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Originally posted by rainbowbear
reply to post by Annee
yes, this is where its a problem--PERS, the like. this is a problem most americans that pay tax would never want to vote in.
but you live in a fantacy world, have it how you like!
Originally posted by natters
reply to post by Annee
and since religion and government are separate then why shouldn't churches be able to refuse to marry homosexuals?
Originally posted by grahag
Originally posted by StalkerSolent
Now, here's my opinion. Since marriage is primarily a religious ordinance, why don't we let the churches decide who to marry? If a couple of people wish to form a legally binding contract that carries the same legal weight as a marriage does today, go for it! I don't care what their relationship to one another is. What say you?
Actually marriage is primarily a legal ordinance. It has been so since before religion was invented, and MANY religions picked it up before Christianity. So what you're saying is that we should convert all marriages to "legal contacts" and then let the churches decide who should be married?
I kinda like that idea! I think that would work for everyone! A fantastic bit of brainstorming! +1 for you!
Originally posted by grahag
Originally posted by StalkerSolent
Now, here's my opinion. Since marriage is primarily a religious ordinance, why don't we let the churches decide who to marry? If a couple of people wish to form a legally binding contract that carries the same legal weight as a marriage does today, go for it! I don't care what their relationship to one another is. What say you?
Actually marriage is primarily a legal ordinance. It has been so since before religion was invented, and MANY religions picked it up before Christianity. So what you're saying is that we should convert all marriages to "legal contacts" and then let the churches decide who should be married?
I kinda like that idea! I think that would work for everyone! A fantastic bit of brainstorming! +1 for you!
Originally posted by grahag
The more I think about this, the more I like it. Everyone can get re-married after having their marriages converted to legal binding (or whatever the term would be). It'd be a shot in the arm for the economy as well!
Originally posted by rainbowbear
Originally posted by grahag
Originally posted by StalkerSolent
Now, here's my opinion. Since marriage is primarily a religious ordinance, why don't we let the churches decide who to marry? If a couple of people wish to form a legally binding contract that carries the same legal weight as a marriage does today, go for it! I don't care what their relationship to one another is. What say you?
Actually marriage is primarily a legal ordinance. It has been so since before religion was invented, and MANY religions picked it up before Christianity. So what you're saying is that we should convert all marriages to "legal contacts" and then let the churches decide who should be married?
I kinda like that idea! I think that would work for everyone! A fantastic bit of brainstorming! +1 for you!
LOOK. Govt IS the religion----you need the Govt to do this, and make this rule, ect. And you arent a real boy if you dont have a piece of paper prooving your LOVE and how FAIR GOVT GOD has made your life. and yes, marriage licenses are a legal contract. you must live in some alternate reality.
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by grahag
The more I think about this, the more I like it. Everyone can get re-married after having their marriages converted to legal binding (or whatever the term would be). It'd be a shot in the arm for the economy as well!
No Marriage for anyone.
Originally posted by grahag
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by grahag
The more I think about this, the more I like it. Everyone can get re-married after having their marriages converted to legal binding (or whatever the term would be). It'd be a shot in the arm for the economy as well!
No Marriage for anyone.
Annee,
Don't be silly. Churches will decide who gets married now. Since EVERYONE has a marital contract, it's a moot issue. Just find a church that will marry you, and BAM! you're married!
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by grahag
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by grahag
The more I think about this, the more I like it. Everyone can get re-married after having their marriages converted to legal binding (or whatever the term would be). It'd be a shot in the arm for the economy as well!
No Marriage for anyone.
Annee,
Don't be silly. Churches will decide who gets married now. Since EVERYONE has a marital contract, it's a moot issue. Just find a church that will marry you, and BAM! you're married!
I'm Atheist.
Originally posted by grahag
Originally posted by Annee
I'm Atheist.
Me too, but that won't stop me from hitting up a church to get married in. Something with nice landscaping and beautiful colors... I had a justice of the peace do my marriage originally, but when I get RE-married after the change, then I'll do it up right. I wonder if there are any churches right on the beach?
Originally posted by gncnew
It doesn't, but the label "LGBT" is used to confer an agenda based movement that assumes to speak for a segment of society. Just like "Republicans" or "Democrats" are people, but there is a larger "party" that assumes to speak for them.
Originally posted by Six6Six
I am totally against the LGBT organised terrorist cult they have become.
Originally posted by gncnew
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by gncnew
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by MentorsRiddle
In short: people need to stop whining. The majority should be spoken for, while the concerns of the few squelched.
Majority rule - huh? That's your stand.
Well - - sucks for you America is a Democratic Republic not a Democracy.
Actually Annee... I never thought I'd say it - but damn if I don't agree with you. Majority rule is not something I subscribe to. While I agree that sacrificing the rights and liberties of the many for the luxuries and comfort of the few is garbage political pandering - I don't agree that the minorities simply of to suck it up because they're the minority.
That's essentially the premise that this nation was founded on. We are not a Democracy (mob rule), we are a Representative Republic that gives everyone a voice. My problem is that too often the current popular cultural fad seems to forget that EVERYONE gets a voice, not just them.
LGBTQ - - are just people. They are not a group think. They are not a fad. They get up - go to work. Some are professionals - athletes - ministers - actors - etc.
They want Legal Equal Rights - - Period! That's it.
How does it affect your life if they have Equal Rights? It doesn't.
It doesn't, but the label "LGBT" is used to confer an agenda based movement that assumes to speak for a segment of society. Just like "Republicans" or "Democrats" are people, but there is a larger "party" that assumes to speak for them.
I have no problem with equal rights, but other than being able to get married... what exactly is it that the LGBT (I have no clue wtf the Q is for now) does not have the "right" to do that every other American has?
They can adopt, they can get married in some places (not all yet, but it wont be too long now), and *gasp* they can even drive cars!!!
Seriously - this issue came over a guy asked about his religious views on a subject. Nobody asked him to make laws, he's not an elected official.
Here's what I think - I think the LGBT community has this enormous chip on their shoulder and they see intolerance and injustice around every corner - so much that they feel they need to jam their agenda down people's throats.
Have you not noticed the enormous uptick in "Gays" on TV lately? It reminds me of the early 80's when there were suddenly a bunch of "Black" TV shows on prime time. It's the old song and dance of preying on strait white people's fear of being labeled "racists" or "intolerant" so they'll literally RUN to embrace anything gay just to show they're not bigots.
Other than the minor stuff that comes along with being married, Gays are not discriminated against. Hell, it's not even a frog's breath close to what the Blacks went through during the days of segregation and the civil rights era - yet the LGBT community is trying to portray every minor issue as some epic battle for equality.
Squeaky wheel syndrome?
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by grahag
Originally posted by Annee
I'm Atheist.
Me too, but that won't stop me from hitting up a church to get married in. Something with nice landscaping and beautiful colors... I had a justice of the peace do my marriage originally, but when I get RE-married after the change, then I'll do it up right. I wonder if there are any churches right on the beach?
Naw - - - can't do it.
Besides this issue - - - separation of church and state is of Equal importance.
I really can't see forcing all LGBT into churches to get married - - - after the way most of them treated them.
And I know you know what I mean.
Originally posted by gncnew
threatened boycotts of Kraft Foods and more specifically the Oreo brand.
Now we all knew that this would never happend because those toothless mobs need to feed on deep-fried Oreos at the local county fairs and NASCAR races