What may be the world's first cybernetic hate crime unfolds in French McDonald's

I sincerely hope that headline is a joke. Does everything have to be a "hate" crime now? Isn't "crime" bad enough?

Oh, that's right, plain old crime can't be politicized unless there's a nasty adjective attached to it.

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Its time to get your head out of the sand...

Wow, thanks for the tip. You must be suggesting that I come to understand something that I am 'not getting'. What would that be exactly, cerebralassassins?

Thanks in advance.

X.

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Well then, I have to say I agree that looks should not matter. Unfortunately they do and people are cruel when they are ill informed and I would suspect this is doubly true of the French who take personal pride in being know-it-alls.

Originally posted by Sablicious
Figuratively and literally, the French are an ugly people.

THIS ^ is why the americans are obsessed with "hate crime" and predjudice- because they think everyone is like themselves. If you want to press that assertion , I will put up pics of my french husband and my french kids. Blow that stupidity right out of the water.

This had nothing to do with being North American- the propaganda "the french hate us" that the Bush admin, pushed forward (to increase your hate) was a lie, people, catch up and deny that ignorance! I have been here 22 years, haven't met a french person who dislikes America yet. You were lied to.

But reading through these replies has been very sobering and a good reminder to be careful in the future , and not trust the comments I see on threads. This time I know the subject enough to discern the idiocy, but in the issues I don't know as well, I would be lead very wrong. It seems even here, where denying ignorance is the common intent, people still form opinions around ignorance quite willingly.

The french people are, as a whole very very distrustful of technology. They purposely hang back and take much longer to accept it. Air conditioning has just barely begun to be commonly accepted here right now. This wierd thing is maybe commonly recognized wherever you are, but here? No one has heard of such a thing. I had never heard of or seen one. If I saw one on the street, I would assume it was a camera used for some documentary meant to smear and expose some busness or practice. I am not even half as scared of technology as the french are, and I would still be suspicious!


After that, the whole drama that he was "violently assulted" is just exagerration.

His explanation should have convinced them? I'd like to know how good his french is before I came to the conclusion that they understood his explanation.

Originally posted by CrimsonMoon
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Id assault his ass too if he came round my place and started filming my wife/kids without permission.

There is a name for people with your mentality here in the states.
I'll let you figure out what it is as I can tell from your post that you are of higher than average intelligence.

"royale with cheese..."
i would go into a french macdonalds just to see if this was on the menu!
and i would do it inspite of the fact that i am a vegetarian who never willingly goes into a macdonalds.

back to the anonymity question: we are already surrounded by cameras and recording devices they have become unavoidable. as much as i hate this the future is already being written and the idea of personal privacy anywhere outside of ones place of residence (and even there with many technologies) is gone and will not be coming back. imo only the complete downfall of civilization can stop this 'progress'.
so the only real question becomes how do we deal with it.
unfortunately the possibility of everyone having multiple recording devices on their persons and active 24/7 in order to protect themselves from others doing the same seems to be the most obvious solution. the fact that without your own devices others could hack together whatever they wanted to about you and you would have no recourse means that sooner or later 'the world as it is LIVE!' will soon become the dominanat paradigm.
the reality of facebook/youtube/twitter and whatever the next generations of these are, scares me. the future though seemingly open and bright could be a true nightmare.

fear for the children who will have to deal with it.

This is just wow.

The article says McD workers in Paris have attacked persons with cameras before.
Um Paris is a huge tourist destination, they must see cameras every day.
Why are they so irked by the presence of a camera.

This is just very very weird.

Makes you wonder what this world is coming to.

What's next someone will attack me because I joke with my friends about my zombie knee(cadaver parts) or my shiny metal a##(plate that holds my pelvis together).

I know this was because they hate cameras, and my medical stuff is hidden but still, attacking someone because of an augment?

This is beyond bizarre.

Originally posted by CrimsonMoon
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Probably not allowed to film or photograph inside McD's since supersize me they are probably a bit twitchy about it. Beside what right does he have to go round photo graphing and filming people without their permission.

Id assault his ass too if he came round my place and started filming my wife/kids without permission. The French arn't like Americans they stand up for themselves, their culture and their beliefs, they certainly wont put up with some cheeky yank with a fancy camera.

btw I would hardly call McD's a restaurant...

I don't know about in France, but in America if you are in a public space you have 0 expectation of privacy.
In fact if you can be seen from a public place you have 0 expectation of privacy.
That's how paparazi are allowed to use telescopic lenses to look into peoples homes.

Also if your first knee jerk reaction is to assault people with a camera you might want to see a professional about that.
Just saying that's not the typical or normal response.

Did you even read the articles?
The device does not save the pictures it deletes them as soon as it processes them for information.
The only reason pictures remain from this incident is they were locked in the buffer due to damage.

Originally posted by Bluesma

Originally posted by Sablicious
Figuratively and literally, the French are an ugly people.

THIS ^ is why the americans are obsessed with "hate crime" and predjudice- because they think everyone is like themselves. If you want to press that assertion , I will put up pics of my french husband and my french kids. Blow that stupidity right out of the water.

Seriously?? So you make a comback by doing EXACTLY what he did and you make a point to say something about it?

You do realise how you look now.... right?

I take it you're not american. So you're a ""ian saying that americans are a self rightous lot for saying the French are ugly people who were ripping at a canadian because of his bionics.


lol

There was a song I heard when i was a kid... I dont remember... there is a something on a something on a something on a something...


once I would say.. Bah! Gotta be some bloody kid with no clue. but I cant help to see adult avatars included in all this.

You suprise me every day, ATS.

Originally posted by CrimsonMoon
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You miss the point, the eyetrap contains a CCD Digital camera.

Recording or not is irrelevant, it has the capability. Don't get me wrong I think the technology is neat, but when people start becoming complacent about being filmed, that's when our privacy will be threatened the most.

He was totally wrong to expect it was his right to walk into anywhere with equipment like this without showing some respect for other peoples privacy & rights. Not just the staff but other punters in the 'restaurant'.

Good on them they were right to stand up for their privacy and call him out.

The implications of this technology are disgusting.

Woah, there's some hypocrisy going on here. Americans are the first to vilify generic stereotypes like "Fat" and "Stupid", but are now calling out all French people for being Rude, ignorant and the like. I don’t understand?

You should know, that after being to France many times, I've never experienced any rude or distasteful behaviour, not even in the more rural locations where more traditional characters reside.

As for the story, in no way am I going to justify assault, if that is what actually occurred, but this cyber guy, how was anyone suppose to know it wasn’t recording people? I’ve actually seen this type of thing happen, where a man was using his phone, recording down women’s tops whilst he pretended to text. Just saying, there’s no way people knew what that thing was about. Documentation or not, it’s suspect.

Originally posted by Bluesma
This had nothing to do with being North American- the propaganda "the french hate us" that the Bush admin, pushed forward (to increase your hate) was a lie, people, catch up and deny that ignorance! I have been here 22 years, haven't met a french person who dislikes America yet. You were lied to.

You're lying to yourself and have ruined an otherwise reasonable post.

The French absolutely dislike America and Americans. Just because they're polite enough to not rant and rave in your presence doesn't mean they like you, it means they have manners. I understand that might easily confuse you as an American.

Originally posted by MartyrCollect
You should know, that after being to France many times, I've never experienced any rude or distasteful behaviour, not even in the more rural locations where more traditional characters reside.

Erm, france is not like America. The rural poor locations, mainly in the south, are where the nice and friendly people are.

It's the big cities in the north like Paris that are full of rude people

rural locations, whether in France or anywhere else in the world, are known for their down to earth, friendly people. Only in America are rural locations synonymous with rude bigots

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People who conduct cybernetic hate crimes are not open to other perspectives on life. I was even thinking of outfitting myself with some cybernetics in a decade or two, so hopefully this doesn't develop into a pattern.

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Typical ignorant arrogant retards.
If that would of been me, well I wouldn't like to say on here, but you get my drift.

Originally posted by JailTales
Erm, france is not like America. The rural poor locations, mainly in the south, are where the nice and friendly people are.

It's the big cities in the north like Paris that are full of rude people

rural locations, whether in France or anywhere else in the world, are known for their down to earth, friendly people. Only in America are rural locations synonymous with rude bigots

Southern France, Givet and Signey le Petit, places like that, have very friendly people, whereas I expected traditional people, the kind of people who close shop at 2PM, who aren't for tourists bobbing about their local villages. In Paris, the only rude and ignorant people I've come across are the tourists.

Who the hell manages to get beat up by McDonalds staff??? These poor souls are only one step away from cleaning windows with there tongues. Maybe they thought he was a real robot since they are certainly stupid enough! I know, they asked him if he wanted to make his meal a large, its only another 40p(or equivalent) , he said no and it all went tits up! LoL

Originally posted by optimus primal
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said the same people who thought it was stupid to have a phone, camera, mp3player, internet browser etc in one device.

i don't see your outrage over all the phone cameras taking pictures of random people almost everywhere in the world. or video for that matter, i know my phone is capable of taking video and pictures. i can then immediately upload those videos/photos to any number of social networking sites.

I've known people who were dead paranoid about cameraphones when they were hitting the shelves around 10 years ago. I also had the decency and respect not to point a cameraphone at them.

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I don't believe for one second that the device only took the photographs when damaged. It obviously has the capability, and it only makes sense that it would be able to be controlled at will. Can't be over written. Why? Convenient little camcorder for sight seeing don't you think?

I don't agree with their actions but I don't think this guy is as innocent as he claims.

I can't believe people are actually defending the employees. Now, I have no idea what french laws are, but am I correct to assume it's generally frowned upon attempting to tear things off of other people?

And to the people talking about privacy, how would you like it if a group of people saw you with your cellphone out, came over to you and jerked it out of your hand and destroyed it? I've seen plenty of videos on youtube that were recorded with cellphones, so those do the same thing as his eye.

The employees should be fired for laying hands on him for no reason.