I think, therefore I AM

reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff


Motor awareness is not in charge of knowing when we are hungry or in pain. That requires the ability to recognize sensation, which motor skills do not do. Take a psychology class.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by Deetermined

 

Tell me this, how do you describe consciousness? What makes it work? It can't be known because it is not something we can measure, it is not physical. Guess what is else is not measurable and cannot be fully understood? God. They are both the same thing in my opinion.

I believe that human consciousness and spiritual consciousness are two separate things, however, I also believe our human consciousness was given to us by God to ask questions and to pursue spiritual consciousness, but one is more limited than the other and not everyone is going to pursue spiritual consciousness.

Our brain is what makes the universe around us, everything we can see, touch, smell, taste, and hear is made within our brains, so in a sense we are the creators of the things around us, so why is it so farfetched to believe that we are gods?

No, our brain only allows us to observe the universe around us, it doesn't allow our brain to create it.

Surely you know there's more to life and the universe than can be observed by our senses and our brain, your consciousness should be telling you that.

reply to post by Deetermined

I believe that human consciousness and spiritual consciousness are two separate things,

The only reason we even have a human consciousness, so to speak, is that our souls are stuck in human vessels. External stimuli, and our programmed dependence on such (ahem, corporations and media and government) have resulted in our spiritual consciousness being completely smothered.

but one is more limited than the other and not everyone is going to pursue spiritual consciousness.

My point exactly.

No, our brain only allows us to observe the universe around us, it doesn't allow our brain to create it.

Our brain is a physical expression of what it contains. Unfortunately, when you make a wooden carving of a dove, even if you paint it so realistically it looks alive, it still won't fly. Thus it is with our mind.

Some have managed telekinesis, telepathy, astral projection, pyrokinesis, and tactile recall. These are people who have touched upon the beginnings of our potential as godlings. They have surpassed the limitations of the fleshly mind, but they have not escaped the bonds entirely. Someday, I hope, we will prove ourselves worthy to escape completely.

But if such a day doesn't arrive, then I pray that we never learn to unleash our gifts. In the wrong hands, such powers can be brutal. And in our current condition, I fear that should such potential be unlocked and poured upon the earth, our species will embody the legendary Satan as a whole...because Satan is the darker half of us. We are God, and we are Satan. Who we become depends on what we choose.

i think therefore i am

the buddhist view-----i think, therefore i am...not very much
(tich nat hahn)

reply to post by jikwan


Care to explain that a bit more clearly?

reply to post by AfterInfinity


Hey! I actually agree with you on most of this!

The only difference being that I don't believe that we're capable of becoming God or Satan, but that we will get to choose which one rules over us in the end. That's the whole reason we were given free will in the first place.

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Satan tempts us, and God will save us. In nearly all situations, exactly what are we tempted by? OUR desire. And what saves us? OUR resistance. Not a single entity steps in besides another earthly being, or ourselves.

Satan and God both come from within. That's why their existence can never be proven...because they are both of the same realm as our mind and soul.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by jikwan

 

Care to explain that a bit more clearly?

i think, therefore i am...not very much

came across that statement in one of his talks. i cant find the commentary
on it at the moment

these are his words on the subject i got from various sources......

And sometimes we think too much, and the thinking is not helpful, the thinking is sometimes harmful. It does not seem to be true that "I think, therefore I am," because thinking brings me out of myself, it does not help me to be in the here and the now, so the quality of being is lost. I think, therefore I am not. Sometimes our heads are like a television set that is left on for a long time and becomes very hot: so much thinking, so many worries, make our heads hot. Sometimes we cannot sleep because we cannot stop the thinking. With a cassette tape, it’s easy, because there is a button you can push to stop it. But there is no button here.

If you are alive and fully present, if you are really there, someone or something else will be there also at the same time. That is life, because when you make yourself available to life, life will make herself available to you. This is clear. Suppose you are standing there, and enjoying the beautiful sunset. In order to really enjoy the beautiful sunset, you have to be there one hundred percent, body and mind united. If you stand there with other people, and yet you allow your mind to be caught by your worries, the past and the future, then the beautiful sunset will not be for you. That is why the basic condition is that you be there fully, and if you are there fully, then the beautiful sunset will be yours.

I had to respond to this thread. I, just yesterday, started reading "Conversations with God" book 1 by Neale Donald Walsch.

I can not explain how much this book is helping me find answers to my questions about life. I grew up in a non denominational Church of Christ, and learned early on that God is a punisher and that if I don't do EXACTLY what the bible says, I am going to spend my eternal life in hell being punished for my sins.

That theory always felt wrong to me. Up to today, I could never put my feelings into words to explain why I felt it was wrong and what, I feel, the truth is.

Today I realized that, if God is everything, the alpha and omega, and he created all, then man is a part of God. We are God. We are all millions of parts of the Whole. Why would God punish a part of himself? What would be the point of punishing himself, and for an eternity?

The book theorizes that man is God's creation which allows him to know himself. I guess you could almost say that God is living vicariously through us. Since he is everything, he had to create the nothing to be able to experience everything. Good/Evil, love/hate, etc.

I am only up to chapter 2 and I already feel like I am connecting with the truth of God.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff

 

Motor awareness is not in charge of knowing when we are hungry or in pain. That requires the ability to recognize sensation, which motor skills do not do. Take a psychology class.

What is required and is present in infancy is the ability to feel hungry, not metaphysically identify that that is the sensation being felt. Feeling comes with consciousness; "I Am" comes from "self-awareness."

What are you even arguing for

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I feel so subverted right now

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I've heard of it. And I've heard people talk about the humor of "God"...in those pages, I saw what they meant. "God" (I hesitate to call it "God" in the sense the Christians view it, or even in the sense the author referred to it) even went so far as to say in paraphrase, "You people think I give a **** what you do. I don't."

It was hilarious, reading that line. It defined my theories regarding 'God" at that point. The system designed by Source is autonomous, self-running, self-balancing, self-cleansing...there's no need for Source to step in at any point. A representative or more advanced being might do so, but they too are bound by the laws built into the autonomous system that is the entirety of the universe, including every level of reality in existence.

That's how I view it. Everything has a reason, because the system has a use for everything. That's its nature. If there is no use, it will eventually dissolve into the ether to make room.

Originally posted by HeFrippedMeOff
reply to post by TheSubversiveOne

 

I feel so subverted right now

Oh no! He fripped me off!

Originally posted by TheSubversiveOne

Originally posted by HeFrippedMeOff
reply to post by TheSubversiveOne

 

I feel so subverted right now

Oh no! He fripped me off!

Hahaha is that how some see me? I suppose my lack of tact would illicit such a response. My apologies.

If we are going to deny ignorance then it is necessary we consider Jesus and the faith of the martyrs. Don't harden your heart brother. I will hope to the ends of grace for you too.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity

Satan and God both come from within. That's why their existence can never be proven...because they are both of the same realm as our mind and soul.

Their existence can't be proven because they do live in a different realm, but it's not our mind and soul.

God and Satan have their own realms and they aren't the only ones living in them.

There are others.

reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff


But self-awareness manifests from consciousness. If you never became conscious you would never have had the chance to be self-aware. But you are right about 'I am' stemming from self-awareness, but self-awareness stems from consciousness, which means 'I am' also stems from consciousness.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
This is gonna be a short post, and I apologize for that,

Why apologize? I don't do long-winded posts. I actually get embarrassed if I write more than 3 short paragraphs.

Playing along with the premise that there is a god, what else could he be if not pure consciousness? If he were made of material (a body) he would need to provide
sustenance for himself to stay alive.

reply to post by Deetermined


God is this realm, it is the universe. Humans , or any other sentient species, are the devil because we destroy our planet, something that was so perfect before we started to destroy it. Remember, heaven is the kingdom OF god, which means they are not seperate.

We are in heaven now, but we (Satan) destroy all that is good.

When I say 'we',I am generalizing. Most humans are not evil, but the most powerful ones are, including the leaders of religion.

Wasn't Lucifer god's greatest angel at one point? Why was he thrown from heaven? Because he desired power and control. Sounds a lot like the most powerful people on Earth right now doesn't it? The destruction of our planet is a direct result from humans wanting power and control over others. We are the rulers of the hell we have made on Earth.

Yet we are still the universes' creation, just as Satan was gods creation.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1


Sorry, but if God was living in this realm, that would make God corrupt too. For perfection and evil cannot co-exist together. This is why Satan was kicked out of heaven. One will always end up trumping the other.

The only way to perfect man and the universe is by divine intervention.

Keep watching. You'll soon come to realize that man isn't capable of digging himself out of the current hole that we've dug ourselves into and the only way to bring it back to perfection is to wipe it entirely clean and start over.

1 Corinthians 15:50

50) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

1 Corinthians 15:53

53) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

So, the truth is, you do not reach incorruption until you've reached immortality and move to a different realm.

1 Peter 1:4

4) To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

So, heaven is not earth as earth as been corrupted. Heaven has always been incorruptible and undefiled and will never fade or pass away, but this earth and universe will.

reply to post by Deetermined


Just to expand a little bit further, the current heaven will pass away too. For in the future, God will combine his kingdom with ours to create a new one, a combined heaven/earth that will be called the "New Jerusalem".

Here's what will happen to the current heavens and earth...

2 Peter 3:10

10) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

As I pointed out in a different thread, for those who want to believe that the current universe came into existence with a "big bang", you'll be interested to know that it will end with a "great noise" and the corrupted earth will be burned up because that which has been corrupted can not become incorruptible.