I need answers pertaining to something odd that happened yesterday at my work.

reply to post by jude11


Because I don't have the authority in the salon to make those calls. I just work at the front desk and these were the actions that I saw. My manager came to me for advice, and now I'm coming to you guys. And my "amount of replies" is so I can give you guys answers to more questions.

reply to post by Gutterpus


Lol. We actually open at 7 on Wednesday's and Thursday's and clost early around 4/5 unlike mst salons. We cater to a lot of business owners and local government officials, lawyers... Etc. so we try to do their hair so they can go into work.

Thanks for your advice!

reply to post by drewatkin


If my manager and the owner lets me have it then I will definitely post it. Ideally want to see what she did in the back of the salon when she was out of everyone's view,

reply to post by DoxieCircus


She's either possessed...crazy...or onn drugs. Either way...her threats certainly warrant alerting the authorities (and banning her from the salon)

All I will say is that not treating her like a functioning member of society will lead-to undesirable consequences.

She calls ahead of time to make an appointment. When she does, refuse her service...tell her you have trust, and security issues because of her behavior at last appointment.

Honesty is the best policy.

Hello
This may be a test for you. Get some holy water from a chuch and the next time she comes in spill some on her and see her reaction. You may have to call on Jesus to protect you afterwards. That will probably give you more insight because deep inside you know this person is not just crazy. You could have her see a cross and see what reaction she gives also.
God Bless

reply to post by Apollo7


reply to post by Apollo7


I read through every single post before yours, trying to see whether anyone had put up any useful information about the various alternatives regarding what this lady might be affected with. When I got to your post I had to do a double take. Are you seriousy suggesting that this sort of behaviour is confined to certain US states, and is due to some sort of government program? Or Aliens with one agenda, and Satan with another?

Wow. Wow...

That is the biggest pile of strangely interwoven crap I have ever read - and yet you seem so convinced about it...

Anyway. To the OP:

This is where it gets weird. The girls starts making faces, making evil grins, laughing hysterically, and talking to people that aren't there. Every once in a while she would catch a glimpse of some one in the mirror and sort of make an evil smile, showing her teeth, and furrow her eyebrows. Then she started telling someone that wasn't there that "this party is lame, we need to get out of here, we can't stay, we just can't stay here."

Note how the manifestations began when she was left alone, and seated in front of a mirror. These behaviours are likely to be the 'games' of demons, which are capable of infesting the soul of a person as a result of various causative factors.

Someone in thread stated that 'possession is for a century ago, now it's called mental illness'. That is factually incorrect.

There are several types of organic mental illness, and various forms of demon oppression/ possession. Sometimes the line between the two is confused by the people who observe the behaviour - but as someone else said in-thread: 'the vibes between crazy and possessed are totally different'. That is a true statement.

There are cases of psychiatrists, who have determined that while most of their patients suffer some form of organically-induced mental illness, a small percentage of their patients are suffering from supernatural infestation of their personality by nefarious, malicious and demented spiritual entities. Several have gone on record to explain their experience of such cases, in spite of the professional risk, and they have been happy to engage the practical support of priests/ ministers who have experience in the ministry of deliverance/ exorcism.

Often, the results are astounding, in terms of the way these afflicted people are literally 'delivered from evil'. Their seeming mental health conditions are lessened significantly, or even totally removed, by the performance of a correctly handled deliverance session or exorcism. I will be happy to dig out some links later on.

She left the salon about 30 minutes later and waited outside for another 30 minutes for her rise, but the whole time she was laughing hysterically and acting as if she were in the middle of a crowded room. Hugging and casually touching people that were not there.

This behaviour is probably a MPD coping mechanism, displayed by the lady herself - acting out a routine so as to lose herself in it, and forget darker elements of her experience.

The woman, who seems normal at this point, tells my boss that she recently became an ordained minister online. She then tells her that she makes religious music videos in the nude with jewelry on and posts them to YouTube. She even gives my boss a user name to look up.

This is likely a fantasy scenario that she has developed herself, but with prompting from demons. Note the inversely religious context - 'religion with seduction/ perversion' is a key fondness of demonic spirits. Also note that it is plainly not true - she gives false information as truth, which is common in mental illness & demonic possession, making it difficult to understand what is going on.

the stylist asks the woman what church she goes to and she replies "every one of them". Then she cricks her neck and in a slightly different voice she says "I work for Satan."

Here, the demons themselves become active and begin to narrate their twisted schemes. Firstly, the entity has told the truth - demons visit every single church in the world, seeking to find people within who can be used as vessels/ instruments, in order to bring about the diminishing/ destruction of the church's ministry.

A friend testified about a deliverance session where the demon manifested, and when questioned about who it was targeting, it began listing the names and addresses of every church member in a particular church's congregation. Someone from the congregation was present (the afflicted person was from a different geographical area and did not attend that church) - the church member stated, incredulously, that the demon was giving factual data.

continued below.

Then she cricks her neck and in a slightly different voice she says "I work for Satan."

Again, blatant attempt by the demon to instill fear in the stylist, who was religious - and yes, the demon told the truth (which is unusual - they usually lie; it is in their nature - but they can tell the truth if it serves their greater purpose, of causing fear and servitude in their victims). The demon would have known about the woman's faith, because demons network just like people do. When they are targeting an establishment or group of any sort, they do their research before heading in.

moments later the woman starts singing in a quiet, child-like voice "here's the church, here's the steeple, open the doors and I'll kill 22 people... with a silencer and rifle... I love homicide... Homicide is my favorite thing."

More evidence that the demon is trying to instill fear, and more evidence of the truth of their networking activities. They are able to collate facts concerning the practical data of a situation, such as the previous example I cited regarding the demon that listed church attendees. The lady herself could not have known that 22 people work at the salon - it is evidence of demonic involvement.

Note the perversion of a nursery rhyme - perverting innocence is a demonic pastime.

What does strike me as unusual in this case, is that the demon is being so overt. Usually the afflicted person will not manifest a demon in such an extravagant way when in public, because the demons tend to operate best in secrecy. If they are too overt, it is likely that someone will cotton on, and get a suitable deliverance session arranged. Deliverance/ exorcism is real, and the demons when expelled can be ordered to go 'to the Lord of Spirits' - they are then at risk of being severely punished/ restrained from further activity, either indefinitely, or for a great length of time.

This woman proceeds to tell her stylist to put more bleach on her scalp because she likes "feeling the burn".

Demons actively seek to enjoy the sensations of the person they are infesting, eg sex. This includes pain, because they are masochistic to a certain degree, and have turned pain into a form of pleasure. They also take delight in causing physical suffering to their victim. Chemical burns would linger painfully after the demon recedes and allows the human personality back into full reign over her body, so the demons would be delighted that the lady would feel the pain at a later stage. They love to cause suffering...

When a demon is manifesting, the human personality is usually absent - cocooned in a section of their soul, unaware of what is happening (hence the apparent normalcy when she 'snaps back'). If they are not blissfully unaware, the person affected is held in a tormented state of being able to see what is happening, but being unable to do anything about it. This is horrendous, and victims, after deliverance has been performed, explain that life is a waking nightmare, as they can see the actions of the demon being perpetrated through their consciousness, and can feel pain, but are unable to force the demon 'out of the way' to regain control. Multiple demon infestation results in the victim feeling like they are in some sort of brutal prison - the other inmates are having a riot, torturing both the victim - and anyone else they can get their hands on out in the real world.

Demons, when fully possessing a person, can behave in certain ways that lead to massive problems for the infested person, and for others in their immediate sphere of influence. Demons can even spend years conversing with doctors, convincing the doctors that the demon personality is somehow only an aspect of the patient's personality. There are fine lines between organic multiple personality disorder, and actual demon infestation.

Almost every practicing psychiatrist has experience of talking with demons - relatively few of them publicly recognise/ acknowledge what is actually going on.

''Vroom vroom' ... " I'm pretending to be a mailman!! By the way, did I tell you that I love homicide?"

A form of deflection. The demon is causing the lady to act out childish, 'insane' behaviours, to muddy the waters and confuse the onlookers. Subtly reminds the questioner that it (the demon - not the woman) is interested in killing people. The demon swings from innocent, childish roleplay - to evil talk about killing.

She then cricks her neck again and almost in an evil way, asks my boss for a lighter. " you have a lighter, I know you must have a lighter."

Does your boss smoke? If so, it seems the demon has done its research and is trying to scare the living daylights out of your boss by use of 'impossible personal knowledge' - known as preternatural knowledge. Also evidenced in the knowledge of there being 22 employees.

Links to follow later on.

reply to post by odinson


DO NOT instruct people to engage in deliverance ministry without the right knowledge, faith, experience and prayer support. What an irresponsible thing to do.

In addition, you should never engage in ministry of this sort without the willing consent of the patient and their family/ medical professionals.

A careful, sensitive approach to multiple-angle treatment is required, not a 'holy gun-slinger' with some consecrated water and a roughshod attitude to the patient's well-being.

Well,, youy certainly have inspired a number of options:

1. She's schizophrenic
2. She had multiple personality disorder
3. She's "crazy"
4. She's on bath salts
5. She's on crack coc aine
6. She's on [insert favorite drug here]
7. She's possessed by a demon

And the solutions?

1. Call the cops
2. Don't call the cops
3. Talk to her
4. Throw her out
5. Google her
6. Play detective
7. Diagnose her yourself

Hope you got what you wanted.

reply to post by DoxieCircus
You need to tell your supervisor that they need to call the police and inform them of what was said, as a precautionary measure and to play it safe. It may just be a person with a mental illness, but that makes the situation even more dangerous when you think about it.

All other advice, besides refusing her service, is rubbish. Notify the authorities - Should something bad actually happen at the hands of this person, you'll regret it and be the subject of an investigation.

Have your manager go to the police, tell them her name and tell them what happened, tell them what she said about killing!!

The probably allready know about her


Then it's up to the manager to decide to keep her bussiness


With that done, just keep working, if it gets too uncomfortable then find another job




Be safe people

What you all need to do immediately is, exercise authority over the spirits that are in this woman,

By you acting like your ignoring it your doing exactly what they want. There's only one thing that this woman needs and that is deliverance and that's only going to come through the Lord. Don't let a person that has no experience with these things to tell you its a medical problem because its not. Just like Tourette's.

Because they are very real. PM if you like i'll help you in any way I can.

That is something crazy.
I have read OP and first thing i thought was some person beign weird. I had a freind who would do stuff like that just to get a rise out of people. All I know I would have probably left for the rest of the day, if i was in your shoes.

But Then I remember what happened one day wheni worked at store.

We had this lady come into the store, she just wandered around. No big deal its a store, most people just look around till they find something they want. She was in the womans appareal, which at the time was right next to sporting goods, (the department i worked in). She would cock her head in a similar fashion, and just start laughing. She would look at the bras, socks, and say "honey do you like these?" as speaking to another person. She would start laughing again, look down at the floor, she would bend down and pet a cat? i guess, even though i could not see one. At this point I called my manager over, he just watched her, looked at me and said WTF!? Fortunately she purchased her stuff, and jumped on the local public transit bus.

When I got home I told my mom about it, who worked at the time for a mental health group. She told me it was most likely some one who had some issues and should not have been out on their own.

reply to post by DoxieCircus


I have an aunt who is paranoia schizophrenia (sp?). Most everything you've described, describes my aunt. My aunt takes a monthly shot and every month she gets like that near her medication time. The killing people part is when it needs to be reported. If a threat is made then they will lock her up and get her on some medication. My aunt was 25 before any signs began. She started to believe a newslady was after and stabbed her step father with a fork thinking it was really the newslady. That was when they got her locked up and got her on meds. But this is the kind of disease that can be drug induced and in my aunts case she's never stopped using street drugs which makes it worse all the time. Also, I have a very young smart teen in my family that's been using meth for a couple years.... now he acts the same way making evil grins and strange faces. They say he hasn't been on the drugs for a while but i also know that meth can have both permanent and long lasting neurological damage. Sounds like drugs or mental issues. With the threat and homicide loving tendencies... I'd call authorities, if not for your safety for the safety of the womans family and possible children involved.

reply to post by DoxieCircus


Have only read your Op. YES, contact the authorities. Now off to read the thread, what a mess!!!

Originally posted by SeenAlot
Very entertaining thread, indeed.

I especially enjoyed the armchair psychology. (Bo Xian, perhaps a review of your counting skills is in order).

LOL. The 2.1 is an indication of an after-thought.

Have had a computer or terminal in my home since writing my PhD Dissertation by terminal hooked to UCSD's mainframe in 1976. I was helpful in preventing a suicide around 1981 or 1982 on one of Compuserve's early forums . . . and a number of such since then.

Many folks will be vulnerable, open and seek help online WHO WOULD NEVER DARKEN A THERAPIST'S DOOR. I do what I can online as seems fitting and as I'm able given other priorities. A surprising number of ATSers have expressed a ton of gratitude privately for such help. I'm certainly not ashamed, in the least, of offering and giving such help regardless of the catty comments some folks make regarding such efforts.

Of course there are limitations in assessment and in providing such help online. Nevertheless, many lives of ATSers as well as more on other sites have been changed for the better and some lives saved because I've had the courage to bother.

I think your points below are very worthwhile points worth acting on, imho.

This is not the least bit funny. Clever. Or worthy of such ridiculous advise. Diagnostics are unimportant.

If there were any shrinks in the thread, posting at all, the first thing you should be doing is DISCLOSURE!!

OP, if a patient went into a counseling session making the statements she made inside your salon, a TRAINED therapist (at any level of training), would pick up the phone and call the non-emergency number for the police.

Ask to make a report. Collect EVERYTHING concrete you have, receipts, video, signatures, etc. if Po-Po says there is nothing they can do, for whatever lame-ass reason they give, fine. You could ask to have a plain clothes officer to just be present for her next appt. for your protection. Officer Friendly will probably not comply with that. Get the card ofthe officer that takes report. Call him/her when she makes her next apt, and report that to the same officer.

The next time she arrives in your store and gives ANY indication of unusual/threatening behavior (even verbal descriptions of harming others)-CALL 9-1-1!!! Do so outside the range of her hearing. Calmly give your address, explain there is a woman in your store - at this point quote anything she has said that leaves you feeling afraid (and I believe any woman singing church songs about spree killing counts as being worthy of fear).

Don't second guess yourself. You know nothing of her. Self preservation is nothing to be ashamed of. Saving two dozen lives is possible.

Originally posted by DoxieCircus
reply to post by drewatkin

 

If my manager and the owner lets me have it then I will definitely post it. Ideally want to see what she did in the back of the salon when she was out of everyone's view,

I don't think it's wise or loving and possibly not safe legally to post such a video--CERTAINLY NOT without blacking out her face and any identifying dress features.

reply to post by BO XIAN


The thing about our cameras is that they are kind of blurry and sort of "skip"... It's not like a continuous recording so I doubt we will see anything.

reply to post by DoxieCircus


Go ahead and call the police now and report what happened with this lady. Talking about homicide and killing 22 people is certainly reasonable cause for going to the police. I think you have to.