What may be the world's first cybernetic hate crime unfolds in French McDonald's

reply to post by kosmicjack


i can see that reaction, the way you put it. it's unfortunate that such, revulsion is place on anything slightly new or different, like piercings or tattoos or augmented reality tech.

1. This is not a hate crime.

2. If this guy wants to parade around like a cyborg in foreign countries, he better become accustomed to backlash and curiosity. It would be beneficial for him to learn the culture of a particular country to avoid confrontation.

3. The McDonald's employees were most likely being the typical rude French that they are. Mr. Mann being from North America probably didn't help.

4. The fact this is being labelled a 'hate' crime (whatever that is) makes it seem like he is priming for yet another useless lawsuit against an easy target in McDonalds.

5. Hate Crime....pffft. Take your medicine and go home. Be content your not the miserable chump working at that McDonalds.



ETA: Here's a creepy pick of the guy.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


And let's face it - one looks a whole lot weirder than the other. Not saying their reaction was in any way proportionate to the weirdness or acceptable whatsoever.

reply to post by optimus primal


Augmented reality may be being pushed by technology firms and governments however, it is not yet mainstream and to assume that such devices like the eyetap and google glasses will be wildly accepted is at this point only your opinion. My opinion is that if people actually knew what their capabilities/implications were, that may not actually be the case. ..hence why I try to bring information about those capabilities/implications to light...just because you perceive that battle to already be lost doesn't it make it a reality.

As for your statements about privacy and the link you provided, it is only relevant within the United States and isn't relevant in the context of the incident being discussed in this thread. The incident occurred in France and they have a very different expectation of privacy based on their laws.

good for the crowd ... as one not keen on being photographed I tend to break camera's and rip out the film / mem stick ...
not everyone takes kindly to being photographed.. maybe in future he will remember and not point camera's at people without first asking politely ...

reply to post by Goldcurrent


Last I checked, looking creepy isn't a crime. As for augmented reality systems and the like, I'm all for it. Hell, when Google Glass was announced my first thought was "Neat, but how long until I can get 'em implanted?"

reply to post by Expat888

So because your insecure about your looks you act like a jack ass ? Im guessing you've done that to someone inyour home as it would take balls to do it out in a public place like a park and be illegal.

I wonder what everyones reactions would be if this guy was blind.
They had no right to assault him like that end of. All the manager had to do was ask him to leave.
And he does know about the culture if you read his blog post you would know that.
They were just being french i guess. I think its more shocking the police didn't do anything.

And to the guy implying that its no big deal because he looks creepy..

Originally posted by CrimsonMoon
reply to post by Gauss

 

You miss the point, the eyetrap contains a CCD Digital camera.

Recording or not is irrelevant, it has the capability. Don't get me wrong I think the technology is neat, but when people start becoming complacent about being filmed, that's when our privacy will be threatened the most.

He was totally wrong to expect it was his right to walk into anywhere with equipment like this without showing some respect for other peoples privacy & rights. Not just the staff but other punters in the 'restaurant'.

Good on them they were right to stand up for their privacy and call him out.

Interesting perspective and probably correct.

reply to post by IpsissimusMagus


Sorry for not mentioning this sooner, you have the right twitter account but the wrong Steve Mann homepage, here's the correct ones;

www.eecg.toronto.edu...

genesis.eecg.toronto.edu...

www.wearcomp.org...

reply to post by newcovenant


He did show respect did anyone even read the article # me...
He showed them his doctors papers and explained what it was.
I guess you think its ok they tried to rip it out of his head while his wife and kids were there?
And the way he looks is really irrelevant and really a sign of peoples immaturity

Its funny how he didn't have any problem while he was on his 2 week trip untill he went to mcdonals.

I guess you think its ok they tried to rip it out of his head while his wife and kids were there?
And the way he looks is really irrelevant and really a sign of peoples immaturity

I read it as a sign of Mann's lack of common sense.

Its funny how he didn't have any problem while he was on his 2 week trip untill he went to mcdonals.

Perhaps because attention-seekers are the norm over there, and Paris is a relatively safe place, as far as muggings, assaults, etc. are concerned.

Figuratively and literally, the French are an ugly people.

Originally posted by Bixxi3
reply to post by newcovenant

 

He did show respect did anyone even read the article # me...
He showed them his doctors papers and explained what it was.
I guess you think its ok they tried to rip it out of his head while his wife and kids were there?
And the way he looks is really irrelevant and really a sign of peoples immaturity

Its funny how he didn't have any problem while he was on his 2 week trip untill he went to mcdonals.

edit on 17-7-2012 by Bixxi3 because: (no reason given)

I said this to another poster....

Interesting perspective and probably correct.

You got all that from it.
And people talk about the French being rude? They got nothing on us.

I like the way you guess what I think. It is totally incorrect but the fact that you bother to try and guess and then write it down as if it is so is pretty amusing to me. Almost as if you have some kind of a sixth sense, which it appears you don't. The way he looks is not irrelevant unfortunately, as much as it probably should be.

Actually i was of the mind that this was not a hate crime...but thankfully opinions can change when more facts arise.....It is defo a hate crime just by all the responses in here and another thread on this.....the guy was minding his own business with his family...he is a inventor...and his inventions may someday help the blind see...

But the common thing seems to be he deserved what he got simply because of how he looked....Sorry folks...he is the victim of a vicious ignorant attack by ignorant self righteous arrogant people who feel they have the right to inflict their beliefs onto another human being because of how he looks.

He tried to explain to them in a rational way...and if they had any sense they might have themselves gained some valuable knowledge.....but nope they took it upon themselves to attack the man.

Disgusting.....this is pure ignorance in it's true form....and from the comments by some people on both these threads it show how ignorant people are here as well.

I think that he should sue MacDonalds...then when he gets his payout....go after each one of those ignorant little so and so's who did this...and make sure they suffer the full consequences of their actions.

Originally posted by Gauss


Crazy #. To me it seems like it was totally unprovoked, and if that's the case, those employees should be fired and sued. We have enough hate crime in this world without people starting to go after those with prosthetics, so we better make some warning examples of those who would go after people like Mann.

Reddit has apparently set up a page or whatever for it as well, and John Biggs on TechCrunch calls for a boycott of McDonalds. I got to say I agree with him.

io9.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

I read the article. There was no logical reason for the attack. But then we are dealing with the French.

Don't be surprised about what happened to Mann, there are things far worse happening in French society. They are among the most culturally arrogant and racist clan of any on the planet.

They gave us the Statue of Liberty for our support during WWII, and now this same country incarcerates women for wearing religious attire in public.

How insulting.

reply to post by CrimsonMoon


The guy was Canadian, did you read the article?

.....the guy was minding his own business with his family...he is a inventor...and his inventions may someday help the blind see...

I think that he should sue MacDonalds...then when he gets his payout....go after each one of those ignorant little so and so's who did this...and make sure they suffer the full consequences of their actions.

The good old professor might have a couple of problems here. The terms 'sousveillance' and 'equiveillance' (whatever they mean) recur quite often on those sites Ericthenewbie linked to, so he certainly wasn't minding his own business if that camera thing was related in any way to surveillance, which I understand would have been illegal under European law without the consent of the McDonalds employees or a warrant.

Maybe I'm slightly off here, but McDonalds can afford the type of lawyers who will spin the argument this way in court.

What an odd story.

But I wouldn't go so far as to call this a "hate crime"

I can actually empathize with the attackers... so these glasses take pictures and record.... I would not want this guy looking at me, taking down info about me digitally. Not without my permission, which I would never give him. So I can understand their anger with this guy.

His poor eye sight could just be an excuse. He could be scanning every face that he comes across (retinas, measurements, etc.) to be used for surveillance purposes.

I am NOT OK with this.

I apologize in advance if this derails the thread....but I absolutely had to respond to the poster below;

reply to post by Sablicious


I can't speak on behalf of the ATS women and their tastes in men but you'd have to be crazy not to think that french women aren't some of the world's best;

www.ranker.com...

www.ranker.com...

Originally posted by Maxmars
And where is the motive for this assault? The protection of corporate assets?

No it sounds like a reaction to his Borg-like appearance.