A Question For Abductees.....GPS?

Greetings, ATS!

Just recently concluded my long trip through the southwest, one of the stops was in Roswell, New Mexico. We went to the alien museum, pretty interesting stuff overall. Anyway, as my husband and I were discussing aliens (we are both skeptics, but I have a far more open mind) a thought occurred to me.

Why not put a GPS tracking device on abductees? If they are then abducted, the GPS could provide some interesting information.

Now, I realize there are some holes in my suggestion. Some might say the aliens would notice and disable the GPS. Or if the person is simply taken into a craft that then hovers a mile above the house, would the coordinates even change on the GPS? I don't know.

Just a thought.....so if anyone is getting abducted on a regular basis, have you considered trying something like this?

Thanks for the input,
smylee

if the gps wasnt disabled, it might give a pretty specific location, if theyre not taken from the earth that is...

Originally posted by smyleegrl
Greetings, ATS!

Just recently concluded my long trip through the southwest, one of the stops was in Roswell, New Mexico. We went to the alien museum, pretty interesting stuff overall. Anyway, as my husband and I were discussing aliens (we are both skeptics, but I have a far more open mind) a thought occurred to me.

Why not put a GPS tracking device on abductees? If they are then abducted, the GPS could provide some interesting information.

Now, I realize there are some holes in my suggestion. Some might say the aliens would notice and disable the GPS. Or if the person is simply taken into a craft that then hovers a mile above the house, would the coordinates even change on the GPS? I don't know.

Just a thought.....so if anyone is getting abducted on a regular basis, have you considered trying something like this?

Thanks for the input,
smylee

I think what we're not fully understanding because we simply can't is, it's my belief when they take us it's in another dimension. Or time. Or reality.

Many abductees talk about going right through brick walls, ceilings, car roofs etc. So there appears to be some sort of force field surrounding the person which renders our reality obsolete.
So I highly doubt our caveman GPS's or cellphone/cameras would work well in this altered state but it's worth a shot.
I know one abductee who gets taken regularly. So I'll mention it to him.
As for me?.....I think they stop taking me and put me out to pasture some time ago

reply to post by smyleegrl


I'm all about this.

I'd love to see some repeat abductees at least TRY this instead of sitting around saying that it can't be done because other dimensions are involved.

Making definite statements about an little known, poorly studied phenomenon are ridiculous.

A few lab studies have been successful in emulating abduction-like experiences under controlled conditions, indicating that at least some, if not most cases are simply psychological due to sleep paralysis and other factors all in the mind.

Using GPS in the wild and successfully capturing data that indicates someone flew 8500mph to a secret underground base in Dulce New Mexico or something else equally improbable that could be verified by GPS, then, we'd certainly have some nice, hard, solid, evidence other than having to accept word of mouth tellings of what could be the imaginative rantings of someone's complex dream world.

If several GPS logs over several abduction events could be logged, especially for a whole population group of supposed abductees, and these logs show repeat instances and patterns of specific locations that are gone to each time an abduction event occurs, such data could prove interesting in providing a location to investigate on the ground for a secret under ground base, or even a location and focal distance to aim telescopes at in the sky, to whatever extent GPS would still be reliable.

reply to post by Druscilla


What they should do is fit an abductee with one of those ankle bracelet gps devices, like they use on sex offenders

reply to post by HomerinNC


Certainly, but, of course voluntarily so.
It'd have to be 24 hour tracking that the subject never takes off, even while bathing, and especially while sleeping.

I'm sure there are more fashionable solutions than those ankle bracelet things that wouldn't have the same social stigma associated with them, perhaps a watch-like GPS tracking device that to all extents and purposes is indeed a watch, though also serving as a personal abductee Lojack. It'd have to be tamper resistant like the sex offender bracelets, for study integrity, as such a study would likely attract wackos, but all in all a proper study with the right funding could probably be worked out.

It would, of course be nice were regular abductees to voluntarily, on their own dime, conduct their own self experimental study in Lojacking themselves in using a service where all data is independent and can't be tampered with.

reply to post by Druscilla


There's a problem with your logic.

Any 'claimee' would simply say that the device was taken off in their bedrooms, and re-attached later.

And we'd all be back to square one.

A better idea would be to shackle 'claimees' to their beds. With video and observers. But hey, that'd ruin the perception of being abducted!!!

#just for the record, there are a few claims that are difficult to explain, but by far the majority are pure, attention seeking nonesense.

Originally posted by smyleegrl
Greetings, ATS!

Just recently concluded my long trip through the southwest, one of the stops was in Roswell, New Mexico. We went to the alien museum, pretty interesting stuff overall. Anyway, as my husband and I were discussing aliens (we are both skeptics, but I have a far more open mind) a thought occurred to me.

Why not put a GPS tracking device on abductees? If they are then abducted, the GPS could provide some interesting information.

Now, I realize there are some holes in my suggestion. Some might say the aliens would notice and disable the GPS. Or if the person is simply taken into a craft that then hovers a mile above the house, would the coordinates even change on the GPS? I don't know.

Just a thought.....so if anyone is getting abducted on a regular basis, have you considered trying something like this?

Thanks for the input,
smylee

Well I have discussed this with a few abductees here at ATS and elsewhere.

Implants that have been recovered from me.and others have characteristics of Tuned Cavities.
Not always metal some are bone or a combination of both.
My suggestion is find the frequency that triggers these existing implants.

Then monitor that frequency range for transmissions.
It could lead to the location of the location of what you are really looking for in the first place.
Without traumatizing the abductees.

Electrical devices are effected by these events.
Higher DC voltages seem to have the best chance of not being effected at close range.
I never have had any device with me that worked during an toe to toe abduction event.

You might troll threw the Serious Abductee Chat room for ideas.

I went on a personal UFO hunt and but have seance stopped.
My evidence was given to me when I finally just gave up.
And ask for something for myself.
It was given in the form of a tree.
A simple disiduous tree.
But the leaves where white.
In the middle of the summer after a largest abduction experience of my life.

If your still hunting I got close.
They are here.
They have been here for a long time.
Use simple magnetic compass look for natural magnetic highs or lows without accompanying gravintational high or low.

There are maps if you get crazy about it.
You would be looking for the ones taken at 1500'.

Well, I digress....
looking forward to your response.

Watcher

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Originally posted by n120by60w
Implants that have been recovered from me.and others have characteristics of Tuned Cavities.

What's a 'tuned cavity'?

My suggestion is find the frequency that triggers these existing implants.

eh?

Then monitor that frequency range for transmissions.

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Higher DC voltages seem to have the best chance of not being effected at close range. I never have had any device with me that worked during an toe to toe abduction event.

Evidence?

Use simple magnetic compass look for natural magnetic holes without accompanying gravintational holes.

erm... please explain in English. Pseudoscience doesn't count.

reply to post by BagBing


Sure anyone signing up for a study would need be fitted with something tamper-resistant, something that cannot be taken off except through application of specialized tools.
Consider a something like a snap-on housing around the actual device that has to be broken and replaced to remove and re-mount.

It wouldn't be a simple matter of just taking the device off. It would have to be broken, on purpose, as a function of it's tamper resistant design to be removed.

Such would curb the cases where claimants are experiencing it all in their heads, or are being purposefully deceptive.

reply to post by n120by60w


I concur with poster: n120by60w. They are here and have been here and what we're starting to figure out is, there are many different types. On many difference missions with many different messages. If we can't even figure this much out how can we possibly prove it? It's a very tricky endeavor.

I think a RFID type chip might be more along the lines but I doubt anyone will be willing to get one injected unless it was done by someone in this field. Like Dr Roger Leir or Dr Dave Jacobs (although he's not a medical doctor).

Ah. They'll make themselves known soon enough. Within the next few years for sure. But I am really leaning more towards this year though.
So hang in there for your ultimate 'proof' OP.

OK - you're talking about a non-repairable device. Like a "smash glass to get fire extinguisher" type scenario. I can dig that. The trouble is, is that someone could break the 'glass' and claim da alienz did it.

If I misunderstood you, apologies.

Originally posted by Human_Alien
reply to post by n120by60w

 

I concur with poster: n120by60w. They are here and have been here and what we're starting to figure out is, there are many different types. On many difference missions with many different messages. If we can't even figure this much out how can we possibly prove it? It's a very tricky endeavor.

I think a RFID type chip might be more along the lines but I doubt anyone will be willing to get one injected unless it was done by someone in this field. Like Dr Roger Leir or Dr Dave Jacobs (although he's not a medical doctor).

Ah. They'll make themselves known soon enough. Within the next few years for sure. But I am really leaning more towards this year though.
So hang in there for your ultimate 'proof' OP.

I really think proof is going to come sooner than most think. But not your way. I think as telescopes improve (especially ESO's ELT) we're going to find accurate information about a planets atmosphere. Which would [hopefully] give an indication of any life present.

Originally posted by BagBing

Originally posted by Human_Alien
reply to post by n120by60w

 

I concur with poster: n120by60w. They are here and have been here and what we're starting to figure out is, there are many different types. On many difference missions with many different messages. If we can't even figure this much out how can we possibly prove it? It's a very tricky endeavor.

I think a RFID type chip might be more along the lines but I doubt anyone will be willing to get one injected unless it was done by someone in this field. Like Dr Roger Leir or Dr Dave Jacobs (although he's not a medical doctor).

Ah. They'll make themselves known soon enough. Within the next few years for sure. But I am really leaning more towards this year though.
So hang in there for your ultimate 'proof' OP.

I really think proof is going to come sooner than most think. But not your way. I think as telescopes improve (especially ESO's ELT) we're going to find accurate information about a planets atmosphere. Which would [hopefully] give an indication of any life present.

Planets? You're assuming they still live in planets. I think many of the aliens who pay us a visit from time to time, are space travelers. Who live on huge mother-ships. Some crafts the size of moons. Plus, some (many?) aren't even of this dimension so their need for a 3D planet is passe.

So, I don't think it would serve you too well to think so 'human like' and limited because SETI -----whose waiting to receive a radio transmission----has got that covered

reply to post by Druscilla


Wouldnt bother me to wear one, if i was a regular abductee, id have one on just to see if it actually worked you know?

reply to post by BagBing


Sure, someone could indeed do that, but, in doing so, were this part of a funded study program, such suspicious actions could be grounds for automatic suspension from the study program.

A number of studies come with financial incentive for the participants, though usually not all that much. "Accidental" or blaming it on the aliens destruction of the GPS device could equate into disqualification.

Such measures, and countermeasures against tampering, both physical, negative incentive-wise, plus others would need be considered and worked out before enacting a study program that would certainly attract some dodgy characters.

Volunteers, doing a self study on their own, by themselves, where data from GPS is off-site, would be nice too.
Unless someone is a jet pilot, it'd likely be difficult to spoof long distance travel at improbable speeds.

Volunteer submission of self study positive hit data would be interesting as it's primarily the positive hit data that would be looked at.

reply to post by BagBing


A tuned cavity is unpowered physical device.
It can be any size and shape. It can be implanted or incorporated into any object.

It can be externally triggered due to the physical resonance. (Material, Size & Shape)

Because they are not powered internally they can not be swept for with normal bug sniffers.

They never stop working unless you change there shape or size..
The technology was used by the USSR and USA for remotely bugging each other in the cold war.

Simple triangulation to locate the transmitter locations are done every day by ham radio clubs.
You might recruit them. They are usually looking for something interesting to do.

A remote trigger could be fashioned cheaply that would trigger at the same resonant frequency.
Then configured and placed nearby and it might give a early warning that an event is about to occur.
If it proved to work it could be finely tuned over time and additional events.

If you did not want a technical answer then why ask?

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Originally posted by BagBing
OK - you're talking about a non-repairable device. Like a "smash glass to get fire extinguisher" type scenario. I can dig that. The trouble is, is that someone could break the 'glass' and claim da alienz did it.

If I misunderstood you, apologies.

I have one in that can not be removed. It would kill me.
Smash it in the middle of my skull.
That would be a trick.....

And Ya,

Mufon has a copy of the CT scan.

Watcher

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Originally posted by Druscilla
reply to post by BagBing

 

Sure, someone could indeed do that, but, in doing so, were this part of a funded study program, such suspicious actions could be grounds for automatic suspension from the study program.

A number of studies come with financial incentive for the participants, though usually not all that much. "Accidental" or blaming it on the aliens destruction of the GPS device could equate into disqualification.

Such measures, and countermeasures against tampering, both physical, negative incentive-wise, plus others would need be considered and worked out before enacting a study program that would certainly attract some dodgy characters.

Volunteers, doing a self study on their own, by themselves, where data from GPS is off-site, would be nice too.
Unless someone is a jet pilot, it'd likely be difficult to spoof long distance travel at improbable speeds.

Volunteer submission of self study positive hit data would be interesting as it's primarily the positive hit data that would be looked at.

Sorry - I'm popping in and out here, but it's a pleasure to meet someone who is both articulate and intelligent!

n120by60w

FFS just smash it! lol. You'll be fine!