The gay agenda and why it bothers me: An analogy

reply to post by King_John


I don't see you complaining about guys who kiss their girlfriends in public. A little biased, are we?

Originally posted by lordtyp0
reply to post by MeesterB

 

Your mistake was your content. Every point you have tried to make has been discredited and or outright proved wrong earlier in the thread.

The dangers of coming to the party late is all the good booze is gone.

No, it's that the pro-homo posters are so self righteous that they make atheists seem bearable.
I'm okay with gay people having monogamous relationships and receive recognition from the state because we live in a secular society, but I don't agree that it's natural and perfectly acceptable.

Most gay people I know were heavily involved in pornography when they came out, and you can't argue that it's natural since gay people absolutely can not procreate. So, it's sexual perversion as far as I'm concerned. Lumped right in there with bestiality and pedophiles.

I know the counter-arguments already. "what about heterosexual couples that can't reproduce? are they unnatural?" No. They have all the required equipment, but something is broken. The same reason down-syndrome people are still considered human.
"But bestiality and pedophilia aren't consensual! Being gay is!" People can be sexually attracted to animals and children without committing the act, so it doesn't matter if it's consensual or not. It's still wrong.

It's okay because of a genetic propensity? Some people are genetically prone to alcoholism. Doesn't make it good or right.

Originally posted by Dhimmie
If being gay is really natural and normal....... How many posters here are 'normal'.... I must be abnormal as I only find women sexually attractive.

Logical fallacy: Just because being "gay" is natural, doesn't mean that being "straight" isn't. So no, it doesn't meant that you are "abnormal".

Originally posted by Dhimmie
If it is about equality as it is sold as, where is 'straight pride', where are the groups for straight people only that are accepted by society????

Straights are the majority and they were never prosecuted just for being straight so why would they need pride? Where were the challenges just for being straight? There were none. Straight have killed gays. It is fair that gays can at least get equal rights and have a day to be positive and love themselves after all of that.

Originally posted by MeesterB

No, it's that the pro-homo posters are so self righteous that they make atheists seem bearable.

Wow. This is really giving insight to the judgmental personality. Atheists are "unbearable" because they don't hold a certain belief in common. I can see the type of judgmental mentality. It becomes and addiction to just judge , try to defend opinions rather than being accepting of things not causing harm.

If you want to redefine words and make up belief systems to try to justify that gays aren't "natural", have fun. It is too tiring to argue on that point.

Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

So because you don't find them sexy, it is therefore "eww". It is either sexy or disgusting? I guess I was pointing out that there was still some emotional attachment against homosexuality, rather than just saying "nah, not interesting... I like the opposite gender", but for some reason it is an "eww" reaction of disgust.

Hey, I'll be the first to admit that I find the concept of gay (male) sex is totally "eww". But that's just me and I'm wired that way. It was a real revaluation when it was pointed out to me that a lot of gays view hetero sex in the same manner.

Does that distaste for same-sex relations entitle me to deprive anyone of their rights? No. Should gays be entitled to be married and enjoy the same legal and social conventions as me? Why not? Should I clock a guy for hitting on me? Gee, is it any different from me hitting on a lady? If I had been socked every time I came on to a woman, perhaps I would have rethought my gender preference (joking, folks...joking).

But what's considered flaunting? Public display of affection? Holding hands? Kissing? So what? I have that right with my wife, why not a gay couple?

Transferring a biological disinclination towards having same-sex relations into a phobia or hatred towards them is the height of ignorance...and as I have said, I figure that kind of homophobia is a symptom of repressed homosexual desire. One more thing...gay or straight, it is most unseeming to have that much of an interest in what other people do with their naughty bits.

reply to post by MeesterB

No, it's that the pro-homo posters are so self righteous that they make atheists seem bearable.

If it was a straight poster, you wouldn't mind. And considering the amount of oppression they face, I'd say it's their right to be proud. Do they tell you not to be straight?

Most gay people I know were heavily involved in pornography when they came out, and you can't argue that it's natural since gay people absolutely can not procreate.

They kicked that one out of court, friend. Absolutely not valid, considering dolphins have sex for entertainment and not procreation. Try again.

It's okay because of a genetic propensity? Some people are genetically prone to alcoholism. Doesn't make it good or right.

It's okay because it doesn't hurt anyone. Unlike your discrimination.

"But bestiality and pedophilia aren't consensual! Being gay is!" People can be sexually attracted to animals and children without committing the act, so it doesn't matter if it's consensual or not. It's still wrong.

Um, we're the ones who says having sex with an animal is wrong. Since there are people who do it, and are not in jail, and in fact have COMMUNITIES that also do it, says it's more of a confusion of definition.

See, we say it's "wrong". But what we mean is, "I don't like it, so it's wrong."

Apparently, you suffer from a similar affliction.

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck


I applaud your ability to set your differences aside. Star for you, sir.

Originally posted by arpgme

Originally posted by Dhimmie
If being gay is really natural and normal....... How many posters here are 'normal'.... I must be abnormal as I only find women sexually attractive.

Logical fallacy: Just because being "gay" is natural, doesn't mean that being "straight" isn't. So no, it doesn't meant that you are "abnormal".

Originally posted by Dhimmie
If it is about equality as it is sold as, where is 'straight pride', where are the groups for straight people only that are accepted by society????

Straights are the majority and they were never prosecuted just for being straight so why would they need pride? Where were the challenges just for being straight? There were none. Straight have killed gays. It is fair that gays can at least get equal rights and have a day to be positive and love themselves after all of that.

So if my lady and I were in a room of gays, we would be the minority and should be able to make a big deal out of it and expect the gays in the room make make extra allowances for us.... Go to a full on gay bar and see where snogging your woman at the bar gets you.

Like if I was born in Africa it would therefore be impossible for me to be racist to black people as they are the majority (by quite some margin I might add) and therefore only I would need protecting from racism with 'white only support groups'......



Riiiiight.... So clear now.......

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by King_John

 

I don't see you complaining about guys who kiss their girlfriends in public. A little biased, are we?

I said I'm NOT talking about showing public affection, granted I do think the idea of two men kissing is disgusting but hey whatever they want to do that's on them. I'm talking about the attitude and mentality of "Here I am, I'm gay and proud look at me." Flaunting your sexual orientation in public with loud and obnoxious attitude is what annoys me.

reply to post by Novalis


I am plenty educated. I was making a joke guy. Did you sincerely think that I thought your name was a drug for diabetics? I am just as sure that I could name an obscure writer or dozens of artists you don't know. To each his own. Where has everyones sense of humor gone?

The gay agenda? You mean that gay people want to be treated as equals by society? Oh, the horror.

reply to post by Dhimmie

Go to a full on gay bar and see where snogging your woman at the bar gets you.

You do the same thing to gays. Well, how about that?

Riiiiight.... So clear now.......

No wonder you're so confused.

reply to post by MeesterB


I wont bother mentioning reproductive abilities.
Your post has no merit on it's own. Your assertions are not based on rationality or reason or any verifiable aspect-due to the fact they come from a basis of personal bias.

You even started the post with hostility, in fact your first post in was from a hostile stance.

If you look over things since about page 6, all these points had been addressed with evidence to back up or knock down assertions. If you are interested in bringing something new to the table. I am game.

Originally posted by trollz

Originally posted by buster2010
Homosexuality is part of nature so why should it hidden? The reason why homosexuality is hated so much is because of the religious dogma that has been forced on us since birth.

I might remind you that humans are physically designed to mate with those of the opposite sex, not the same sex. This is why males have male genitalia and females have female genitalia. So no, homosexuality is not part of nature, it's a corruption of nature that everyone is trying to pass off as natural and normal. I consider it to be a socially-accepted mental illness.

All hail the designer/creator of the human race for they know whats natural and whats not.

A socially accepted mental illness, just as bigotry is a socially accepted mental illness, well actually bigotry is more of mental illness because that is how one thinks yet being Gay to me is a physical thing so im not sure about that actually being in a persons head as much as hating what a people do in the privacy of their own homes.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Dhimmie

 

Go to a full on gay bar and see where snogging your woman at the bar gets you.

You do the same thing to gays. Well, how about that?

Riiiiight.... So clear now.......

No wonder you're so confused.

edit on 24-7-2012 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)

Read again my post sir...... How do I go the same thing to gays???????? Explain?

reply to post by King_John


Just because you can't see who it helps doesn't mean it doesn't help someone does it? It doesn't really mean anything at all and it doesn't hurt anyone either. It's like there aren't enough things to grumble about you have to seek out more.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by solongandgoodnight
i 100% believe people should be able to choose what kind of lifestyle they want to have. however, like you, i don't think it's right to shove it down my throat either.

i might also add that the statement works both ways.

Sexual orientation is a birth right.

Lifestyle is what and how you decide to live your life. Such as: TV commentator - - politician - - teacher.

sorry if i offended you, that was not my intention. i'm just saying i don't think being a certain way should be force fed to anybody. no matter if it's about being gay or straight. i think that's a fair enough statement.

reply to post by Dhimmie


Racism IS a part of our nature. People are naturally racist, the thing is we are reasoning beings and we can see how the more prevalent racism is ignorant and that all racism creates in a modern society is negativity. Just as we should let all races be equal because we have no control over our race, we should also let homosexuals be because they have no control over their sexuality.

Also many people are openly racist.. ever heard of the KKK? New Black Panthers? They are all ignorant, but they still have a right to their opinions.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by King_John

 

Just because you can't see who it helps doesn't mean it doesn't help someone does it? It doesn't really mean anything at all and it doesn't hurt anyone either. It's like there aren't enough things to grumble about you have to seek out more.

I think it's counterproductive, if gay people want to be seen as equal and the same as everybody else, making a huge deal and celebration about how you're different and special because you're gay is the complete wrong way to go about it imo.

reply to post by Dhimmie


Not you, but probably your friends. They're frustrated with their wives, they get overworked for little pay, and they go to a bar and get absolutely wasted. Then this gay guy makes out with his friend, and in order to feel better, your friends decide patriotism is in order. This country was founded on Christianity, and guess what the Bible yes?

Oh, well, crap. That gay dude is completely f***ed. Why? Because he showed his lust, something that is acceptable only under very specific circumstances, mainly involving female anatomy.

reply to post by King_John

I think it's counterproductive, if gay people want to be seen as equal and the same as everybody else, making a huge deal and celebration about how you're different and special because you're gay is the complete wrong way to go about it imo.

So...hide who you are? Okay, you're not allowed to even look at chicks (or guys) anymore. You cannot display a single facet of your sexuality. In fact, forget having a public personality period.

You might offend someone, and that would cost you your rights.