John Moore Nibiru updates - can you afford to ignore this?

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by phantomjack

 

You can not claim that "Atlantis does not Exist" or that it never existed. Prove it. There are more ancient writings that reference it existing than those writings that don't.

There is exactly one "ancient" text. Plato's.

There have been others written after Plato.

And I am not the only one who thinks it exists, as many spend millions of dollars on research looking for it.

Again, neither your theory or mine can be proven or disproven.

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What could we expect? How close before we would notice effects. Would it make higher tides long before arrival? Would it cause disruptions or storms on the other planets in our system....what in as much detail as possible would it do?

It would have little effect on tides unless it was very close. It would not affect weather.
See some of these posts to see what we could expect if something like Nibiru existed.
Simulations

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
reply to post by eriktheawful

 

If they had to "add" five days at the end of the year it was obviously 5 days shorter than the current year. Just Google Egyptian calendar 360 days and see what you come up with.

No. They didn't make a new calendar by adding 5 days just once to their old calendar after the supposed big Nibiru fly-by that you say lengthened the year.

Rather they always had two calendars -- a solar and a lunar. the lunar calendar was set up in logical, user-friendly 30 day increments that work with the lunar cycles. It consisted of twelve 30-day months, and considering the lunar cycle was something obvious to all, it was used as a basis -- i.e., everyone would easily be able to notice the full moon as a way to keep track of cycles.

It's not like they had a pre-Nibiru 360-day calendar, then suddenly found a need to create a 365 day post-Nibiru calendar. That's not how these calendars came to be.

reply to post by phantomjack

There have been others written after Plato.

And their source was?

Originally posted by phantomjack

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by phantomjack

 

You can not claim that "Atlantis does not Exist" or that it never existed. Prove it. There are more ancient writings that reference it existing than those writings that don't.

There is exactly one "ancient" text. Plato's.

There have been others written after Plato.

And I am not the only one who thinks it exists, as many spend millions of dollars on research looking for it.

Again, neither your theory or mine can be proven or disproven.

Plato's writings could have just been intentional hyperbole. There is evidence that the island of Santorini was had a thriving culture (even pre-dating Plato) until one day when a volcano exploded and destroyed that ancient culture (a destruction also pre-dating Plato)

Back in Plato's time, there could have been stories and folk tales handed down about these people on Santorini -- folk tales that could have been exaggerated over the years -- and Plato could simply have been expanding on these exaggerated folk tales.

Plato's account of Atlantis was not first-hand, but rather a retelling of old stories.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by phantomjack

 

There have been others written after Plato.

And their source was?

Well, the logical answer to your question is....Plato.

But that doesn't prove that Plato was inventing his hypothesis as he went along.

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Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by Ophiuchus 13

 

SO YOUR ANSWER IS NO YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THE ANNUNAKI VISITED EA*RTH. THANKS FOR SHARING I WISH I COULD SEE WHERE YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION IN DIRECT YES OR NO FASHION w/o dancing around the answer. But its cool in your heart you know they werehere before. You just dont want to own up as to how they got here for it shatteres your profile look and you cannot have that happen. You know the real deal though so I am cool with that and how many profiles do you have I wonder???

Read what I posted.

They did not get here. They are myth. Only the gullible that have been duped by charlatans think otherwise.

just curious I don't often reply in these threads although I do find them fascinating.What I want to know is why do you waste your time trying to debunk planetx threads?Why do you care enough to convince others that this isn't real?
If I didn't believe a particular conspiracy I would say my piece and move on.To me it's time consuming to spend so much time on something you have no belief in,am I missing something?

I'm not trying to give you a hard time so don't take this the wrong way,as I do admire your knowledge of the cosmos,like I said I'm just curious.

In my opinion whether it's out there or not there's not much anyone can do about it anyway...right?
If and thats a big if it shows itself will you apologize to all of the believers?...lol

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I can field this one. In 2003 Nancy Lieder predicted the Earth would be impacted by Planet X. On the radio she told people to kill their pets. If you go to her site, ZetaTalk, you will see she has a large number of followers that believe her unconditionally so it is likely at least a few people killed their pets. When 2003 came and passed with no Planet X impact she told people she lied to throw off TPTB. She now states that the actual date is December 21, 2012. So what happens this time? What if she once again tells her followers to kill their pets? Worse, what if this time she tells them to kill their children or themselves?

Earlier this year a young girl killed herself after reading about 2012 doomsday theories. Now I'm not saying that 2012 was the only cause for her suicide but it does seem to be a contributing factor. This is supported by the fact that NASA has received a number of letters, mainly from children, saying that they are contemplating suicide because of 2012 and Planet X theories.

I have made no move to hide my opinion that 2012 and Planet X theories are the most dangerous allowed on this site. They have no scientific, archaeological, or historic support yet there are thousands that are afraid of them. Their believers have an almost cult like faith in their existence. They act more like sheeple than the people they foist that title upon. At best these theories lead to people who run towards ignorance with open arms, which is the antithesis of what this site stands for. At worst they can lead to death and tragedy. That is why I, and I think many others, continue to argue against the nonsense that is Nibiru even if it seems like no progress is made. In the end if we can save even one life or open one mind it will have all been worth it.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by TWILITE22

 

I can field this one. In 2003 Nancy Lieder predicted the Earth would be impacted by Planet X. On the radio she told people to kill their pets. If you go to her site, ZetaTalk, you will see she has a large number of followers that believe her unconditionally so it is likely at least a few people killed their pets. When 2003 came and passed with no Planet X impact she told people she lied to throw off TPTB. She now states that the actual date is December 21, 2012. So what happens this time? What if she once again tells her followers to kill their pets? Worse, what if this time she tells them to kill their children or themselves?

Earlier this year a young girl killed herself after reading about 2012 doomsday theories. Now I'm not saying that 2012 was the only cause for her suicide but it does seem to be a contributing factor. This is supported by the fact that NASA has received a number of letters, mainly from children, saying that they are contemplating suicide because of 2012 and Planet X theories.

I have made no move to hide my opinion that 2012 and Planet X theories are the most dangerous allowed on this site. They have no scientific, archaeological, or historic support yet there are thousands that are afraid of them. Their believers have an almost cult like faith in their existence. They act more like sheeple than the people they foist that title upon. At best these theories lead to people who run towards ignorance with open arms, which is the antithesis of what this site stands for. At worst they can lead to death and tragedy. That is why I, and I think many others, continue to argue against the nonsense that is Nibiru even if it seems like no progress is made. In the end if we can save even one life or open one mind it will have all been worth it.

So the answer is ?Love? Love of fellow man.

I actually think most of the believers in Planet X type scenario on ATS have show a lot of healthy questioning and skepticism and not all out fanatic belief.

Honestly anyone who would listen to the nut-jobs who tell them to kill their pets and that they KNOW something unverifiable by all of us average humans will do what they will no matter what anyone says on ATS.

As far as any subject being "allowed' I can't see why speculation of the movement of unknown bodies around, near, or through our space should not interest a person and be a reasonable discussion.

Human society is only just beginning to learn and understand what is around us. We do know that destruction has come in the past and that the planets in our system have lost past seas and atmospheres. Very reasonable to want to discuss this past and future.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Char-Lee

 

What could we expect? How close before we would notice effects. Would it make higher tides long before arrival? Would it cause disruptions or storms on the other planets in our system....what in as much detail as possible would it do?

It would have little effect on tides unless it was very close. It would not affect weather.
See some of these posts to see what we could expect if something like Nibiru existed.
Simulations

edit on 7/26/2012 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Thanks..wow that is a one man thread there.

You GOYIM are easy to control, the cycle will repeat,you see Ahmadinejad,bush, world leaders giving the sign of the devil.Iran is part of the order of Satan they are all working together.Judaism is innocent we will cleanse all
christian, Jews and atheists.

The upside down cross on the black popes throne,the upside down stars on republican ballot in Bush
time.The agents releasing all in the end times, Wilcox Jones,Fulford,they are we.
You ever wonder why in caves and biblical times the gods had airplanes depicted not discs.
Discs also on some ancient writings,We are the great deceivers,we will use NIBIRU for our
purpose call me god in five years .Oh so sad we are all bad wake up.

The repeating cycle NIBIRU.

reply to post by Phage

because Nibiru does not exist.

Nibiru does exist. The ancient people have spoken about it.

reply to post by Phage


Woah! How did you do that? I was just thinking the other day I needed a way to filter posts in a thread to a specific user.

reply to post by Phage


I just wanted to add something here, I find it funny your location says planet 10 ( on your avatar ) And when I typed in google " the 10th planet of the sol" added ar system nibiru.

Just a funny coincidence

Nibiru does exist. The ancient people have spoken about it.

No it doesn't! I have yet to see undeniable proof of Nibiru's existence. Every astronomers on Earth would have tracked that object for the last ten years if it existed.

reply to post by Xcalibur254
Because Phage is the real person behind ATS.

Sorry Phage but you let the cat out of the bag yourself.

-saige-

I see this is a thread of many maybes and theories so Ill add one (for fun). What if it was never a planet at all but instead a massive spaceship to which could have been depicted as being a planet. In this scenario no orbital disruption.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by TWILITE22

 

I can field this one. In 2003 Nancy Lieder predicted the Earth would be impacted by Planet X. On the radio she told people to kill their pets. If you go to her site, ZetaTalk, you will see she has a large number of followers that believe her unconditionally so it is likely at least a few people killed their pets. When 2003 came and passed with no Planet X impact she told people she lied to throw off TPTB. She now states that the actual date is December 21, 2012. So what happens this time? What if she once again tells her followers to kill their pets? Worse, what if this time she tells them to kill their children or themselves?

Earlier this year a young girl killed herself after reading about 2012 doomsday theories. Now I'm not saying that 2012 was the only cause for her suicide but it does seem to be a contributing factor. This is supported by the fact that NASA has received a number of letters, mainly from children, saying that they are contemplating suicide because of 2012 and Planet X theories.

I have made no move to hide my opinion that 2012 and Planet X theories are the most dangerous allowed on this site. They have no scientific, archaeological, or historic support yet there are thousands that are afraid of them. Their believers have an almost cult like faith in their existence. They act more like sheeple than the people they foist that title upon. At best these theories lead to people who run towards ignorance with open arms, which is the antithesis of what this site stands for. At worst they can lead to death and tragedy. That is why I, and I think many others, continue to argue against the nonsense that is Nibiru even if it seems like no progress is made. In the end if we can save even one life or open one mind it will have all been worth it.

I actually think, if we're going to be serious, that you've made a great point.

People love to "speculate" on ATS and other sites and think it's basically a joke or whatever, but... there are people out there that take this VERY seriously. Anyone but me remember the 9/11 truther who tried to shoot his way into the Pentagon?

The other, more ominous side-effect, of all of this talk is that, and I hate to say this as people will immediately react negatively I'm sure, but... we in no position to have a government we can't trust, and a media, and science... and yet, while the government plays political games, and the media is obsessed with chasing money (i.e. not going bankrupt) and science has been politicised... well, that's what we have...

It's hugely bad for all of us..

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