and that, they have no idea where u guys got this from, thinking like this in their true religion not what the powers of brainwashing are telling you, is very dis honorable in their culture and is frownd upon greatly.

Like i said, US has Nuclear weapons, so does russia and a few other countries, why is no one stopping them?
No one was arrested or trialed after they bombed japan, more like over kill japan with a nuclear weapon.

If US stops invading and setting up terrirost(CIA) agents on other peoples land, im pretty sure they would have no reason to retaliate, or even invade ur so called "AMERICA" which isnt even a real country.

Originally posted by binkman
Such a shame that England isn't on that list. England had to suffer 40 years of coordinated IRA bombings funded largely by US citizens and banks.

US Americans = friend to none, enemy to all.

Do you hear that boys? By boys, I am referring to my red blooded, God fearing, Freedom loving, no coward among em boys in uniform. The next time any of the countries in Europe gets their knickers in trouble by some dictator let's just stay home, protect ourselves and let them get hammered.

I saw another French WWII rifle on sale on ebay with the typical words, "Never fired, dropped once". America has been used as the Illuminati watch dog and keeper of the peace around the world for far too long. We've paid the bill militarily and thus all our bases all over the world. I agree, bring all of them home, drill our own oil, shut our effing borders, and stop all immigration. Kick out all the undocumented workers, and rebuild our manufacturing, and get rid of the scum politicians. We have enough of a country to support and build ourselves. We can rebuild, but you all can't cover your own butts in a fight. Good luck and good riddance.

I'm not going to make excuses just let the pictures speak for themselves.

Originally posted by votan



Look the USA is warmongering nation. It does so to stay at the top of the food chain. That is okay. It is okay to be a warmongerer. Just do not lie to yourself that our nation is not. I accept it instead of living in denial

Blame.

Theres ALWAYS three pointing back at you.

Originally posted by votan
The soviet union is gone and this was a comparison of IRan and USA.

Yep, the Soviet Union is gone, but we're still feeling the affects of their meddling in other countries.

Ever check out the weapons they are using? AKs, RPG, BRDMs, BMP, and T62s, etc.

All supplied by the Soviets. And a lot was given to them for free.

At least the US sells weapons; it keeps jobs at home.

history teaches us that always there is an end to any empire ! Is USA's empire as the superpower of superpowers going to it's end !? in the history of humanity USA was not and will not be the only superpower. and it is not an exception.
history teaches us that Empires have collapsed by wrong leaders and wrong decisions and USA will not be an exception !
history shows that influence of some groups surrounding leaders can lead to decisions against the benefit of that Empire.
so lets choose right leaders and make them open their eyes to deny arrogance that they are not the only superpower in the history, and they are in the danger of corruption and collapse. and they should learn from history !
history shows that war may just pospone the collapse but it will not prevent it. nowadays humanity has another tool for communication and incidentally USA was one of main sources of slogans like democracy, human rights, freedom and .... in the new era.
why does not it pay attention to it's own slogans ! why does not it pay attention to other countries (NAM) !
world has changed ! USA made a wave and now it is swimming against it.
This is the real danger !!!

Uh!!! Why are ******* whining and crying over iran? US done enough damage already.

Originally posted by XaniMatriX
False, they want nuclear energy so they can catch up to the rest of the world in terms of industry and production of goods, also providing new jobs for their citizens. Nuclear weapons? that just propaganda, the only country to have nuclear weapons and use them on people is US, why is no one stoping them from having those weapons, since they are the trigger happy ones?

If that were remotely true then they wouldn't hesitate allowing the world's atomic energy commissions entry to inspect what they're doing. Why is it other countries other than Iran have nuclear facilities and yet the world isn't snarling at them? Japan has an even worse history of militarism than what the OP is smearing the US with (as proven by his own "ignore that whole war we had against Japan" disclaimer) and yet they have nuclear power plants becuase they had nothing to hide from the atomic agencies- they genuinely wanted to generate power, not use it to manufacture nuclear weapons.

So why won't Iran follow the same rules that even Japan is willing to follow? Privacy is one thing, but when it involves technology that makes whole cities go BOOM we're not exactly talking about protecting freedom of speech, now, are we?

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by LightningStrikesHere

 

Iran probably has the ability to build one or two small Nukes of the Fission Type that would be the size of a truck. The problem with Iran is they can give Nuclear Enriched Fuel to a Terrorist Group and it could be used as a DIRTY BOMB.
Iran is not a real threat to the U.S. but it is a threat to other countries in the Middle East. But this will all quickly resolve itself as the current Iranian Leadership has but 11 to 12 Months of life left before Iran's own people remove it and install a Democratic Government.

Split Infinity

and so could any other country so whats your point ?

reply to post by LightningStrikesHere

My POINT is that Iran signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. It has broken just about Every Agreement in that treaty. Sanctions are justified as well as possible Military Action as Iran signed a TREATY that states IRAN agrees that these actions...Sanctions and possible Military action to enforce the Treaty are LAWFUL!

Iran's current Leadership will be removed...it has already been decided. Russia and China are aware and already have made DEALS with the U.S. Russia wants it's Natural Gas Pipeline protected and since it makes a lot of money for it's use...the U.S. has agreed to make sure any interruption of Gas Flow to be short lived. China has made a deal that ensures that Iranian Oil will continue to be shipped to China from Iran...the U.S. has agreed to keep China's Oil Flowing. Israel has been TOLD IT WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO BOMB IRANIAN NUCLEAR SITES AS WELL AS IT WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE INVOLVED IN ANY MILITARY ACTION.

This is a KEY agreement between Iranian Military Forces and the U.S. Military. Iran's Military Leadership KNOWS that a WAR with the United States is SUICIDE! They want NO PART OF IT! They will STAND DOWN AS LONG AS ISRAEL STAYS OUT OF THE FIGHT! The Public Propaganda Military Mouth Piece that the World Media hears is a Spokesman of the Old Religious Guard Regime. The REAL IRANIAN MILITARY LEADERSHIP is aware that they would be the first to die in a Game of Politics. They know that Iran is not close to a Match in any way to the U.S. Military and a WAR would only result in a Iran without a Military as well as HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DEAD IRANIANS. Also...given the Nuclear aspect involved...if Iran's military were to Not STAND DOWN...the U.S. Military would leave NOTHING TO CHANCE! IT WOULD BE A BLOOD BATH for no reason! Only for some 80 to 90 Year Old Religious Fanatics to try to hold power.

The U.S. Military will most likely not have to launch a full attack as it is most likely Iran's Military will STAND DOWN...but if they do not or Israel gets involved...The U.S. Military will attack on a level that will make Iraq look like a Firecracker. This is because of Iranian Nuclear Sites. Iran's Navy, Air Force, Army will be wiped out. We will even go after out of country Iranian Qud's Forces. Nuclear Sites will have to be SEIZED by our SPECIAL FORCES AND RANGERS....thus if a REAL WAR starts...you will see Giant Wings of B-52H's in 4 Groups of 22 per group carrying Smart Carpet Bombing Munitions each the size of a 500lbs bomb with these B-52's also using WING CARRIERS for a total of 112 BOMBS PER PLANE. Each Bomb contains 150 to 250 Bomblets that are approved by the Cluster Bomb ban as they render themselves inert if not exploded. The Large Bombs burst above target and each Bomblet has a small rocket that targets IR-Light. Thus they only hit viable targets. The ones with 150 Bomblets are for destroying Tanks, Troop Carriers and other Equipment.

I do not want to see this happen but it will if Iran attempts to close the Strait and they will attack the Pro-Democracy Movement at the same time they order the Strait Closed. Plans are to protect the Democracy Leadership Cells with Special Forces...that is if the Iranian Military STANDS DOWN. I am certain they will as they can be a Protector of a New Iran or they can be DEAD! Plus they are ANGRY that they feel BETRAYED BY THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT! They know the Old Guard needs Iranian Bodies to make their plan work and the Navy of Iran has no desire to be those BODIES! Split Infinity