The gay agenda and why it bothers me: An analogy

point well made.

although i dont have any phobia of gays (nyc is probably the gayest city on earth), i dont see why there has to be so much "gayness" around me. i feel that the hipsters have brought this agenda here and have really been pushing it.

worst part to me is the fact that kids are exposed to this just as much as i am, so now when i have a few of my own, if i dont push the "gay is great" agenda, we'll be seen as bearded terrorists.

Originally posted by mikeone718
worst part to me is the fact that kids are exposed to this just as much as i am, so now when i have a few of my own, if i dont push the "gay is great" agenda, we'll be seen as bearded terrorists.

I pushed the 'tolerance' agenda with my kids. My son's best friend has two moms and my daughter's best neighbourhood pals are two guys with a son and a daughter. They worked it out pretty well all by themselves, and that, my friend, is all that matters. Live and let live.

You should go for writer status, your thoughts are written out very clearly and in an entertaining manner. In fact, you went out of your way to approach the issue with a neutral stance, an analogy and even saying that you have nothing against gays and are not particularly religious.

I think you brought up a good issue in a very tactful way. Although I believe in a lot of liberal ideals, they tend to do this same kind of thing with every agenda they have, even to the point of portraying those who don't agree with them as woodland savages.

At least it's somewhat predictable, it makes it easier in social situations for me ha.

Originally posted by jjkenobi
Yes yes yes they are. Gay parades, gay bike rides, gay characters in nearly every TV show and movie, repeated gay marriage props (which get voted down every time). All of it together equals what we call an agenda? If it isn't to try to get more people to accept homosexuality as normal then what is it for?

Have you ever seen a parade of heterosexuals with signs talking about how normal it is and how great it is?

Oh, gosh. No, that's not an agenda. Let me explain the basics of that to you.

1 — Televison: There are gay characters on television because — and this may be shocking — there are plenty of gay people in real life. The gay people you 'know' in the real world? Chances are that is just a fraction of the men or women you know who are homosexual. Homosexuality is still a huge target on the backs of many and that is why we only found out that Sally Ride, the first American woman in space, was a lesbian after she died very recently.

For the record, 'nearly every TV show' doesn't have a gay character. A huge proportion of gay television characters are used as plot devices and the shows that do feature homosexual characters in the forefront (Glee, Modern Family) have strong opposition. I recommend you watch these shows, among the top twenty most critically acclaimed in the past season, if you are looking for popular television with no realistic gay presence:

Breaking Bad, The Big Bang Theory, The Walking Dead, How I Met Your Mother, Dexter, Sherlock, The Newsroom, White Collar, Falling Skies

Weird, where are the two main big-network shows with homosexual main characters? I guess people don't rate them so highly. Let me just be clear here that a homosexual kiss does not make a television show 'gay'. Even Jim Parsons, who is a real-life gay man and plays the main character on 'The Big Bang Theory,' plays a straight male on the show. Why? Because not every show can exist if it uses homosexuality too much. TBBT is catered very much to straight men.

2 — Marriage: Gay marriage is not something that is viewed with complete disdain by the American public. That is why, in fact, it has been legal in some places for quite some time. Other places, filled with scathing opinion on homosexuality, may choose to simply fully recognize a homosexual marriage but not perform it. There are few people more passionate in America than those opposed to 'traditional' issues like this. That is why things like North Carolina's actions on gay marriage happened. It's not representative of the whole population. Did you read about the Mayor of Boston saying that Chick-Fil-A would have hell trying to get a franchise in to the city after they supported homophobic causes? If you did, why did you forget about that?

By the way, let's not forget that interracial marriage was once punishable by death. Society does change over time and as far as I know interracial marriage hasn't resulted in ruining the concept of marriage like it was claimed to want to do. It's the same thing here. Oh, and divorce was once completely illegal. I guess they changed their minds because they had their heads in the 'make reality go away' sand.

3 — Parades: The fact that you have a problem with 'gay parades' and 'gay bike rides' is a bit sensationalist. You are intelligent enough to recognize that gay people are hugely marginalized in society but you don't want them to get together to show solidarity as a community and present a case for equal rights? Save it. Parades are parades. There are parades for anything and everything you can think of and for you to be offended at the fact that some people walk down a street once a year in a united cause means that I can be offended at the Santa Clause parade because I don't believe in pagan myths. What that comment really shows is that you do have a problem with gay people because pride parades are not organized by a committee of heterosexual people for heterosexual people. It's largely a homosexual community that is there to show that gay people do exist.

I'm going to go write an angry letter to CBS because the only relevant gay characters on the hugely popular 'Survivor' were a tax fraud and a sociopathic villain. Oh, wait, I won't. Have a great day!

This is sort of like in the 70's when my Bigot step Grandfather would say what is with all these shows with Black (But trust me he didn't use the word black) people? There must be a black agenda!

I admit lately there seems to be a trend to make this as popular as possible. But if you don't care why post this?

The only reason I may protest is does it accurately describe America? But then maybe they are trying to turn everyone gay and when they finally succeed then we can start the porcupine agenda…

It's only an issue because the media forces us to believe it's a major issue by constantly talking about it... while in fact the majority of people do not have a problem with it. It's just another way to keep us fighting and divided, whether it's race, religion, homosexuality, etc, and keep us distracted from the actual important happenings in the world.

Firstly there is an agenda for every grouping of people that believe in something whether it be good, bad or indifferent.

I don't mind homosexuals being homosexual but I do mind them getting angry at my belief that that homosexuality is not normal.

I once had a group of people protesting against a political party that was against homosexuality. The homosexuals were yelling and calling the people intolerant bigots etc (and worse).

So I asked the homosexuals what a bigot was and they said this....

"Someone who is grossly intolerant of someone else views.."

To which I said "Isn't that what you are doing right now?".....


.... and they went silent for about 3 minutes and slowly walked way.. all 73 of them.


Homosexual militants are bigots.

And isn't the porcupine the perfect analogy....

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by FailedProphet

Originally posted by buster2010
Homosexuality is part of nature so why should it hidden? The reason why homosexuality is hated so much is because of the religious dogma that has been forced on us since birth.

Guess you didn't read my post.

Kneejerk response, much?

it has nothing to do with the actual fact of gayness. Instead it's the feeling of being manipulated incessantly.

This says it all. No one is trying to bring you out of your knuckle dragging state of mind.

Yes, he makes references to Dickens and DaVinci but he must be in a knuckle dragging state of mind because he isn't 100% commited to supporting every facet of the gay community, culture and the obvious agenda...

I bet he doesn't even know who Dickens or Da Vinci are! That's all just a cover for his knuckle dragging ways...

In fact, being a knuckle dragger has nothing to do with your intellectual prowess or being accepting of people different than you....the new definition is "people who aren't doing 110% to support gay agendas".

So you can be incredibly smart, worldly, open minded, very knowledgeable of cultures around the world and the artists, intellectuals and forward thinkers they have produced, accepting of other people and their way of life... But if you dare to say you are annoyed by anything having to do with homosexual agendas in any way, shape, or form... then you are a backward thinking knuckle dragger.



People... If you think that we should all accept each other and our different ways of thinking, then that INCLUDES accepting those who feel that something is being shoved in their face. By being on the extreme side of promoting a certain agenda, you are taking normal people like the OP who dont have any problem with your way of life, and you are making them your potential opponent.

Why is it ok to complain about religious folks who constantly push their agenda and say "you're going to hell if you dont think the same way I do", but its not ok to be annoyed by gay people who say "you are a knuckle dragger if you don't think the same way I do"...?

The op is not complaining about anyone being gay, in my opinion. In my opinion, he is complaining about the evangelistic tactics being used to push a certain agenda.

Personally, I have no problems at all with gay people. I watch Will & Grace reruns sometimes and I have gay friends, and I truly appreciate some of the things the gay community brings to the table. My girlfriend is not gay but was one of the leading members of the Gay/Straight Alliance group in her school and I used to help her design t-shirts and posters. And to be honest -wait, you know what? ^^^^^^^THIS...is the problem! I should be allowed to express my opinion without feeling the need to talk about how many gay friends I have and all the other pro gay things there are about me. But if I didn't then many people would just assume that, because of what I posted, I must totally hate gays.

I don't HATE anyone, or anyTHING. I know that even truly evil people have a reason for being the way they are and that they are miserable most of the time, and so I project only love towards everyone, including the truly evil, in hopes that they will find a pathway of good, happiness and love, or find help in any way.

Hate should never be assumed. Some people have bad days sometimes. And some people are merely annoyed by certain things and that's ok. Some people just get tired of hearing the same thing over and over. I personally have not experienced the same level of annoyance as the OP, but I know things are different for differed t people, in different cities, surrounded by different people, and who lead different lives. And I defend the OPs, and anyone's, right to express themselves without being called names and being accused of hatred and knuckle dragging ways, etc. Especially by those who have not completely read their statements and therefore have not had a true opportunity to evaluate their position.

I don't have a problem with gay people.... But I will admit that I do have a big problem with people who resort to personal attacks instead of focusing on the issue. And I will also admit that I have yet another shortcoming... I am prejudiced against those type of people who would twist the truth by accusing somebody of being, for example, a "knuckle dragger" when, in fact, it is they who have exhibited a behavior that is truly representative of those who are stuck in their way of thinking and refuse to be openminded enough to thoroughly examine the reasons for why the person they accuse of being a knuckle dragger feels the way they do. Especially when they actually have no way of knowing how this person feels since they did not take the time to read their entire statement. We all know It takes more than 4 mins to read, ponder, reply, plus loading times etc..

Originally posted by pacifier2012
Firstly there is an agenda for every grouping of people that believe in something whether it be good, bad or indifferent.

I don't mind homosexuals being homosexual but I do mind them getting angry at my belief that that homosexuality is not normal.

I once had a group of people protesting against a political party that was against homosexuality. The homosexuals were yelling and calling the people intolerant bigots etc (and worse).

So I asked the homosexuals what a bigot was and they said this....

"Someone who is grossly intolerant of someone else views.."

To which I said "Isn't that what you are doing right now?".....


.... and they went silent for about 3 minutes and slowly walked way.. all 73 of them.


Homosexual militants are bigots.

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I know you think you're real clever, but... Someone who fights for equality is NOT a bigot. Someone who wants take away another person's right to equality IS a bigot. A political party against homosexuality will do everything possible to take away homosexual's rights. That is what the homosexuals were protesting.

What's normal for me may not be normal for you. What's normal for gays may not be normal for straights. As long as no one is being hurt, what difference does it make? Gays don't want you to love them, they just want to be treated with equality and respect. Just like you'd like to be treated.

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by mikeone718
worst part to me is the fact that kids are exposed to this just as much as i am, so now when i have a few of my own, if i dont push the "gay is great" agenda, we'll be seen as bearded terrorists.

I pushed the 'tolerance' agenda with my kids. My son's best friend has two moms and my daughter's best neighbourhood pals are two guys with a son and a daughter. They worked it out pretty well all by themselves, and that, my friend, is all that matters. Live and let live.

live and let live is just fine, but having ideas forced down your throat is another matter all together, thats what matters to me.

i like my smart phone, but you wouldnt see me knocking on all my neighbors doors, checking to see if they have that smart phone and calling them backwards if they didnt. sure tolerance is great, but how much is too far when just about every show on tv has to feature some sort of homosexual?

Originally posted by pacifier2012
Firstly there is an agenda for every grouping of people that believe in something whether it be good, bad or indifferent.

I don't mind homosexuals being homosexual but I do mind them getting angry at my belief that that homosexuality is not normal.

I once had a group of people protesting against a political party that was against homosexuality. The homosexuals were yelling and calling the people intolerant bigots etc (and worse).

So I asked the homosexuals what a bigot was and they said this....

"Someone who is grossly intolerant of someone else views.."

To which I said "Isn't that what you are doing right now?".....


.... and they went silent for about 3 minutes and slowly walked way.. all 73 of them.


Homosexual militants are bigots.

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Yes, exactly. If you want the world to accept you, you need to acceptable world. And if some people want to believe that homosexuality is not normal, that is not the same as hatred or bigotry! In fact, we need to accept those people who don't believe homosexuality is normal, just as much as we need to accept homosexuals. They are all a part of this world and we all need to find a way to get along.

My favorite take on homophobia, *CAUTION EXPLICIT LANGUAGE*

Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by pacifier2012
Firstly there is an agenda for every grouping of people that believe in something whether it be good, bad or indifferent.

I don't mind homosexuals being homosexual but I do mind them getting angry at my belief that that homosexuality is not normal.

I once had a group of people protesting against a political party that was against homosexuality. The homosexuals were yelling and calling the people intolerant bigots etc (and worse).

So I asked the homosexuals what a bigot was and they said this....

"Someone who is grossly intolerant of someone else views.."

To which I said "Isn't that what you are doing right now?".....


.... and they went silent for about 3 minutes and slowly walked way.. all 73 of them.


Homosexual militants are bigots.

edit on 24-7-2012 by pacifier2012 because: .

edit on 24-7-2012 by pacifier2012 because: (no reason given)

I know you think you're real clever, but... Someone who fights for equality is NOT a bigot. Someone who wants take away another person's right to equality IS a bigot. A political party against homosexuality will do everything possible to take away homosexual's rights. That is what the homosexuals were protesting.

What's normal for me may not be normal for you. What's normal for gays may not be normal for straights. As long as no one is being hurt, what difference does it make? Gays don't want you to love them, they just want to be treated with equality and respect. Just like you'd like to be treated.

You totally missed the point... but those homosexual protesters didn't.

Mind you they were intelligent university types so actually saw the truth in it.

Now of course feel free to get upset because I 'obviously' meant you weren't intelligent enough to pick up the point... as is usual with homosexuals... look for everything to feel cornered.

Originally posted by 3n19m470

Originally posted by pacifier2012
Firstly there is an agenda for every grouping of people that believe in something whether it be good, bad or indifferent.

I don't mind homosexuals being homosexual but I do mind them getting angry at my belief that that homosexuality is not normal.

I once had a group of people protesting against a political party that was against homosexuality. The homosexuals were yelling and calling the people intolerant bigots etc (and worse).

So I asked the homosexuals what a bigot was and they said this....

"Someone who is grossly intolerant of someone else views.."

To which I said "Isn't that what you are doing right now?".....


.... and they went silent for about 3 minutes and slowly walked way.. all 73 of them.


Homosexual militants are bigots.

edit on 24-7-2012 by pacifier2012 because: .

edit on 24-7-2012 by pacifier2012 because: (no reason given)

Yes, exactly. If you want the world to accept you, you need to acceptable world. And if some people want to believe that homosexuality is not normal, that is not the same as hatred or bigotry! In fact, we need to accept those people who don't believe homosexuality is normal, just as much as we need to accept homosexuals. They are all a part of this world and we all need to find a way to get along.

Those homosexuals were chanting horrible things and using disgusting ;language while the political party was not saying anything bad about individuals...just the agenda. The homosexuals looked like a mob at a lynching and displayed what was inside themselves (like angry gang members who display hate in other ways by beating you). But when asked a question no one had anything to say... they went silent... because it hit home.

The hatred of the jews in WW2 started out the same exact way.Media is doing it to conseravtives who are simply saying they have a right to not vote for gay marriage as gay people have a right to vote for gay marriage.Or a right to not believe in gay marriage as much as they have a right to believe in it.
I fear the conservatives who are against gay marriage will now be looked at as terrible human beings because of the secular lies.

Originally posted by mikeone718

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by mikeone718
worst part to me is the fact that kids are exposed to this just as much as i am, so now when i have a few of my own, if i dont push the "gay is great" agenda, we'll be seen as bearded terrorists.

I pushed the 'tolerance' agenda with my kids. My son's best friend has two moms and my daughter's best neighbourhood pals are two guys with a son and a daughter. They worked it out pretty well all by themselves, and that, my friend, is all that matters. Live and let live.

live and let live is just fine, but having ideas forced down your throat is another matter all together, thats what matters to me.

i like my smart phone, but you wouldnt see me knocking on all my neighbors doors, checking to see if they have that smart phone and calling them backwards if they didnt. sure tolerance is great, but how much is too far when just about every show on tv has to feature some sort of homosexual?

How would you feel if having a smart phone was not considered "normal"? You and the few others who had smart phones were taunted, teased, made to feel like second-class citizens. You were told every day that you weren't "normal" for having a smart phone. People didn't want to hire you as soon as they realized you had a smart phone. Everyone expected you to keep your smart phone under wraps while in public, and to never take it out where someone had to see it, while the "normal" people had flip-phones, and they were allowed to take theirs out whenever they wanted. Wouldn't you get tired of that kind of treatment after a while?

I'm not going to be bothered to read through the ignorant stupidity, except I see some people saying things like "I have nothing against gays" while making anti-gay comments. Which means, NEWSFLASH, you DO have something against gay people and the gay community. And that makes you anti-gay. Congrats!

What the OP needs to realize is, that gay people exist, and that the issue of anti-gay discrimination is the social issue of our generation. Hence, there will be a lot of attention brought onto the issue. If you want that to change, then do your part to END ANTI-GAY DISCRIMINATION. As long as anti-gay discrimination exists on the WIDE scale it exists, there will be a lot of attention on the issue. Especially since more straight people are openly for gay rights, on a REAL level, not a fabricated, I like them as long as they aren't near me way. And especially since the LGBT community is NOT taking no for an answer anymore, and is standing up against anti-gay hatred and determined to gain what is deserved, which is full legal and social equality. All the people crying and complaining, you want less attention on gay rights, the gay community, then fully embrace and accept the gay community and do your part to ensure that society embraces and fully accepts the gay community. That will put an end to it, for the most part.

Also, for the people complaining about feminine/flamboyant gay men, MOST gay men are masculine appearing and acting. So that's number one, number two, there is NO problem with a man being more feminine and flamboyant, and it is NOT a f*cking declaration of what you do in the bedroom. Some guys are simply more fem, it's natural, and it does NOT harm anyone. Just because you find it annoying doesn't mean there is something wrong with fem gay men. The people against fems have the problem. Anti-gays are the problem. Not gay people. That's what some of you fail to realize. You try to rationalize your homophobia, but at the end of the day, homophobia is homophobia, and you are wrong.

Until we see gay men running around literally saying/yelling they're gay and openly talking indiscreetly about their sexual proclivities, which is NOT happening, then there is no flaunting argument. Being openly gay is not flaunting a sexuality. Get over it, gay people exist, they will always exist, and quite frankly, they are more popular than homophobes in society, so I'd advise all of you with irrational issues with gay folk to get over it, or simply stay at home and make sure you only go on websites and watch shows where you know you can avoid the gays.

Originally posted by 3n19m470

Originally posted by pacifier2012
Firstly there is an agenda for every grouping of people that believe in something whether it be good, bad or indifferent.

I don't mind homosexuals being homosexual but I do mind them getting angry at my belief that that homosexuality is not normal.

I once had a group of people protesting against a political party that was against homosexuality. The homosexuals were yelling and calling the people intolerant bigots etc (and worse).

So I asked the homosexuals what a bigot was and they said this....

"Someone who is grossly intolerant of someone else views.."

To which I said "Isn't that what you are doing right now?".....


.... and they went silent for about 3 minutes and slowly walked way.. all 73 of them.


Homosexual militants are bigots.

edit on 24-7-2012 by pacifier2012 because: .

edit on 24-7-2012 by pacifier2012 because: (no reason given)

Yes, exactly. If you want the world to accept you, you need to acceptable world. And if some people want to believe that homosexuality is not normal, that is not the same as hatred or bigotry! In fact, we need to accept those people who don't believe homosexuality is normal, just as much as we need to accept homosexuals. They are all a part of this world and we all need to find a way to get along.

No-one needs to grovel for your acceptance, nor the acceptance of any anti-gay bigot. You bigots aren't special, and you're not anyone that any gay nor pro-gay heterosexual thinks about. We do not have to accept the choice that some people make to hold irrationally negative beliefs towards gay folk. Being gay isn't a choice, being anti-gay is, it's a negative BELIEF, and as with all publicly-made BELIEFS, they are open to debate and disagreement and even condemnation from others. If you choose to be anti-gay, that's your choice, and there are consequences for said choice.