The Problem with Greer

$700 for some Ambassador to the Universe blah-di-blah nonsense course.

Is he a scientologist by any chance? That sounds like their 'cup of tea'.
Or does he just have his beady little eye on becoming the next L Ron Hubbard (who I watched a video on recently, and he was creepy as $*"#... his smile; scary). 'Greerism'? 'Stevenism'.

Greer's on the blag (as we would say here in the UK). In other words he's deceitful, and only in the game for his personal, financial gain.

I must say, though, that the first time I saw him, I thought he was on the level.
But conmen are gold medal winners at creating a bogus first impression.

And he claimed to have briefed the head of the CIA? Dear God! Well, I suppose if you're going to tell lies, you might as well make them huge, gargantuan, mammoth whoppers, hey? Why would the head of one of the world's foremost Intelligence agencies, complete with God-knows-what very high level of security clearance need to be told porkie-pies (lies) by some balding goon who seems to have forgotten all about his hypocratic oath for the sake of telling fairy tales to the gullible and allergic to currency? It's comparable to George W Bush schooling William Shakespeare on use of the English language. It is utterly laughable beyond words.

Originally posted by JamesMc82
$700 for some Ambassador to the Universe blah-di-blah nonsense course.

That's an outdated fee you've quoted there

Current rate is-

$2500 - for people who have not been to a prior Ambassador training, including materials and lifetime CSETI membership.

$950 - for people who have attended at least 1 Ambassador training but no materials will be sent.

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As far as I know (I hate AFIAK) he isn't a scientologist and my gut reaction is that he's too greedy to share the cash with any other sets of loons, I can't imagine him sitting there with his newly ripped off pot of gold thinking "Hey if I give this to my Thetan bosses I get higher up the ranks"

I can however imagine him laughing his socks off at the idea while rubbing his hands together...

And remember folks, he's a body builder....

The reason I say that is he always drops that into the subject when he's doing a talk, quite what it has to do with aliens escapes me but I'm sure one day he will offer work out with alien classes for a mere ten grand or so..

See ET do squats...

Watch a grey feel the burn...

Watch the great Greer be safety for a Cassiopean sqeedlebrox bench pressing 500lbs..

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Do you know what this course actually involves? And whether the right reverend Steven R Greer teaches part of it himself?

A voice just came out of my computer saying: 'James: Go on the course, James. It will teach you all the secrets of the universe. Don't you want to be an ambassador for your planet? Don't you want to meet aliens?'

just curious....how on earth did dr.greer convince HUNDREDS of witnesses, that include,(military personel,astronauts,pilots,and many others with authority,to come forward to tell their stories of encounters with ufos and such,for events at the press club??????,he must be one hellava brainwasher huh? anyone have an answer?----just "curious".

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I remember the first time I saw him (which was fairly recently; a year or two ago) on a YouTube video. He mentioned the bodybuilding thing within five minutes! I like weight training myself, I fail to see how it adds to a person's credibility. 'I am healthy, so I MUST therefore be trustworthy.'

I would love to see a grey doing squats! I wonder how much I would have to fork out for that?!

And as for charging $800 to see a photo of a damn moth?! I'd be ringing 911 quicker than my fingers could dial!
Probably wouldn't have a leg to stand on, legally speaking though.

Far too many conmen in the field of ufology. They dilute and devalue any good, honest and proper advancements in knowledge that are being made, and they discourage 'outsiders' from getting involved by projecting this quasi-religious nonsense. Something really needs to be done. What though? Lord knows.

Blimey, am I in the wrong "business". This isn't half as facetious as it will come across.as however, for 2 bottles of Pusser's and our choice of curry takeaway, you can come round and spend a few hours with me and a few friends and I can almost guarantee you'll leave thinking at least one of us is an "alien".

Originally posted by FireMoon
Blimey, am I in the wrong "business". This isn't half as facetious as it will come across.as however, for 2 bottles of Pusser's and our choice of curry takeaway, you can come round and spend a few hours with me and a few friends and I can almost guarantee you'll leave thinking at least one of us is an "alien".

EEK, you have something alien shaped?

Not like something out of a HR Gieger painting I hope, that man has a thing about huge alien appendages!

Maybe it was the way he was 'reared'...

As for the beer and the curry, indeed after those you might thing I was a dead alien in terms of smell..

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just curious....how on earth did dr.greer convince HUNDREDS of witnesses, that include,(military personel,astronauts,pilots,and many others with authority,to come forward to tell their stories of encounters with ufos and such,for events at the press club??????,he must be one hellava brainwasher huh? anyone have an answer?----just "curious".

He is a confidence man. He presented himself as being legitimately interested in bringing peoples' stories to light in a non-judgmental fashion. Being relatively unknown, people were willing to trust him. The entire event was a stunt to establish his bona fides and reputation. That done, he could discard any further pretense for the benefit of the people he assembled as witnesses.

His "Disclosure Project" is the single worst thing to happen to serious UFOlogy. It has created the impression that the "truth" is being guarded by the Authorities, and that some day the Authorities will Reveal All. This is not science, it is eschatology. The truth is in the phenomena themselves, not a manila folder stamped "Top Secret."

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Haha... first contact with extra terrestrials with the symbolic breaking of a popodom ?!

Originally posted by JamesMc82
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Haha... first contact with extra terrestrials with the symbolic breaking of a popodom ?!

Only for the next morning to wage alien war on us after it has the 'Montezuma's' doom...

So, The Disclosure Project has been running for over a decade.
I remember watching one of their videos. Their long, long, Long videos. With everyone saying 'I will testify, under oath, what I have told you here, infront of a Senate Select Committee.' Or words to that effect.

I wonder what efforts have been made by The Disclosure Project to set up such a hearing? I doubt they have tried too hard, for two main reasons.
i) They don't want to look like liars, idiots and conmen infront of a large audience. (I wouldn't be surprised if some of those people giving evidence were actors, hired specifically to spout a script written by Greer).
ii) They sure as hell don't want to kill their goose that lays all those lovely golden eggs now do they? If the fabled disclosure were to happen, their cash cow would be consigned to memory. But, he could move on to Jesus, or angels or fairies next, hey?

These conmen in ufology **** me off no end. I find the subject endlessly fascinating, but these people leave me feeling so disillusioned with things.

Whilst he may be a charlatan with no evidence to back his claims, I wouldn't say he has done only harm to ufology.

I for one only sat up and considered the subject more seriosuly after seeing his Disclosure project video. Since then I have come to realise he has stretched the truth, but I'm mature enough to know that I shouldn't dismiss ufology as a whole.

Not to say anything rude but Steven Greer has "Hoax" written all over his forehead.

If he says that he has found ETs, then we ask his to draw a picture, take a picture, or put him through a truth test.

That picture he has, it's a picture of a butterfly that has been Photoshopped.

Originally posted by Bagel
Whilst he may be a charlatan with no evidence to back his claims, I wouldn't say he has done only harm to ufology.

The anit-Greer zealots typically rely on rash statements and irrational overgeneralizations, rudeness and pomposity. It's their bloodlust.

Originally posted by cathy57
just curious....how on earth did dr.greer convince HUNDREDS of witnesses, that include,(military personel,astronauts,pilots,and many others with authority,to come forward to tell their stories of encounters with ufos and such,for events at the press club??????,he must be one hellava brainwasher huh? anyone have an answer?----just "curious".

He was a master at conning hundreds of college or higher educated buffoons into thinking they were performing a noble task

or

he was a different man then than now?

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I hadn't heard of Greer before, but that's probably because I've got a good B.S. Detector when it comes to these things.

In order for your BS detector to go off, you would have had to have heard of Greer.

Deny ignorance...as best you can.

reply to post by fulllotusqigong
Thanks for the reply! I'm checking it out. It was an old man telling his story, so it took patience to get through it, that's true! And who is to say what he remembers correctly and what he has mistaken? And what is he embellishing or leaving out? Not every witness is going to be of great character - they can sometimes have really annoying and sometimes horrible personalities. Unfortunate.

Still, I hadn't heard it before. It is an interesting tale. As I said earlier, a piece in the puzzle of EBE / ET lore...

peace,
AB

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