The gay agenda and why it bothers me: An analogy

Originally posted by pacifier2012
Firstly there is an agenda for every grouping of people that believe in something whether it be good, bad or indifferent.

I don't mind homosexuals being homosexual but I do mind them getting angry at my belief that that homosexuality is not normal.

I once had a group of people protesting against a political party that was against homosexuality. The homosexuals were yelling and calling the people intolerant bigots etc (and worse).

So I asked the homosexuals what a bigot was and they said this....

"Someone who is grossly intolerant of someone else views.."

To which I said "Isn't that what you are doing right now?".....


.... and they went silent for about 3 minutes and slowly walked way.. all 73 of them.


Homosexual militants are bigots.

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Awwww, you mind being called a bigot, because you have bigoted views? Awww, poor baby. Need a tissue?

It's hilarious how anti-gay bigots have no problem condemning gay people, yet cry when called out on that and cry when they are rightfully called bigots.

If you choose to be anti-gay, you choose the condemnation that comes with that. If you don't appreciate the condemnation, you shouldn't be anti-gay.

Originally posted by pacifier2012

You totally missed the point... but those homosexual protesters didn't.

Mind you they were intelligent university types so actually saw the truth in it.

Now of course feel free to get upset because I 'obviously' meant you weren't intelligent enough to pick up the point... as is usual with homosexuals... look for everything to feel cornered.

Oh I get the point. You don't like gays, and you think they should all keep quiet and let their rights to equality be taken away - as is usual with bigots.

Originally posted by crazydaysandnights

Originally posted by pacifier2012
Firstly there is an agenda for every grouping of people that believe in something whether it be good, bad or indifferent.

I don't mind homosexuals being homosexual but I do mind them getting angry at my belief that that homosexuality is not normal.

I once had a group of people protesting against a political party that was against homosexuality. The homosexuals were yelling and calling the people intolerant bigots etc (and worse).

So I asked the homosexuals what a bigot was and they said this....

"Someone who is grossly intolerant of someone else views.."

To which I said "Isn't that what you are doing right now?".....


.... and they went silent for about 3 minutes and slowly walked way.. all 73 of them.


Homosexual militants are bigots.

edit on 24-7-2012 by pacifier2012 because: .

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Awwww, you mind being called a bigot, because you have bigoted views? Awww, poor baby. Need a tissue?

It's hilarious how anti-gay bigots have no problem condemning gay people, yet cry when called out on that and cry when they are rightfully called bigots.

If you choose to be anti-gay, you choose the condemnation that comes with that. If you don't appreciate the condemnation, you shouldn't be anti-gay.

If there was a gay agenda, you'd be the perfect spokesperson

Homophobes should really stop telling the gay community what to think and do. No-one really cares about you people, and no-one has to adhere to anything you say. You're not important, you all may freak out and obsess with gay people, but the opposite ain't true, trust me, gay people, pro-gay straights, we have actual lives. Just like the racists, you're becoming little more than a walking punchline in many societies. Quit crying about being called homophobes and bigots, too. It's not as if you care to think twice about being anti-gay or saying anti-gay things, so hey, if the shoe fits, wear it. You all put yourselves in this position, now you're having a cry because things are changing. Life is all about change, embrace it or be prepared to get left behind.

Originally posted by KibbleChild
I think homosexuality is despicable. It is a grotesque opposite of being natural.

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Sorry to the "politically correct" police.

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You shouldn't say sorry to the PC police. You should be sorry that you're so uneducated and ignorant. You actually *are* sorry, period.

Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by mikeone718

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by mikeone718
worst part to me is the fact that kids are exposed to this just as much as i am, so now when i have a few of my own, if i dont push the "gay is great" agenda, we'll be seen as bearded terrorists.

I pushed the 'tolerance' agenda with my kids. My son's best friend has two moms and my daughter's best neighbourhood pals are two guys with a son and a daughter. They worked it out pretty well all by themselves, and that, my friend, is all that matters. Live and let live.

live and let live is just fine, but having ideas forced down your throat is another matter all together, thats what matters to me.

i like my smart phone, but you wouldnt see me knocking on all my neighbors doors, checking to see if they have that smart phone and calling them backwards if they didnt. sure tolerance is great, but how much is too far when just about every show on tv has to feature some sort of homosexual?

How would you feel if having a smart phone was not considered "normal"? You and the few others who had smart phones were taunted, teased, made to feel like second-class citizens. You were told every day that you weren't "normal" for having a smart phone. People didn't want to hire you as soon as they realized you had a smart phone. Everyone expected you to keep your smart phone under wraps while in public, and to never take it out where someone had to see it, while the "normal" people had flip-phones, and they were allowed to take theirs out whenever they wanted. Wouldn't you get tired of that kind of treatment after a while?

im pretty sure that replying to this thread was a bad idea.

everyone in this country has been discriminated against at some point, except for the majority of course. i have yet to see it become the "in" thing to be latino, or eastern european, or something else that isnt the majority.

youre never going to be fully accepted. itll become like interracial relationships, illegal immigration, women in the workplace...etc.

i just dont understand why it has to be everywhere. what i also dont understand is why i have to be forced to accept your ideas, but youre not tolerant of mine...not you specifically.

Originally posted by King_John

Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by King_John

There's a difference between hiding and not flaunting and making a huge show of it. Riding down the street in floats wearing skimpy outfits making a huge deal of your sexual orientation does what exactly? Why be proud to be gay? You should take pride in your accomplishments and achievements not something that you have no control over.

You don't like gay pride parades because you don't like gays. Only a small segment of gays even participate in those parades. But you focus on the gay pride parades, because that's your best argument for forcing all gays back into the closet.

I've said repeatedly in here I have no problem with gays, I couldn't care less who a man or woman are attracted to and am totally against denying rights to gay people. That small segment of gays are the ones I'm talking about, not gays in general, those that find it necessary to flaunt their homosexuality out in the open and make a huge show of it are the ones that annoy me.

If you have nothing against gays, then you'd make the beef about personality, not sexuality, but you aren't doing that.

The only ways one can flaunt their orientation is by either having public sex/displays of affection, or by literally announcing their orientation. Outside of that, you cannot flaunt something that is an immutable mental trait. So, sorry, you simply see what you want to see. Flamboyant personalities are flamboyant personalities. That has little to do with orientation. And since it is NOT HARMING YOU IN ANY WAY, you really have no beef at all except it "annoys" you, and in that case, you'll just have to get over yourself, because no-one has to change their personality to assuage you.

Originally posted by mikeone718

Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by mikeone718

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by mikeone718
worst part to me is the fact that kids are exposed to this just as much as i am, so now when i have a few of my own, if i dont push the "gay is great" agenda, we'll be seen as bearded terrorists.

I pushed the 'tolerance' agenda with my kids. My son's best friend has two moms and my daughter's best neighbourhood pals are two guys with a son and a daughter. They worked it out pretty well all by themselves, and that, my friend, is all that matters. Live and let live.

live and let live is just fine, but having ideas forced down your throat is another matter all together, thats what matters to me.

i like my smart phone, but you wouldnt see me knocking on all my neighbors doors, checking to see if they have that smart phone and calling them backwards if they didnt. sure tolerance is great, but how much is too far when just about every show on tv has to feature some sort of homosexual?

How would you feel if having a smart phone was not considered "normal"? You and the few others who had smart phones were taunted, teased, made to feel like second-class citizens. You were told every day that you weren't "normal" for having a smart phone. People didn't want to hire you as soon as they realized you had a smart phone. Everyone expected you to keep your smart phone under wraps while in public, and to never take it out where someone had to see it, while the "normal" people had flip-phones, and they were allowed to take theirs out whenever they wanted. Wouldn't you get tired of that kind of treatment after a while?

im pretty sure that replying to this thread was a bad idea.

everyone in this country has been discriminated against at some point, except for the majority of course. i have yet to see it become the "in" thing to be latino, or eastern european, or something else that isnt the majority.

youre never going to be fully accepted. itll become like interracial relationships, illegal immigration, women in the workplace...etc.

i just dont understand why it has to be everywhere. what i also dont understand is why i have to be forced to accept your ideas, but youre not tolerant of mine...not you specifically.

Being gay is an "in" thing? Could have fooled me. It's just becoming more visible. More kids are experimenting out of curiosity. That doesn't make being gay an "in" thing whatsoever.

Since gay people exist in mainstream society, you're going to see them/it in your every day life. Sorry, but that's the reality of the situation. Gay people exist, and you can't do anything about it. You'll have to get over it, and whether you want to accept homosexuality or not, you do have to accept the facts of life. Instead of fighting it, just get over your biases and move on.

Originally posted by jheated5

Originally posted by crazydaysandnights

Originally posted by pacifier2012
Firstly there is an agenda for every grouping of people that believe in something whether it be good, bad or indifferent.

I don't mind homosexuals being homosexual but I do mind them getting angry at my belief that that homosexuality is not normal.

I once had a group of people protesting against a political party that was against homosexuality. The homosexuals were yelling and calling the people intolerant bigots etc (and worse).

So I asked the homosexuals what a bigot was and they said this....

"Someone who is grossly intolerant of someone else views.."

To which I said "Isn't that what you are doing right now?".....


.... and they went silent for about 3 minutes and slowly walked way.. all 73 of them.


Homosexual militants are bigots.

edit on 24-7-2012 by pacifier2012 because: .

edit on 24-7-2012 by pacifier2012 because: (no reason given)

Awwww, you mind being called a bigot, because you have bigoted views? Awww, poor baby. Need a tissue?

It's hilarious how anti-gay bigots have no problem condemning gay people, yet cry when called out on that and cry when they are rightfully called bigots.

If you choose to be anti-gay, you choose the condemnation that comes with that. If you don't appreciate the condemnation, you shouldn't be anti-gay.

If there was a gay agenda, you'd be the perfect spokesperson

Thanks! I think I'd do well if I may say so myself

Originally posted by mikeone718
point well made.

although i dont have any phobia of gays (nyc is probably the gayest city on earth), i dont see why there has to be so much "gayness" around me. i feel that the hipsters have brought this agenda here and have really been pushing it.

worst part to me is the fact that kids are exposed to this just as much as i am, so now when i have a few of my own, if i dont push the "gay is great" agenda, we'll be seen as bearded terrorists.

Yes, you do have a phobia of gay people, hence you want to avoid them. Sorry, but you live in NYC. Hence, there will be gayness around you, and the gay community will be targeted in ads, by business, there are many gay and mixed clubs in NYC. The gay community is woven into the social fabric of NYC, and anti-gays are not. So you have to make the decision, if you continue to choose your anti-gay ways, whether your willing to give them up or not. If you're not willing to do so, then maybe moving would be the best case scenario. Then you wouldn't have to worry about your kid associating with a large community of gay people, and you can brainwash them to be a bigot, like their dad.

That OP was 1 of the best things I've ever read on ATS.

Thought provoking, relevant analogy! Star/Flag for you sir.

Originally posted by kaylaluv

How would you feel if having a smart phone was not considered "normal"? You and the few others who had smart phones were taunted, teased, made to feel like second-class citizens. You were told every day that you weren't "normal" for having a smart phone. People didn't want to hire you as soon as they realized you had a smart phone. Everyone expected you to keep your smart phone under wraps while in public, and to never take it out where someone had to see it, while the "normal" people had flip-phones, and they were allowed to take theirs out whenever they wanted. Wouldn't you get tired of that kind of treatment after a while?

Is this really what gay people live? I have never seen this. I have grown up with homosexual adults around me, then had many homosexual friends and co-workers (having been in theater and then cosmetology...), and each time what I see is nobody giving a cr°p that they are gay, but they constantly talking about it, challenging others about it, trying to provoke reaction about it. To the point that many of the ones I know don't seem to have anything else to their personality except their homosexuality and what seems to be their inability to just "get over it " and go on with enjoying life!

I guess environment matters or something.....

reply to post by 3n19m470


People who are truly not anti-gay do not have to put qualifiers, nor do they have conditions. So at the end of the day, if people choose to say they are not anti-gay, they can, but actions speak louder than words, and if the actions don't align with the words, then that person is going to get called out.

Being anti-gay isn't an agree/disagree position. It's a belief, and it's a wrong belief.

Originally posted by Bluesma

Originally posted by kaylaluv

How would you feel if having a smart phone was not considered "normal"? You and the few others who had smart phones were taunted, teased, made to feel like second-class citizens. You were told every day that you weren't "normal" for having a smart phone. People didn't want to hire you as soon as they realized you had a smart phone. Everyone expected you to keep your smart phone under wraps while in public, and to never take it out where someone had to see it, while the "normal" people had flip-phones, and they were allowed to take theirs out whenever they wanted. Wouldn't you get tired of that kind of treatment after a while?

Is this really what gay people live? I have never seen this. I have grown up with homosexual adults around me, then had many homosexual friends and co-workers, and each time what I see is nobody giving a cr°p that they are gay, but they constantly talking about it, challenging others about it, trying to provoke reaction about it. To the point that many of the ones I know don't seem to have anything else to their personality except their homsexuality and what seems to be their inability to just get over it and go on with enjoying their life!

I guess it must matter where you live or something...

It has to do with seeing what you want to see, not residency.

Originally posted by crazydaysandnights


It has to do with seeing what you want to see, not residency.

So you've been to many countries then? Have you seen the attitudes in the nordic countries, for example? Just the difference beyween the Bible belt and west coast of the US is enormous!

I have been very close with a couple of gay men that played the victim card constantly, as a manipulative tactic.
It got them attention it allowed them to manipulate people, it got them to the head of the cafeteria line in college!
They actually would be honest and laugh about that, and how stupid straight people could be.

I am sure that real predjudice happens in some places... but if you go to extremes you open the door for some ideals to be abused too.

Originally posted by Jobeycool
The hatred of the jews in WW2 started out the same exact way.Media is doing it to conseravtives who are simply saying they have a right to not vote for gay marriage as gay people have a right to vote for gay marriage.Or a right to not believe in gay marriage as much as they have a right to believe in it.
I fear the conservatives who are against gay marriage will now be looked at as terrible human beings because of the secular lies.

There are plenty of non-secular (hint: religious) people who are certainly not at all in agreement with the anti-gay agenda and how anti-gay bigots have railroaded organized religion to push a cause they know would have absolutely no legs otherwise. There are many pro-gay conservatives.

You have the right to be anti-gay, and everyone else, if they so choose, has the right to call you out on that choice.

Originally posted by Bluesma

Originally posted by kaylaluv

How would you feel if having a smart phone was not considered "normal"? You and the few others who had smart phones were taunted, teased, made to feel like second-class citizens. You were told every day that you weren't "normal" for having a smart phone. People didn't want to hire you as soon as they realized you had a smart phone. Everyone expected you to keep your smart phone under wraps while in public, and to never take it out where someone had to see it, while the "normal" people had flip-phones, and they were allowed to take theirs out whenever they wanted. Wouldn't you get tired of that kind of treatment after a while?

Is this really what gay people live? I have never seen this. I have grown up with homosexual adults around me, then had many homosexual friends and co-workers (having been in theater and then cosmetology...), and each time what I see is nobody giving a cr°p that they are gay, but they constantly talking about it, challenging others about it, trying to provoke reaction about it. To the point that many of the ones I know don't seem to have anything else to their personality except their homosexuality and what seems to be their inability to just "get over it " and go on with enjoying life!

I guess environment matters or something.....

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This is a good point. I have lost count of how many gay friends I purposely drifted from for the following:
1)Constantly 'probing' me as to how 'straight' I really am as my brother is gay, so must I be their eyes.
2) Touching or ridiculously heavily flirting with me which would be harassment if I did that to a women.
3) Talking non-stop about gay things, what it is like to be gay etc
4) Acting in public like a terribly exaggerated woman.
5) Acting 'gay and flirty' to my friends and making suggestive comments if they are muscled or good looking and sometimes making my friends uncomfortable with the rude gestures and comments.

I am sure other straight men (not a woman so I can;t say about women) can relate to this from time to time. I have a gay brother so hanging with his gay crew was something which happened often (and I had always known my brother was gay because he was more like a girl in action) as was them insisting of talking about having gay sex. I don't want to talk about that and if you need to be told that it is inappropriate conversation, you are too ignorant to be my friend. Simple.

If these things honestly make me a closet homo-sexual homophobic idiot.... So be it.

The gay agenda is simply equal civil rights... to be respected on par with a heterosexual counterpart. This parity does not currently exist nationwide and since gays pay taxes and contribute to the GDP, they each deserve the same civil respect.

People can hate and restrict all they want to within the church walls and in their homes. But, overall, this nation is a better place when fewer queers kill themselves because "well-meaning" church goers told them it'd be better to die than commit a sin again. Of course, same "well-meaning" church goers cling to their divorces, cigarettes, pork, poly-blend garments, and not outcasting women during their menses.

Ultimately, Jesus commanded Love God with all your heart and mind... and love they neighbor as thyself. These are the two supreme commandments wherein we are told (by Christ Jesus Himself) that we can focus on these and that'll lead to us not breaking any of God's other laws. As we can see from the Pharisees, focusing on all of God's laws grossly missed the element of who God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ really is: LOVE.

When we LOVE, Christ can work through us. When we judge (get that plank out!), we build a fortress that makes it difficult for that individual and God to meet and work that all out. An aspect of LOVE is allowing equal respect in civil society... and somewhat within churches.

HOWEVER, we must all recognize which aspects of the so-called "gay agenda" are actually initiatives driven by the Communist Party with the aim of subverting the sovereignty of our country. These would be more accurately viewed, IMHO, if we all separated these aspects from "gay equality" and talk about them as Communist Subversion. The communist subversion tactics must be stopped, while civil equality can be allowed.

Originally posted by Bluesma

Originally posted by crazydaysandnights


It has to do with seeing what you want to see, not residency.

So you've been to many countries then? Have you seen the attitudes in the nordic countries, for example? Just the difference beyween the Bible belt and west coast of the US is enormous!

I have been very close with a couple of gay men that played the victim card constantly, as a manipulative tactic.
It got them attention it allowed them to manipulate people, it got them to the head of the cafeteria line in college!
They actually would be honest and laugh about that, and how stupid straight people could be.

I am sure that real predjudice happens in some places... but if you go to extremes you open the door for some ideals to be abused too.

edit on 24-7-2012 by Bluesma because: (no reason given)

You shouldn't use examples of con artists to base a view point regarding an entire community on.

BTW, LGBT people are victims of discrimination, the great majority of us. I've been to enough states (I haven't traveled outside of the US) to realize that, discrimination happens everywhere. Some places less than others, but there is homophobia in every single city in every single country in the world.

reply to post by Dhimmie


And how many gays have you known in your life? How many gays are there in the world?

I see, so you're using your experiences with this relatively small handful of individuals whom you've clearly met quite randomly in order to label, judge, and ridicule an entire category.

I bow to your superior logic.