Survey: How Many Have Switched from Extraterrestrial Hypothesis to Interdimensional?

reply to post by ExopoliticianSupreme
That is funny, because I noted that you were displaying a previously un-demonstarted I.Q. level. It was quite puzzling.

I wasn't the only one who noticed either. Gotta go.

As they say...



Or as My Favorite Martian would say...
My Favorite Martian - I'd Rather Fight Than Switch

Besides as Architect David Vincent learned,
The Invaders... They're Already Here

They're already here.


And while some people believe...
They're here, the flying saucers are here.

Others already know the truth...

The Eye in the Sky.. is watching us right now

as we sit here typing away in our little world

instead of going outside and watching the skies!

The Invaders was massive in France, in an interview Roy Thinnes mentions he received some considerable mail documenting many sightings that seem to have not been catalogued elsewhere. I hope one day, he passes those letters on, if he still has them.

I've thought about this before as well as considered that they may be us or "creations" by us for the future. With genetic manipulation becoming mainstream what we look like now will not always be a thing that is set in stone. We could have bodies more suitable to whatever environment we want to explore..

I've also thought that we would encounter robots first or biobots or something.. robot doesn't really cut it.

reply to post by FangBlackbone
The time travel paradoxes are hard to get around, but then again I think that such a thing as paradox even exists is a clue to our bigger questions.

Some have suggested that there are ways around the TT paradox, so could be. It would expain why I thought Burgess Meredith was dead long before he was...he is still dead this time ain't he?

If I'm not careful I'm gonna Strange Loop myself again.

Thanks, Fang!

Originally posted by FireMoon
The Invaders was massive in France, in an interview Roy Thinnes mentions he received some considerable mail documenting many sightings that seem to have not been catalogued elsewhere. I hope one day, he passes those letters on, if he still has them.

Gah, what a cool show, man!! I mean, ahem, I only saw it in reruns. I'm not that old.

It did play in reruns didn't it.

Folk probably shared stories with Thinnes that they wouldn't share anywhere else, too. Fine actor, that one.

Don't know if people have noticed this however.... The opening scene to the original version of Repo Man is actually a lift and copy of a classic scene from The Invaders. The weird thing is, the reason I spotted it is that, as a young kid the scene Cox copies and uses in Repo man was one that always stuck in my mind as being genuinely quite creepy.

Sorry, I can't remember the title of the episode of The Invaders however, it starts with a cop pulling a speeding car over and asking to see in the trunk. The guy says..."You don;t want to look in there" the cope insists and is greeted by the sight of one of the eponymous Invaders glowing as his human form needs regeneration. Vincent reads about the incident in a paper. and drives to the town to investigate.

Mentioned it before however bares repeating. if you have a genuine interest in Ufology the TV series "The Invaders", UFO and the films Quatermas 2 and Quatermas and the Pit really are essential viewing. Between them they contain just about every piece of modern folk law pertaining to the subject. The final episode of UFO even deals with a limited control over time. I don't think it's mere coincidence that Thinnes later turned up, a couple of times, in the X-Files.

Okay, I know it's a touchy subject but whether the change in our consciousness and belief systems about the UFO phenomenon is a result of intention by "Aliens," or just a by-product, it can't be denied that our perceptions, to a large degree, have seen a radical shift over the last 60 years.

Have we been intentionally manipulated? Have we been presented with a baffling set of phenomenon that have largely restructured the human psyche?

The following are some cut-up quotes and pieces of an interview with Jacques Vallee that I butchered from brainstubator that cobbled it together themselves.

“When I speak of a control system for planet earth, I do not want my words to be misunderstood: I do not mean that some higher order of beings has locked us inside the constraints of a space-bound jail, closely monitored by psychic entities we might call angels or demons. I do not propose to redefine God.

What I do mean is that mythology rules at a level of our social reality over which normal political and intellectual action has no power...

“The phenomenon presented by UFOs is far larger than current speculation about “aliens from space.” It raises questions about consciousness, about the nature of reality and about human history on the Earth. I welcome every opportunity to meet specialists in these disciplines and learn from them.

...Now, if you go to the movies while the movie is playing, it’s suddenly different because now it is a sensory experience—you see it; you react! It speeds up your heart, and does all kinds of physiological things to you. But does it mean that Bambi exists?

Of course not. There is a basic flaw in that level of analysis, and I think that’s a pitfall in which the whole of UFOlogy, especially American UFOlogy, has fallen. There is only a first-level reading….

...Instead of looking at the screen, what I want to do is to turn around and look the other way. When we look the other way what we see is a little hole at the top of the wall with some light coming out. That’s where I want to go. I want to steal the key to the projectionist’s booth, and then, when everybody has gone home, I want to break in. And what you find there is a meta-system.

It’s a system of wheels that can generate anything you want—Bambi, Rambo, “Close Encounters"…

.Usually there is a consensus on the major aspects of the physical parameters of it [the abduction experience], but people can disagree on, for example, when there is interaction with entities. Different people may be perceiving different things.

There is a social, mythological aspect to it also, and that can be very tricky. I think it’s important to bring this out so that people can be alerted to it, especially since the publication of “Communion.”...


...Clark: What do you think of the abduction cases?

Vallee: Again, I’m interested mainly in their symbolic contents.

Let me explain what I mean. We live in a society that is oriented toward technology, so when we see something unusual in the sky we think of it in physical terms. How is it manufactured? What makes it tick? What is its propulsion system? We tend to assume that the physical phenomenon is its most important aspect and that everything else is just a side effect and much less important.

But perhaps we’re facing something which is basically a social technology. Perhaps the most important effects from the UFO technology are the social ones and not the physical ones. In other words the physical reality may serve only as a kind of triggering device to provide images for the witness to report. These perceptions are manipulated to create certain kinds of social effects.

If that’s true, then the abduction cases are quite revealing….Those questions may be totally irrelevant because maybe that person never actually went inside the object

...I came to that conclusion because abduction cases, in close encounter cases in general, what the witness is saying is absurd...

...I don’t mean simply to imply that the account is silly. I mean it has absurdity as a semantic construction. If you’re trying to express something which is beyond the comprehension of a subject, you have to do it through statements that appear contradictory or seem absurd.

For example, in Zen Buddhism the seeker must deal with such concepts as “the sound of one hand clapping” - an apparently preposterous notion which is designed to break down ordinary ways of thinking. The occurrences of similar “absurd” messages in UFO cases brought me to the idea that maybe we’re dealing with a sort of control system that is subtly manipulating human consciousness.

www.brainsturbator.com...

edit on 21-7-2012 by The GUT because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by mbkennel

 

MBK...actually...there is a Theory...MINE...that I have run by Mitsuo Kaku at a Party...he say's he doesn't drink but I know better.

Many worlds has nothing to do with how many quarks comprise a proton. The double-slit experiment exhibits the wave-particle duality with photons which are themselves elementary particles

The extra mass of a proton, eighty times that of the rest masses of its constituent three quarks, is attributed to the quantum chromodynamics binding energy of the gluons holding the quarks together

In a many worlds universe anything that has a finite probability will be manifested in a copy of the Universe. Including alien visitation, and meeting Michio Kaku

Originally posted by The GUT
reply to post by ExopoliticianSupreme

 

That is funny, because I noted that you were displaying a previously un-demonstarted I.Q. level. It was quite puzzling.

I wasn't the only one who noticed either. Gotta go.

So we have a complete poser here who has entertained himself this way why? You seem completely unperplexed here, inscutable even. Care to tell us what the story inside the story is?

Franklin J. Camper is, these days, a super troll. He's pretty much universally despised across the internet. He has a "history" as it were. He's also a "sock puppet" king. He's used at least one on this thread. But let's look at who Frankie really is.

He first came to my attention on ATS at the following link:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

A little digging showed him to be a rather odious dude in my opinion. He uses the word "operative" but his shady work with some shady faction of the FBI was in the capacity of "informant." Informant being another word for "snitch."

He presents himself as a "hero" but the following news report about his Merc School is probably closer to the truth. He hates these vids, btw, I wonder why.

www.mercenary-wars.net...

The first half is interesting and calls him on some lies, but Part II, was very revealing for me. They interview a couple of the youths who are to be pitied. They are not very bright, but Franklin J. Camper was more than happy to teach them to kill.

I use the term "teach" very loosely because Frankie don't seem to be all that talented in the Merc department. For someone who professes to be so skilled a snitch, er, I mean "operative," he seems to be pretty easy to catch doing stupid stuff.

"The evidence, viewed in the light most favorable to the government, established the following facts.

In 1985, Franklin Joseph Camper was the owner and operator of the "Mercenary Association," a mercenary training school located near Birmingham, Alabama.

William Dean Hedgcorth, James LaRosa Cuneo, and Paul Johnson were students and teaching assistants at the Mercenary Association.

Elizabeth Hamilton and Charlotte Wycoff owned and operated the California Learning Centers, a chain of private schools located in San Bernardino and Orange Counties in California.

In late July 1985, Hamilton and Wycoff contacted Camper in connection with a series of employment problems at the Learning Centers. Hamilton and Wycoff requested help in dealing with three teachers, two of whom had brought state unfair labor practice charges against the Learning Centers after they were fired.

Camper recruited Hedgcorth, Cuneo, Johnson, and his girlfriend, Lee Ann Faulk, to do some "unconventional security work." His plan was to locate the disgruntled teachers and "______ them up."

After a series of practice runs, the mercenaries went to work on the early morning of August 13, 1985. At approximately 3:00 a.m., the defendants drove to the home of one of the disgruntled teachers. The defendants placed two of the firebombs under the teacher's car, poked holes in the plastic container, and lit the napalm-like mixture with a rolled-up newspaper.

The defendants then fled. The firebombs produced the desired napalm effect and the car was nearly totally destroyed. The defendants followed the same essential procedure at the home of the second disgruntled teacher. Again, the teacher's car was almost totally destroyed. The heat from the firebombs was so intense that it melted the paint on the teacher's house.

The defendants abandoned plans to firebomb the house of the third disgruntled teacher when they noticed a police car nearby.


There were no witnesses to either firebombing. Cuneo and Johnson testified for the government as part of a plea agreement. They stated that Camper orchestrated the arson spree, and that Camper and Hedgcorth were both involved in setting off the firebombs. Camper and Hedgcorth denied any involvement in the preparation or use of the firebombs. They argued that they had carried out a legitimate investigation, and that the firebombings were a "frolic and detour" committed by Johnson and Cuneo alone."

ftp.resource.org...

AND:

When Camper was being served a warrant by the Dolomite, Alabama sheriff, Camper heard of the approaching lawman and fled into the woods. The sheriff organized a posse of locals and went after him. Frank Camper, who was supposedly a world-class expert in escape and evasion was easily captured - by a posse of civilian turkey hunters.

Whether Camper's legend is genuine or not is irrelevant. He has trained terrorists and the Merc School was a terrorist training locale. That should make everyone who took his training a terror suspect.
thegallopingbeaver.blogspot.com...

Yep, that's right, Turkey Hunters. Got one that day fer sure.

He has had some sleazy connection to Iran-Contra and was brought out of prison to testify before Congress about it.

Something slimy going on? Frank's your man. He has been given credit, I'll admit, for "saving" the Indian Prime Ministers life, but after looking at Franklin J. more closely, I'm sure it was to his benefit, otherwise the Prime Minister would've been dead.

Anyways, that act is kind of offset by him training those Sikh Bombers at his school:

www.people.com...

Poor Frank is not really liked much anywhere he goes it seems:

LEAVENWORTH, Kan. — Former Alabama mercenary school instructor Frank Camper was attacked in Leavenworth's federal prison and scalded with boiling water, forcing prison officials to isolate him, his sister said.

Camper, 41, is serving a 14-year sentence for playing a role in the August, 1985, firebombings of cars belonging to two disgruntled former teachers with a chain of prep schools in Orange and San Bernardino.

Two women who operated the schools were accused of hiring Camper to bomb the cars after the teachers complained to state agencies about their dismissals. The women pleaded guilty to related charges.

Frances Camper Freeman told the Birmingham (Ala.) News that her brother was attacked in early November by other inmates after he saw a note saying "merc" or "60 Minutes government rat" on his chair in the television room.

Based on letters and telephone calls, she says her brother was jumped by five other inmates when he left the room and one inmate poured boiling water on his back.

Camper was cleared of any wrongdoing in the incident, but is kept isolated from other prisoners and given few privileges for his safety, Freeman said. Prison officials would only acknowledge that Camper is confined there and his projected release date is Oct. 13, 1995.

But his lawyers and relatives say the former Jefferson County (Ala.) mercenary training camp operator has a high profile.

Birmingham attorney Bill DelGrusso said Camper's run-in with the inmates was the result of a repeat presentation of a CBS "60 Minutes" news segment on Camper and his mercenary camp. DelGrusso said because the report characterized Camper as a snitch, he became a target in the prison.

articles.latimes.com...

He's apparently cyber-stalked some of my friends here, who won't be mentioned because they've had to change their screen names/accounts to try and shake him. Slime is as Slime Does.

There's MUCH more, but that's probably enough for now.

reply to post by quantumfluctuation


My Theory is based upon or a better way of putting it...examining what is the TRIGGER that sets off the Creation of an DIVERGENT UNIVERSAL STATE OF REALITY THAT FORKS OFF FROM ANOTHER UNIVERSAL REALITY?

Quantum Particle Exchange or Blinking in and out of existence certain Quantum Particles...and I chose Quarks although this maybe not the only Quantum Particles that determine a TRIGGER about to be pulled...is not subject to what another has based their MANY WORLDS THEORY UPON.

Quantum Particle Entanglement...which Einstein Himself called...SPOOKY...I believe to be part of the process as I believe that Entanglement is not just bound to One Universal Condition. Nor do I believe that it is coincidence that there are Minimums and Maximums that must be adhered to for Numerical Quantities of Quantum Particle/Wave Forms existing within a Proton and Neutrons.

It is to me PROBABILITY that is on the same level and effect or is a Tangible Physical Aspect of Quantum Mechanics. This Probability dictates creation...in my theory...of build up of Quantum Particles and thus cascades to others of which ALL are in a state of Entanglement. This would allow for the Energy to exist for such Divergent Realities creation. Split Infinity

Originally posted by The GUT
Franklin J. Camper is, these days, a super troll. He's pretty much universally despised across the internet. He has a "history" as it were. He's also a "sock puppet" king. He's used at least one on this thread. But let's look at who Frankie really is.

He first came to my attention on ATS at the following link:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

A little digging showed him to be a rather odious dude in my opinion. He uses the word "operative" but his shady work with some shady faction of the FBI was in the capacity of "informant." Informant being another word for "snitch."

He presents himself as a "hero" but the following news report about his Merc School is probably closer to the truth. He hates these vids, btw, I wonder why.

www.mercenary-wars.net...

The first half is interesting and calls him on some lies, but Part II, was very revealing for me. They interview a couple of the youths who are to be pitied. They are not very bright, but Franklin J. Camper was more than happy to teach them to kill.

I use the term "teach" very loosely because Frankie don't seem to be all that talented in the Merc department. For someone who professes to be so skilled a snitch, er, I mean "operative," he seems to be pretty easy to catch doing stupid stuff.

"The evidence, viewed in the light most favorable to the government, established the following facts.

In 1985, Franklin Joseph Camper was the owner and operator of the "Mercenary Association," a mercenary training school located near Birmingham, Alabama.

William Dean Hedgcorth, James LaRosa Cuneo, and Paul Johnson were students and teaching assistants at the Mercenary Association.

Elizabeth Hamilton and Charlotte Wycoff owned and operated the California Learning Centers, a chain of private schools located in San Bernardino and Orange Counties in California.

In late July 1985, Hamilton and Wycoff contacted Camper in connection with a series of employment problems at the Learning Centers. Hamilton and Wycoff requested help in dealing with three teachers, two of whom had brought state unfair labor practice charges against the Learning Centers after they were fired.

Camper recruited Hedgcorth, Cuneo, Johnson, and his girlfriend, Lee Ann Faulk, to do some "unconventional security work." His plan was to locate the disgruntled teachers and "______ them up."

After a series of practice runs, the mercenaries went to work on the early morning of August 13, 1985. At approximately 3:00 a.m., the defendants drove to the home of one of the disgruntled teachers. The defendants placed two of the firebombs under the teacher's car, poked holes in the plastic container, and lit the napalm-like mixture with a rolled-up newspaper.

The defendants then fled. The firebombs produced the desired napalm effect and the car was nearly totally destroyed. The defendants followed the same essential procedure at the home of the second disgruntled teacher. Again, the teacher's car was almost totally destroyed. The heat from the firebombs was so intense that it melted the paint on the teacher's house.

The defendants abandoned plans to firebomb the house of the third disgruntled teacher when they noticed a police car nearby.


There were no witnesses to either firebombing. Cuneo and Johnson testified for the government as part of a plea agreement. They stated that Camper orchestrated the arson spree, and that Camper and Hedgcorth were both involved in setting off the firebombs. Camper and Hedgcorth denied any involvement in the preparation or use of the firebombs. They argued that they had carried out a legitimate investigation, and that the firebombings were a "frolic and detour" committed by Johnson and Cuneo alone."

ftp.resource.org...

AND:

When Camper was being served a warrant by the Dolomite, Alabama sheriff, Camper heard of the approaching lawman and fled into the woods. The sheriff organized a posse of locals and went after him. Frank Camper, who was supposedly a world-class expert in escape and evasion was easily captured - by a posse of civilian turkey hunters.

Whether Camper's legend is genuine or not is irrelevant. He has trained terrorists and the Merc School was a terrorist training locale. That should make everyone who took his training a terror suspect.
thegallopingbeaver.blogspot.com...

Yep, that's right, Turkey Hunters. Got one that day fer sure.

Amazing, GUT.

How long have you been obsessed with this scum?

Originally posted by The GUT

www.mercenary-wars.net...

www.youtube.com...

dvdguy2011 has been terminated because we received multiple third-party claims of copyright infringement regarding material the user posted.

Originally posted by BoilingFrog

Originally posted by The GUT

www.mercenary-wars.net...

www.youtube.com...

dvdguy2011 has been terminated because we received multiple third-party claims of copyright infringement regarding material the user posted.

You don't have to go to the youtube account. The vid is on the linked page. It appears to be embedded.

Try again: www.mercenary-wars.net...

p.s. - I tole y'all he hated that vid!!

Originally posted by BoilingFrog
Amazing, GUT.

How long have you been obsessed with this scum?

Hey, you, er I mean, "He" showed up here and asked for it, Frank, er I mean, Boiling Frog.

A masochist, I take it?

Originally posted by The GUT

Originally posted by BoilingFrog
Amazing, GUT.

How long have you been obsessed with this scum?

Hey, you, er I mean, "He" showed up here and asked for it, Frank, er I mean, Boiling Frog.

A masochist, I take it?

Sorry, GUT, your paranoia is hijacking your own thread.

reply to post by The GUT

GUT...I watched the VID...a few things that this man was teaching are completely the wrong techniques to take down an enemy.

I site the demonstration of placing a Garrote around your enemies neck and in his video the man with the Garrote improperly turns his back and spins. The only purpose of turning your back to your enemy while a...HOPEFULLY...wire Garrote has been placed around your enemies neck is to lift them off their feet quickly while bending your self forward with one of your legs and foot planted firmly in front of the other with some space in between for your balance...then as you quickly bend at your waist with one leg and foot placed forward...it causes your enemies own weight as they are pulled up and bent in reverse to easily and QUICKLY...break their NECK.

You would NEVER SPIN...as this places you off balance and offers more time for your enemy...as this will not allow the proper leverage for you to break their neck or sever their WIND PIPE OR CAROTID ARTERY...and this time could allow your enemy to grab a KNIFE on their person and STAB YOU IN YOUR KIDNEY OR AROUND YOUR TORSO AND STAB YOUR LIVER OR OTHER MAJOR ORGANS.

The purpose and GOAL of using a Garrote is usually reserved for a QUIET KILL as they cannot speak and is used for Killing for the purpose of INFILTRATION. NO ONE uses this technique unless it is all they have to kill someone with.

The use of a Garrote is also never associated with interrogation. Sorry but this does not jive. I know what I am talking about. Split Infinity