X class flare, almost direct hit Saturday

reply to post by MamaJ

Keep an eye on the GOES magnetometers. They're starting to show a bit of action. Should kick up a notch soon.
www.swpc.noaa.gov...

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No doubt and it could happen but I would like to think I could prepare within a time frame and be just fine. I think my family and I could survive in the dark, although todays time is so much different.

Off to watch this minor storm and get something done around the house. Reading and learning is just so much fun though. Ugh!

GOES magnetometers showing...right on time, about 40 minutes after ACE.
www.swpc.noaa.gov...

Originally posted by Phage
GOES magnetometers showing...right on time, about 40 minutes after ACE.
www.swpc.noaa.gov...

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Hahaha... Yes it is! Shot up like a rocket!

Originally posted by MamaJ
Why wouldmit not affect our weather on earth? When a cme comes into our atmosphere it brings charged particles that disturb our atmosphere and more. This flare was not all that big.... Yeah it was a strong one but nothing like it could be when the Sun reaches maximum.

And AGAIN, I am not saying it doesnt have an indirect effect. Of course it likely does. You keep using a straw man by claiming i am saying it has no effect at all. I'm saying that your and other's claims that it has a DIRECT effect is incorrect and unsupported by the majority of experts on the subject. If your argument was honest, you woudnt need to constantly move the goal posts and adjust your claims as they are shown to be wrong.

So, to repeat, 'space weather' does not have a direct effect on the wind and rain on earth. And NASA does not say it does. Despite what you keep claiming. You are misunderstanding the difference between a DIRECT effect and a long term indirect effect.

Originally posted by Phage
GOES magnetometers showing...right on time, about 40 minutes after ACE.
www.swpc.noaa.gov...

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Can you direct me to the site you are watching? I cant figger it out.

reply to post by stanguilles7

The link is to the magnetometers on the GOES satellites. What is seen is fluctuations in the Earth's magnetic field. The sudden spike shows the "impact" of the initial shock of the CME on the magnetosphere.

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Sorry but I think you misunderstand what the experts believe or dont believe but I will not argue. There are all kinds of good reads out in internet world and I honestly think we need to agree to disagree.

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So it seems it hasnt ramped up just yet, I wonder if it will intensify?

What are your thoughts?

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Does this mean around midnight? Do we know where the major brunt of energy will go?

Originally posted by MamaJ
reply to post by stanguilles7

 

Sorry but I think you misunderstand what the experts believe or dont believe but I will not argue. There are all kinds of good reads out in internet world

You havent linked to one single credible one yet.

Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by MamaJ
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Sorry but I think you misunderstand what the experts believe or dont believe but I will not argue. There are all kinds of good reads out in internet world

You havent linked to one single credible one yet.

Maybe you need to change eye doctors, lol. Serioisly?

And what have you provided this thread again?

Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by solargeddon

Originally posted by mcsteve
reply to post by Jerisa

 

They don't. The Magnetosphere and ionosphere are affected. The wether on earth is not.

Really ? And you know this how ?

Where are your sources ?

None of you actually know 100% .....Even NASA doesn't know

"We don't know yet how these affect weather or climate -- likely there is not any direct effect," he said, "but there may be, over time, influences on ozone that affect climate."

Link to Source

I'm not saying there is a direct link, but I'm not going to rule out a possible correllation either, I suggest anyone with factual proof to the contrary, please put me out of my misery

You just answered your own question. Your source says "likely there is not any direct effect".

Yes, solar activity may have an indirect effect on the mechanisms that effect climate, which in turn effect weather, but the original claim that this will have a direct effect on earth weather is simply wrong. It's right there in your own post. Read it.

People get confused because they conflate the term space weather' with the actual phenomena of weather on earth ,It's a misnomer. Ther eis no direct connection.

Erm, excuse me, where is your evidence to substantiate your position ?

As reading comprehension isn't your strong point, may I draw attention to the line, where I pointed out the non direct link, gee you like wasting thread space ?!

Secondly, nobody here is getting confused between space weather, and the weather here on Earth (I'll give you a clue space weather occurs in space lol).

The effect of solar activity does catch up with us in the long term weather patterns on Earth, it just takes time to see it.

Yes, I understand, however we cannot say the sun has no effect on our weather, as it quite clearly does, your just splitting hairs.

By the way still waiting on that support material ........

Check this out from www.spaceweather.com...

Love me some space weather. CME gets some attention.

CME IMPACT: As expected, a CME hit Earth's magnetic field on July 14th at approximately 1800 UT or 11 am Pacific Daylight Time). A geomagnetic storm is brewing in the wake of the impact. At the moment, conditions appear favorable for auroras over high-latitude places such as Canada, Scandinavia, Antarctica and Siberia. It is too early to say whether the storm will intensify and bring auroras to middle latitudes as well. Stay tuned for updates. Aurora alerts: text, voice. The arrival of the CME shook Earth's magnetic field, which in turn induced electrical currents in the ground at Arctic latitudes. Rob Stammes measured the effect from his magnetic observatory in Lofoten, Norway: Stammes has observed many CME strikes from his laboratory at the Polar Light Center. He says this one was not particularly strong, at least in terms of ground currents. Whether this presages an equally muted display of Northern Lights remains to be seen.

Originally posted by solargeddon


Secondly, nobody here is getting confused between space weather, and the weather here on Earth (I'll give you a clue space weather occurs in space lol).

Oh Really?:

Observe:

Originally posted by antar
No doubt it will continue to wreak havoc on our winds and weather here in the US.

Originally posted by solargeddonThe effect of solar activity does catch up with us in the long term weather patterns on Earth, it just takes time to see it.

That is what I am saying.

Yes, I understand, however we cannot say the sun has no effect on our weather, as it quite clearly does, your just splitting hairs.

Pointing out the difference between an immediate and direct effect and a POSSIBLE connection to one aspect of the mechanisms which have long term effects on climate, which has an indirect effect on weather is not 'splitting hairs'. It's pointing out the difference between apples and oranges.

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Originally posted by MamaJ

Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by MamaJ
reply to post by stanguilles7

 

Sorry but I think you misunderstand what the experts believe or dont believe but I will not argue. There are all kinds of good reads out in internet world

You havent linked to one single credible one yet.

Maybe you need to change eye doctors, lol. Serioisly?

And what have you provided this thread again?

I've pointed out that your claim that NASA says there is a direct effect on earth weather conditions in the lower atmosphere and space weather is incorrect. I get that this annoys you, but it is a useful contribution because it is denying your ignorance. Just because you dont appreciate being repeatedly shown to be wrong, doesnt mean its not useful.

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All you have shown is your eagerness to argue while I have offered multiple links and info proving my stance. You are just key board happy or something?? I dont know.

Hmmm, wonder if it's here. At about 6:30PM here in central NY I lost my satellite tv. Sky's hazy but clear temps about 93. Anybody else haveing problems?

reply to post by Chance321

It's been here for about 4.5 hours. But geomagnetic activity doesn't really affect weather.
There is currently minor geomagnetic storming (G1) occurring. It's possible but unlikely it has anything to do with the loss of satellite reception.

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Three other people in the area lost their satellie signals too, Dish and Direct, heard from a couple people out around CT and theirs is out too, so somethings up. Dish's 1-800 numbers busy so I guess a lot of people must be out. . Gonna try online. see if might have better luck getting through.