Parts of Chicago now akin to Iraq-Afghanistan tribal/civil war

reply to post by antonia


i don't think the gangs will go away.

and chicago gangs and la gangs have a common link in mississippi...that's where all their founders are from.

gangs are real and will no more disappear than the american indian, no matter what is done. sending off veterans to die in those neighborhoods with a false sense of bravado is just mean and shortsighted...as far as I can tell, those gangs got veterans too...jason voorhees types.

and as far as the violence in the city...i think the leaders of the city need to check their own underwear first before pointing their fingers as someone else.

reply to post by michaelbrux


Yeah, I live in Clarksville, TN near 41-A. It's called the bootleggers run and used to be a hot bed for gangs who ran liquor up and down the road. Now it's drugs, Clarksville isn't bad, but Hopkinsville is and most of Chicago's gangs can be found there. You can send all the veterans you want, these people have no regard for civilized morals and they will just slaughter those poor guys. They have no regard for any authority. I don't think we should just lay over and die, but I'mma say this-My husband has been to the middle east 4 times and even he says he'd rather go there then Chicago or Detroit. About the only thing that is going to end the violence there is a nuclear bomb.

reply to post by antonia


its obvious no one has laid down, as the violence is isolated. if people were laying down it would be city wide and its obvious that the vast majority of this land is inhabitable and pleasant.

but i still think its obvious that gangs wouldn't be so successful without considerable assistance from law enforcement and the courts at all levels of government.

and no matter how adaptable they are to the situation; official corruption is a part of the fuel that keeps that fire going and the reason they hold the law in low regard.

back in the 70s Mickey Cogwell attended Richard Nixon's inauguration. Jeff Fort was a Agent of the Libyan government.

i think people should not complain too loudly about what they've helped build.

reply to post by ADVISOR


Actually, I think crime would be hampered if people were allowed to carry guns in Illinois, not just the Gang members.......



Theres also another part of the solution, but I don't want to go break T&C rules with it. Lets just say whats the prime source of "money", for these gangs? Take that away, and you wont have the gangs.....

I am not trying to take away anything from the valid points about violence and poverty in states like Chicago and Detroit but to say "they are like Iraq and Afghanistan" is waaaaaay far off from the point.

To say that diminishes what the people in those regions have been and are still going through for all these years. 250 is a large number but there have been hundreds of thousands of deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan, daily plane bombings, "private security" shooting whoever they like, night raids on villages, daily car and IED bombings, etc

Chicago is bad but it ain't Falujah, Kabul or the Gaza Strip....

reply to post by michaelbrux


That's very true, Miami may well be the biggest example of that. Heck, 90% of the Miami highrises were built with coke money. Most of the banks laundered coc aine money from Miami. Florida wouldn't be anything without all that coke money.

Officials talk tough and yet willingly take money from the criminals they proclaim to be against. Greed is a powerful motivator and frankly, short of some huge shift in human conscious, I think this kind of corruption with remain with us forever.

Parts of Chicago now akin to Iraq-Afghanistan tribal/civil war

Been reading comments from returning troops saying the same thing about New Orleans, going back to at least, 2004...

reply to post by antonia


shift in consciousness is the only thing; it seems.

so, I think its safe to accept that unless everyone changes, no one changes and will continue to do as they please and focus on serving their own interests first and foremost without regard to anyone else. furthermore, i assume that everyone will be happy with the world in this condition and they have no one to point a finger at but themselves.

but let it be known that 250 murders at mid July is nowhere near the pace of gang driven murder in 1974, which ended at 970. being that the city proper is about the same size today as then, violent crime has collapsed in chicago during my lifetime. but people are free to sensationalize.

the real reason for a thread like this being authored is so that under no circumstances should Americans feel that their lives are improving; even though it is. but the tone of the OP is consistent with many things i've read here and in mainstream media.

reply to post by LadySkadi


I grew up in the Hood. There is a saying that many, who live there say. "Every city has a hood." Its true. I lived on the south side, commonly known as "little Beirut". All the people I know, from there, is either dead, or in Jail.

reply to post by michaelbrux


Im up the road from you, Mike. In Milwaukee..

Small World.....

Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by michaelbrux

 

That's very true, Miami may well be the biggest example of that. Heck, 90% of the Miami highrises were built with coke money. Most of the banks laundered coc aine money from Miami. Florida wouldn't be anything without all that coke money.

Officials talk tough and yet willingly take money from the criminals they proclaim to be against. Greed is a powerful motivator and frankly, short of some huge shift in human conscious, I think this kind of corruption with remain with us forever.

I agree 100%, this exactly how it work in my city of Vancouver, BC....

reply to post by sonnny1

We don't have that here, sure there are parts of the city that I wouldn't probably go into at night alone and there are gang-related shootings now and again, but anyone who would say that it compares to the likes of what is described here, is delusional. 2011 there were 24 gang-related murders, though they are saying that 2012 is already 35% higher. So, it's not a reality that those in this area can really understand. That's just one of the many problems contributing to the issues in these cities. Those who are not there, cannot possibly "truly" understand what's going on, no back-up against those who would take...

Originally posted by michaelbrux
reply to post by antonia

 

but let it be known that 250 murders at mid July is nowhere near the pace of gang driven murder in 1974, which ended at 970. being that the city proper is about the same size today as then, violent crime has collapsed in chicago during my lifetime. but people are free to sensationalize.

I do have to agree with you about that. The violence isn't approaching some of the levels seen in L.A. or Miami in the last 20 years. "Gang Violence" makes for great ratings on the nightly news though, but 250 is still too much for me.

reply to post by sonnny1


small world, yes....green bay road comes right through here and the town is split in half between Bears fans and Packers fans.

reply to post by LadySkadi


You're right. As long as its a news blip, on the nightly news, People are not going to hear about it,or complain about it, do nothing about it. My city, doesn't add certain crimes, to its statistics. 5300 aggravated assaults,were considered "minor offenses".......

reply to post by antonia


i guess zero would be cool, but i've always went about the city freely, where ever i had a reason to be.

and from my experience, its not mostly random violence. i don't know how little girls are being caught in crossfire.

but about those little girls being out in the midst of all that stuff, sometimes I think someone purposely sacrificed their own child to serve an ill advised purpose. something like a blood sacrifice.

has anyone else had that feeling?

Originally posted by michaelbrux
reply to post by sonnny1

 

small world, yes....green bay road comes right through here and the town is split in half between Bears fans and Packers fans.

Organized Gangs,wearing their colors, on any given Sunday, huh?

reply to post by sonnny1


i avoid those packers fans; especially when i spot one wearing their team jersey...i know that much.

but if they force a confrontation, I remind them that the bears training facility is just on the other side of town.

reply to post by jjkenobi


why do you blame the government.

where is personal responsibility.

if someone shoots someone else, what does barack obama have to do with it.

blame the person who fired the gun.

if someone robs a 7-11, he's responsible for that act, george bush is cattle ranching, its not his fault.

if you're going to blame politicians, blame yourself too, at the end of the day, you do have a choice if you're going to commit a crime or not.

I suppose these neighborhoods have been hit with an atomic bomb.

i'm watching the local evening news and the bulldozers are on the ground on the south side knocking down buildings.