Mass shooting in Aurora, CO (At Batman Film Premiere)

Originally posted by flyswatter

I cant be positive that you've never been through a traumatic event, but I can take a pretty good guess as no. Myself, I have been through one, and I can absolutely agree that times surrounding the event can get hazy. Bodily injury or no bodily injury, it happens. Saying that it is "convenient" that she claims this and basically calling her a liar is just plain ignorant.

I don't think her story sounds blatantly untrue but I do question what she said about other people freezing up at the scene. I was under the impression that people either naturally react to these situations or as she said freeze.

The people that naturally react often remember EVERYTHING as the mind tends to slow things down so that you can act in the right way, it's a survival mechanism.

en.wikipedia.org...

Slow motion perception is perception of time in which things are perceived as moving slowly unlike everyday experience in some special situations like accidents. To a bystander watching this situation such as the accident, time is moving at a normal speed but to the individual in the accident, time seems like it has slowed down and they are able to think and act faster.

I was in a traumatic scenario myself once and I acted as if on auto pilot. Time seemed to have slowed down and I was aware of every detail. Still everyone's different and she definitely has her injuries.

Originally posted by Fox666
More from this girl:

It actually worries and saddens me that most people do not possess such basic animalistic survival instincts, that so many of them curled up on the floor and kissed their own butts goodbye.

She went from a sweet, innocent girl who experiences black outs to a cocky p.o.s

edit on 26-7-2012 by Fox666 because: (no reason given)

How come she has dreads in one picture and not in the other. Are you sure those accounts are supposed to be from the same girl?

Edited to add- it seems that is an older profile picture.
Actiually the girl with dreads is a friend of Carli Richards!

More on Carli Richards;

From her blog comments:

sinisterdreams.wordpress.com...

Adrianna on 07/27/2012 at 06:06 said: If you knew her, you would understand that this article WAS very much a ploy for money and attention to her modeling aspirations…..MIXED with a candid account of her experience. It isn’t all bad and it isn’t all good. She’s human though, so don’t call names. I hate to be against her in a way, but I very much do believe that she is using this tragedy for monetary gain and prompting herself as a model.

From www.akronnewsnow.com...

A four-year Navy veteran from Akron was among the dozens of people injured in the Colorado movie theater shootings last week. Gail Richards tells WKYC Channel 3 News that she believes her daughter's military experience may have saved her life.
22-year-old Carli Richards was hit with buckshot during the mass shooting at the midnight showing of "The Dark Knight Rises." (Courtesy: WKYC Channel 3 News) Carli graduated from Garfield High School before leaving Akron in 2008 to join the Navy. She is currently a fashion retailing student in Denver. Gail says her daughter, Carli, and her boyfriend ran to safety when they quickly realized gas canisters were released in the theater.

So she was in the military and some hav said she had aspirations to be a model. It has been pointed out before that some of the witnesses had online profiles as aspiring actors......

I'm a little confused as to how he got into the cinema. There seems to be a few theories floating around as to wether he got help, I don't think the witness was clear enough about wether the guy that got up and walked to the door and bekoned someone over, was he bekoning to someone outside or in. Was there a secondary person in the cinema that came and held the door or was he calling someone from outside to come in?

If he was calling someone in, could it be that :

a) this was not Holmes but someone who was trying to sneak in a friend through the exit to see the film for free (which doesnt explain how holmes got in)

b) It was Holmes and he was making it look as if that was what he was doing, the phone call was a fake set of his own ring tone etc. Got up and pretended to get someone to come in as a reason why he was using the exit door. He then exited placing something on the floor to stop the door from closing or simply did not close it properly and then went to his car to get changed and came back in.

c) he had an assistant, the person on the phone and opening the door was not Holmes and rather someone helping him, perhaps a friend who threw the second tear gas that apparently came from a different direction and then he got out of there.

Just some ideas.

Here's an another eyewitness to the event

www.wral.com...

"Seeing the canister fly and the gunshots being shot – that replays in my mind," said Derrick Poage, describing the night of July 20 when a gunman killed 12 people and injured 58 at a midnight showing of "The Dark Knight Rises" in Aurora, Colo.

Poage, 22, who goes to college in Colorado, said he and his girlfriend were 20 feet away from the gunman when he opened fired and hurled a gas canister into the crowded, dark theater.

"When I see the fire coming out of the shotgun, that is when I feel it is real," he said.

"It was something I thought I had to to," he said. "I did not want her family not to have a daughter, and I did not know what I would do without her."

He found his girlfriend still standing near their seats, seemingly frozen in fear. He grabbed her arm and pulled her down when the gunman started firing again. When there was a break in the fire, they sprinted out. Both were unharmed.

"He keeps hearing the cries and the screams, he said, from men, women and children and tripping over people going out," she said.

Originally posted by IamMe14
Does she not realize that some people were in a really bad seat and unfortunately running may not have saved them? Or that they had families, children, etc. I can't believe someone who was actually there can be so insensitive.

I wish someone, anyone, who was in the first 3-4 rows would just make an attempt at a description of the man who took the phone call. Even if only to say they don't remember much about him because nothing stood out. In all the witness interviews not one of the reporters even asked! Every one of them only asks for a description from the point where you can't identify the shooter!!

edit on 27-7-2012 by IamMe14 because: (no reason given)

A female news presenter on a tv channel, maybe ABC specifically asked for this description from Corbin, I think it was, and the line went fuzzy and the question blocked with a general overview of the whole thing. Curiously, he heard the rest of the interview clearly.

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It's hard to keep up with Corbin since he's done about 800 interviews! I guess I havent seen all of them. Interesting about him not hearing the question.

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Corbin Dates interview answering about a possible man with a goatee...

www.youtube.com...

This whole thing has turned into a fiasco that I couldn't even believe a word in court. The supposed gunman is so drugged up that he has no clue why he's there in the first place. And the witness says he has a goatee and the only courtroom video, he has no goatee. He has a scruff, but no goatee.

Holmes' mugshot was in his regular clothes, not the jail outfit. The shirt appears to be a bright orange; that must be part of the "all red" outfit he had on under the tactical gear. No way he was in the theater looking like a Power Ranger. Of course, he could have worn a normal outfit and changed at the car but the hair is still a dead giveaway and no one noticed it.

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Hair sure is a dead give away......

perhaps in his mind it was planted he was the Joker....and we all know most Joker characters had green hair.

so I got to thinking

the woman from Toronto had red hair

is there a Dawn or a Golden Dawn character in that new Batman movie?

another poster on another thread mentioned this woman who dodged the Toronto shooting who died in the Colorado shooting, said on her twitter June 2nd (I think it was), she saw a man dressed as Batman outside the Eaton Shopping Centre. If anyone checks, there is a street that runs paralle to the centre and it's called James Street.

or maybe it's just coincidence? Nothing is a coincidence in this shooting!

Tear gas most being made different then when I was a kid? Back that then, tear gas cause your eyes to feel like they're burning, teary eyes and temporary blindness.

None of us are going to get any answers so it's time to look further a field folks!

LOOK FOR THE TELL TAIL SIGNS! Go beyond James Holmes and his student profile.

I wish we had only 2 or 3 threads on Holmes, there's way too many of them.

1. Look at the Toronto woman

2. her connection to Colorado

3. the hair colour

4. Street names

5. the school next door to the Colorado theatre

6. look for numbers, symbols, anything

That will give you an idea of just how much planning was involved; this shooting was very well planned.

Originally posted by kennethmd
Tear gas most being made different then when I was a kid? Back that then, tear gas cause your eyes to feel like they're burning, teary eyes and temporary blindness.

There are reports from witnesses about being ''hosed naked'' in the car park because of tear gas, which brings the questions of when, where, by whom, were they given fresh clothes, how come they could see to run to their cars, how come there weren't a whole load of blinded people that couldn't see to run anywhere, how come they could call emergency services?

Too many loose ends and things not adding up and there are too many possibility's as to why this happened, its racking my brain and new evidence and things of interest keep popping up, will we ever hear the truth?, its twisting my mind trying to understand this horrific event.

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Kind of weird but if I was asked to connect these two things ''Holmes'' and ''red hair'' I would say Tom Cruise, because the Katie Holmes thing is current and Nicol Kidman was famous as a redhead when married to Tom Cruise. Also if anyone asked me who would hate a Neuroscientist, especially one studying the links to Neurology and behaviour, I would say Scientologists, because as a religion they do not believe in Neuroscience. If I was asked about groups involved in mind control I would say Scientologists, because they do, this has been proven. leaked and widely circulated as fact.

Whilst this isn't an accusation, maybe there is something going on the world on some level that brought this about.

There are organizations that work on actual dimensions, there are corporations, governments and religions that operate on this level, everything isn't always as it appears, in fact it most often isn't.

There are intentional subliminal messages everywhere, as well as powerful symbolism and archetypes that have been ritualistically programmed into national psyche's that most are unaware of.

These symbols and archetypes affect the psyche, as they are fundamental from the start of the evolution of humanity and are ingrained at core level.

There are fight or flight mechanisms that can be activated by symbolism, this is used for controlling populations and everyday behavior and practices.

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This is where Corbin says the guy was 5'8 or 9 then when asked specifically about the guys build and if it was the same guy that took the call that came in the door at around 1:35, he said he couldn't hear, the line got fuzzy and Corbin's voice alters.

reply to post by theabsolutetruth


She asked a damn good question, too bad he couldn't answer. I don't give much weight to the height discrepancy. I'm exactly 6' and even in good lighting people will guess my height anywhere from 5'10 to 6'2. Some people are just really bad at guessing that. So add the dark room, the SWAT gear and other factors it would be easy to mistake height.

It seems that Corbin does feel there were two different people involved. He's very lucky too, 2nd row 4th seat from the right seems like he was in incredible danger as that's where the shooter had the best angle of.

Corbin says one thing that caught my attention, he states 10 min later the movie shut off and he didn't know where the gunman was. The police audio states it was an officer who was in the theater who called for the movie to be shut off. So was corbin in there 10 min later while the officer was in there?? That would mean Corbin stayed for about 8 minutes in there with no shooting going on. That's a long time since the best estimate is the shooting was about 60-90 seconds. Why would he stay in there so long? Odd.

Originally posted by IamMe14
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She asked a damn good question, too bad he couldn't answer. I don't give much weight to the height discrepancy. I'm exactly 6' and even in good lighting people will guess my height anywhere from 5'10 to 6'2. Some people are just really bad at guessing that. So add the dark room, the SWAT gear and other factors it would be easy to mistake height.

It seems that Corbin does feel there were two different people involved. He's very lucky too, 2nd row 4th seat from the right seems like he was in incredible danger as that's where the shooter had the best angle of.

Corbin says one thing that caught my attention, he states 10 min later the movie shut off and he didn't know where the gunman was. The police audio states it was an officer who was in the theater who called for the movie to be shut off. So was corbin in there 10 min later while the officer was in there?? That would mean Corbin stayed for about 8 minutes in there with no shooting going on. That's a long time since the best estimate is the shooting was about 60-90 seconds. Why would he stay in there so long? Odd.

I would say the height thing could be a factor. 7 inches is a lot of height, 5'8 is rather short for a guy, 6' is tall and 6'3 is very tall, like Tom Cruise standing beside Will Ferrell, or a 5' woman beside a 5'8 woman. Besides, Corbin looks around 5'8 so he should know his height. His witness creds maybe are questionable though, but he could be telling the truth.If the guy was 5'8 or 9 and wearing a goatee then that involves someone else.

I would think that people would be saying ''tall''a lot, like ''some tall guy sat in front then went to the exit'' or ''the guy was really tall'' because it would be very apparent. People as witnesses, like to describe all the details they can because the nature of their experience is that they want the culprit caught, and generally use adjectives freely. Suspiciously, there is a lack of adjectives from any of the witnesses.

Corbin should be questioned further with regards to staying in the theatre for the duration, also I recall reports that the police were on site within 7 mins of initial calls to emergency services, so if the shooting ceased within 2 mins he would have realised and presumably made an assessment of the situation, like it was safe to vacate the area, presumably he would want to do this due to the tear gas atmosphere, if the reports of tear gas are accurate, unless blinded laying on the floor, in which case he would probably mention this. This is another conspicuous lack of adjectives from witnesses, like ''my eyes were burning so couldn't see'' or ''we just lay there blinded and hoping'', but the likes of Seeger saying ''he just went up the stairs shooting at anybody that was trying to escape'' if she was suffering from tear gas then she wouldn't know this, also how would she know this if she was laying on the floor the whole time?

The the whole ''SWAT gear'' ''dressed in black'' and ''dressed in red'' anomalies with all the other things like the gas mask, blood trail etc, there are so many things that don't add.

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Do we know for sure what JH's height is? I've heard both 6' and 6'3". I agree 5'9 is a huge difference from 6'3 and would be hard to mistake. But 5'9 to 6' under those conditions I can see how a lot of people would mess that up. A minor thing to note is that with the helmet/mask he might appear to be a tad bit taller than actual height.

I am completely unfamiliar with tear gas, pepper spray, etc so I can't comment from experience. But witness from theater 8 said his wife recognized the smell coming thru the bullet holes (from some training she had done) and identified it as tear gas. So it is weird that more people did not describe extreme discomfort which I assume they would feel if it was actual tear gas.

Any one know how easy/difficult it is to get tear gas? Are the laws on it the same in all 50 states? As an example in California you can't get a switch blade or brass knuckles legally, but when I lived in AZ they sold them in the malls lol. First time I saw them I was shocked. Back on topic, i wonder how difficult it would have been for JH to get tear gas.