Mass shooting in Aurora, CO (At Batman Film Premiere)

reply to post by heycitizen


Quite right. I had 3 kids all under the age of 5. Gosh, with my first two I was dead in the water come 10pm or earlier. Did this mother put coffee in her kid's milk?

I don't often go to the movies anymore but when I do I ALWAYS fall asleep half way through. God forbid if anything happened in our local theatre I'd sleep all the way through and would'nt hear any guns.

reply to post by happyhomemaker29


It would make it harder for the case because we would all dessect it and study the frames.

Originally posted by theabsolutetruth
reply to post by heycitizen

 

Nobody seems to be saying they were suffering the effects of tear gas, just it got smoky!

I've seen different reports of smoke bombs and pepper spray. If both, it could explain the infants being admitted temporarily to ensure no damage to their lungs. When I first bought pepper spray, it was defective and went off. OMG my poor dog, my daughter was 3 months old at the time, and myself. With our asthma, we were having severe trouble breathing. I put our dog on the balcony until the house aired out, and took myself and my daughter to the hospital. They gave her a breathing treatment and me a new inhaler. We didn't need to change clothes or anything like that. It's possible it was just a pepper gas he released, and not a tear gas.

reply to post by heycitizen

The police audio has one of the officers saying that they thought it was CO gas

'CO' - carbon monoxide?

Anyway, the police would have found the canisters and known whether is was a manufactured product and therefore what it was or homemade. Wonder if we will ever be told about that fact.

reply to post by happyhomemaker29


Id say thats a correct assumption going by another poster who says tear gas is more horrid and you need to remove clothing and shower down quickly.

reply to post by roadgravel


If there were cannisters found, Police can trace the serial numbers to the manufacturer who will have receipt of who the purchaser was.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by happyhomemaker29

 

It would make it harder for the case because we would all dessect it and study the frames.

That's what I keep saying but everyone wants all the surveillance released which will be detrimental to prosecuting him. If he is a patsy, it will detrimental to finding the real person. Either way, it's harmful. Release the surveillance footage AFTER the case is over. But everyone wants answers now, which is understandable. Unfortunately, MSM, and us bystanders are going to have to wait for our answers.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
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Id say thats a correct assumption going by another poster who says tear gas is more horrid and you need to remove clothing and shower down quickly.

I know my ex had to go through a tear gas training in the Navy, as I'm sure most of you military did. Can you educate us, did you have to scrub down afterwards? I don't know if he did.

reply to post by happyhomemaker29


I asked earlier, I think on another thread, I want the POLICE mug shot, not one taken of Holmes in prison afew days later. I'm looking for what state he was in when he arrived at the Police Station.

Why won't they release it?

reply to post by happyhomemaker29


I don't know but I can google it

Originally posted by happyhomemaker29

That's what I keep saying but everyone wants all the surveillance released which will be detrimental to prosecuting him. If he is a patsy, it will detrimental to finding the real person. Either way, it's harmful. Release the surveillance footage AFTER the case is over. But everyone wants answers now, which is understandable. Unfortunately, MSM, and us bystanders are going to have to wait for our answers.

Not buying that one. He or someone else did it. Evidence is what should be used to prove a person guilty or innocent. Because people see it, it some how makes what it shows invalid?

How many times are people asked to help find someone wanted for a crime? America's Most Wanted type thing. A picture made public doesn't assure a criminal gets away.

Originally posted by Manhater
Here's another thing that I find far fetched from the reports. If this guy even took whatever 100 MGs of Vicodin or hydrocodone. The amount is an exaggeration. He would not shoot up a place. He would be sleeping it off, like he looked in court.

With drugs like Vicodin, you can become tolerant and dependent on them very easilly. Which means a person would have to keep upping their dose to get the effects it had once it was first started.

So if he was dependent on Vicodin, it is not out of the realms of possibilty that he could have taken 100mg and still be compos mentis.

I know many people with Benzodiazepine addictions, including myself. Some people i know of are taking upto 10mg or more of Klonopin/Clonazepam a day, which is the equivalent of taking 200mg of Valium/Diazepam a day.
Now to someone who has never taken these medications before, that amount could potentially lead to a fatal overdose or other serious problems if they were to take that amount in one go. But if someone has built up a tolerance and dependency over a few years, that amount would be nothing and you wouldn't see any majorly noticable effects if you were to observe the addict.

Also another thought is. What if he had Vicodin in his car and necked 100mg before he was caught, intending to neck a load more as a means to try and top himself?
Perhaps he had every intention of killing himself with a gun, but couldn't go through with it and tried using tablets instead.

Although, i would believe more that he had an addiction to Vicodin.

That's if this Vicodin story is in fact true.

reply to post by skitzspiricy


How about this senario......

Holmes was offered a part in a short movie or documentary, he was told everyone in the theatre were actors and actresses and that his firearms had only blanks? After realising he was conned and the bullets were real, he told Police he was a Batman character in a short flick to do with some kind of psychology experiment, he spat at prison guards etc knowing he was toast and did'nt believe him - who called in doctors to drug him up.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
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How about this senario......

Holmes was offered a part in a short movie or documentary, he was told everyone in the theatre were actors and actresses and that his firearms had only blanks? After realising he was conned and the bullets were real, he told Police he was a Batman character in a short flick to do with some kind of psychology experiment, he spat at prison guards etc knowing he was toast and did'nt believe him - who called in doctors to drug him up.

edit on 24-7-2012 by bluemirage5 because: (no reason given)

If i'm to be honest, i think that would be a bit far fetched. But you never know.

Originally posted by violet

Originally posted by shockedonlooker
I'm wondering about the tear gas too. I don't see anyone with vision or clothing issues Here in this post with vid further upthread. I don't know if tear gas burns the skin. No time stamp or known if this is the first known video of people outside. It's shakey / blurry and looked to be cell phone vid.

edit on 7/24/2012 by shockedonlooker because: (no reason given)

My daughter got tear gassed by cops at the Vancouver riot and I don't recall her saying anything about her skin, just coughing and burning throat, eyes. She wasn't rioting btw, just got stuck in the crowd

You make an excellent point,

I, being a former Marine, can remember gas training in boot camp. Often called CS gas or mustard gas, you will know if a person is exposed to it. There will most definitely be choking, tears, burning (external and internal), nose running, and a 'stunned feeling'.

Yet,none of the witnesses or survivors spoke of any of these complaints or symptoms...

Another thing: its is fact that the average civilian does not understand how a gas mask even works. Most probably think that you simply put it on.

Nope.

You must 'Don and Clear' it...meaning blow out remnants of the gas while covering up a particular part of the mask, and then sucking in clean air to form a seal around the face.

Otherwise, its pointless to even have.

It's harrowing to listen to the radio audio. But it did reveal something to me that was otherwise unknown - he was still wearing the gas mask, or at least had it in his possession when he was found.

You can hear the officer when they discover him, and he describes him first as a male in a gas mask.

So how did the gas mask we have all seen end up at the other end of the building?

Was there more than one gas mask? Did an officer take it there, and why?

Up until now I have firmly believed that there was no evidence to suggest he was working with anyone else, but this one fact makes me question that.

There is also the report by another in theater 8 that they held the fire exit door shut to prevent someone from coming in.

I am now actually starting to think that there was a second person involved, that they were intending to target theater 8, but couldn't get in, dumped their mask and ran.

Again, I go on the most logical, and this inconsistency makes me think that the likelihood of another person being involved has increased significantly. The question is why have the police not mentioned this already?

They probably know if the people in theater 8 had to hold back someone at the fire exit, and the police know how that gas mask ended up where it was, after the officer on the radio stated that they had one in custody in a gas mask...

reply to post by ButterCookie


Yeah, i can vouch for the external burning.

I served with 23 parachute field ambulance (now part of 16 air assault brigade) and i can remember my first experience of CS Gas during our NBC training. Its stings like a right ole bugger and lasts for a good hour or so.

The stinging is actually made worse when you are sweating due to the sweat pores being open and so i would have imagined the effects would have been quite noticable on those involved (im sure they would have been sweating after running to get out of the theater)

Also, regarding decontamination, our decontamination drills involved using fullers earth powder and a cloth blotting pad. The technique we learned was called 'blot bang rub'.

Originally posted by HumanPLC
reply to post by ButterCookie

 

Yeah, i can vouch for the external burning.

I served with 23 parachute field ambulance (now part of 16 air assault brigade) and i can remember my first experience of CS Gas during our NBC training. Its stings like a right ole bugger and lasts for a good hour or so.

The stinging is actually made worse when you are sweating due to the sweat pores being open and so i would have imagined the effects would have been quite noticable on those involved (im sure they would have been sweating after running to get out of the theater)

Also, regarding decontamination, our decontamination drills involved using fullers earth powder and a cloth blotting pad. The technique we learned was called 'blot bang rub'.

Thanks for the firsthand info. Two gas cans went off and the theatre was filled to the degree that the cops wouldn't even enter, and everyone present is hanging around well into the next day in the same clothes. If ANYONE in my family were exposed to any kind of gas during an attack, I'd demand that my entire family be hospitalized and evaluated thoroughly. These people are walking around giving multiple television interviews. WTF?

I find it ironic that this happens to be one of the most heavily surveilled cities in the US, yet I've never even heard of it until this happened. I'm well-traveled and have lived all over the country, and I've never heard of Aurora, CO until. A small town in the middle of a sparsely populated state with almost as much surveillance as NYC? Why? Considering all the residents appear to be actors, maybe Aurora is home to a real life Truman Show.

For anyone in or near Aurora: Any signs of funeral services yet? They would be showing up in the local papers by now. Anyone from there actually know any of the publicly named victims? The Sullivan guy with the extremely expressive dad, the "well known" sports blogger who nobody's heard of (who happened to also be at the recent Montreal shootings). Are these actual people? This is a small town, someone would know them. Did any of the victims grow up there? The suspect sure didn't. Only person so far I've found that claims to be born and raised in Aurora is the actor/model eye witness who goes by three different names.

Do we have a proper victims list?

*PS: I had a typo in my earlier post. It should be CS gas, not CO.

Originally posted by detachedindividual
It's harrowing to listen to the radio audio. But it did reveal something to me that was otherwise unknown - he was still wearing the gas mask, or at least had it in his possession when he was found.

You can hear the officer when they discover him, and he describes him first as a male in a gas mask.

So how did the gas mask we have all seen end up at the other end of the building?

Was there more than one gas mask? Did an officer take it there, and why?

Also there are some reports saying an officer at the scene spotted someone who they at first thought to be part of the response team, they then noticed something about his equipment, there was an exchange of questions and they arrested Holmes.

So that means at the time of arrest he had tactical type clothing on but the evidence photos show much of it on the floor.

Is it possible officers removed it? That would contradict the prison source that said he came to prison with tactical gear on. Is it possible that he removed some or not all of his clothing?

The other explanation as you say is that there was more than one person wearing such clothing at the scene.

Earlier I questioned why Holmes red hair was not seen but he was said to be wearing a helmet and gasmask, a helmet is also shown on photos of the scene.

reply to post by ButterCookie


There is a big difference between tear gas and pepper spray canisters. The pepper spray canisters will only slightly burn exposed skin, and only if it is in direct contact, but it will cause coughing and discomfort in very, very small dosages from a great distance.

As for donning and clearing the mask, Holmes supposedly put the mask on outside before tossing the gas canisters, so he would not have needed to clear it.

The witness reports sound exactly like he used pepper spray canisters, which are easy to buy, and would have created plenty of discomfort, coughing, burning eyes, etc. It is doubtful he found real tear gas, I don't even think cops are using that any more.