You want proof of flying saucers? This is it!

Originally posted by cripmeister

Originally posted by Orkojoker

Originally posted by cripmeister

Light is not affected by magnetism because photons don't have a charge. So I guess it would have to be gravity but then all sorts of things like trees etc would have been ripped out. The light bending story is fantasy in my opinion.

I'm right with you on this one. Anything I can't figure out is fantasy.

Did you steal that one from Stanton Friedman?

No. Does sound like him though now that I look at it. Just a bit of spur-of-the-moment smartassery. Feel free to disregard.

Originally posted by VoidHawk
While I dont discount that they could have been alien, I have said throughout this thread and in the OP that I think they were most likely man made. I was not suggesting it was proof of aliens, I was saying its proof of flying saucers. Too many witnesses, government iterference, newspaper reports etc etc. It happened! but like I said in the OP, its a question of who owned them. Theres been some good theories in this thread, I believe a few people have nailed it.

You seem like an intelligent, decent and level-headed person and IMO have demonstrated that throughout this thread, so perhaps you can concede that the title of this thread is possibly a bit misleading? We all know there are unidentified [man-made] flying objects around. There is no debate there. The debate is whether they are ET, and you title suggests "here they are!" You know what I mean. I truly mean no disrespect, it's just that the wording easily leads one to think you are indeed about to show proof of alien UFOs.

Well the majority all ready know flying saucers exist. but what we really want to know if its Aliens

I got halfway through the video, then it stopped playing. I will try it later, but for now, couple of things.
One man said children were running away from it like zebras from a crocodile while the dark haired lady, terry I think, says the kids ran after it, chasing it. Then there's the man who says it lifted off about so high and so high is very low to the ground yet he draws sketches of its detailed underbelly, unless of course he saw the underside once it was higher, but no it flies off sideways.

Have any of you believers ever considered the real conspiracy is the govt wants you to believe in UFOs, and the best way to accomplish that would be to act is if they go around denying them? You can fill in the blanks at to the motive.

If you ask me it is the very fact they keep denying them is what makes you all think there is something to hide. Works every time.

Do you honestly think if they wanted these stories buried, they couldn't do a better job of it ? Come on

There's nothing to hide because there's nothing to see.

reply to post by violet


i do believe that UFO in the video is Government property....i mean just look at it.....it looks ugly i mean...it has a pathetic desing compared to the super aircrafts we see on hollywood movies today. its just common sense even the sputnik looked better. Even our modern rockets and jets have an amazing desing that just looks unreal.

If aliens were really that advance they would surely have something better looking than that 1960's flying toaster hovering above a school if you know what i mean

Originally posted by cripmeister

Originally posted by VoidHawk

No i think he/they were saying that the light beam got bent. I see your point about the magnetism pulling the car about. That my explain the fatal crash two days earlier. Ron sullivan managed to stop his car so may have avoided something that the other car didn't.

Light is not affected by magnetism because photons don't have a charge. So I guess it would have to be gravity but then all sorts of things like trees etc would have been ripped out. The light bending story is fantasy in my opinion.

This is actually a funny notion you have there.

You know that an old-fashioned tube TV works by bending (and directing) the electron beams across the screen via magnetism. (I write this NOT to show that it's possible to bend LIGHT via magnetism - rather to show that it is possible to bend waves/particles without affecting other things. From that point of view it COULD be thinkable that some antigrav mechanism bended the beams, doesn't mean that all trees would have been ripped out as well). Of course it doesn't prove that story....just saying it makes (somehow) sense. Also note that back in 1966, and then somewhere in Australia, hardly people knew a lot of UFOs and speculative theories like anti gravity etc..things you can read today if you want..but back in 1966..i dont think the average person would have made a connection between UFOs and anti-grav technology.

Originally posted by RoyBatty
You seem like an intelligent, decent and level-headed person and IMO have demonstrated that throughout this thread, so perhaps you can concede that the title of this thread is possibly a bit misleading? We all know there are unidentified [man-made] flying objects around. There is no debate there. The debate is whether they are ET, and you title suggests "here they are!" You know what I mean. I truly mean no disrespect, it's just that the wording easily leads one to think you are indeed about to show proof of alien UFOs.

I don't believe that's it at all.... he said flying saucers in the title not et's or aliens.

The more important debate revolves around the revelation that if flying saucers do exist then somebody has free energy. Flying saucer = anti-gravity = free energy.

Sure it would be outstanding to know for certain that ETs were the pilots but really who cares. We need some help here on this planet and if its' the government flying these things around they need to share immediately and stop doing this stupid oil and nuclear dance.

Originally posted by something wicked

Originally posted by dawnprince
reply to post by Xaphan

 

If you told me that you went for a walk in the park yesterday and I said to you " I don't believe you , where is your proof " ?
We both know that you would not be able to offer any solid evidence of your walk . You know from your memory that you did indeed go for your walk , but there would be nothing you could offer as proof to convince me of the same

That though is a classic strawman argument. If the park exists, if the person can indeed walk and there is no evidence to say the person did not visit the part then your lack of belief is neither here nor there. If the person said they went for a walk in the park yesterday and Elvis Presley tried to steal their shoes then your lack of belief has justification as an element is added that is beyond an everyday situation.

edit on 11-7-2012 by something wicked because: grammer

To add to this argument, certainly other planets exist and certainly a similar amalgamation of all the known elements exist on these other planets. It's not a far stretch to assume life may exist on other planets as well. If life exists on at least one planet other than Earth that we can find proof of, then most certainly at least one planet other than Earth developed similar life that we see everyday here on Earth. Considering the age of the known universe is over 13.5 billion years old and that Earth is only 4.5 billion or so years old; we can conclude that there are certainly older planets with more advanced species, using your logic of course.

OR

The sighting was simply a military exercise gone awry. However, we have zero evidence of either possibility other than the testimony of a large group of people.

Originally posted by BacknTime
reply to post by violet

 

i do believe that UFO in the video is Government property....i mean just look at it.....it looks ugly i mean...it has a pathetic desing compared to the super aircrafts we see on hollywood movies today. its just common sense even the sputnik looked better. Even our modern rockets and jets have an amazing desing that just looks unreal.

If aliens were really that advance they would surely have something better looking than that 1960's flying toaster hovering above a school if you know what i mean

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Good point.

The UFO depicted in this video is of very poor design compared to 30 plus years later as described in sightings from the 90s to present time.

Imagine how fabulous they will be in say 20 years time.

The alien races will be so much more advanced in another 20 years. That will be the thousands of years advanced civilization plus the added 20.

Fact is the UFOs are only ever described as how people of that particular era imagines them to be when faking their stories.

That is just one more reason to debunk these tales as bunk. Not sure why it's called de - bunking.

Originally posted by flexy123

(I write this NOT to show that it's possible to bend LIGHT via magnetism - rather to show that it is possible to bend waves/particles without affecting other things. From that point of view it COULD be thinkable that some antigrav mechanism bended the beams, doesn't mean that all trees would have been ripped out as well). Of course it doesn't prove that story....just saying it makes (somehow) sense.

Since gravity can trap photons (like in black holes) then anti-gravity would in fact repell photons directing them away from whatever device sending it out. If photons were affected then this mans vision would have been affected too and everything would have looked stretched out and weird too him but there's no mention of that, just the headlights.

FOR THE PEOPLE ARGUING ABOUT A "MISLEADING THREAD TITLE":

1. He never said it was Aliens, ET's or anything in the OP.
2. Any connection the reader made between the OP ET's and flying saucers is purely their own doing - albeit it an easy mistake to make as the average person usually relates flying saucers to ET's, the OP did no such thing.
3. While it may not be concrete hard, undeniable evidence, it has a huge amount of witnesses and documented evidence. The hardened skeptic will never accept witnesses or testomonials as a form of evidence as they have given up on humanity and have lost their ability to trust their fellow man. There is a difference between one or two people saying something happened, and a whole school witnessing and reporting such an event.

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All of you arguing about the science behind the "light bending headlights", quit pretending like our mainstream human understanding of physics is the end all be all of science. IF (and that's a big IF) it was an alien race millions of years advanced of our time, who are we to say what is possible based on our limited knowledge of physics? Saying the guy lied or made it up because we don't understand it is, in fact, ignorant.

Hard to argue against it happening! Something happened.

If they were our craft then why spend all the time testing the ground etc? You would move quickly to destroy the evidence and get outa there. They could land somewhere remote and test all they wanted.

1. Craft landed.
2. Probably not ours.
3. Cool!
4. Tanya probably died from radiation exposure - not cool.

Originally posted by Wooster
reply to post by cripmeister

 

All of you arguing about the science behind the "light bending headlights", quit pretending like our mainstream human understanding of physics is the end all be all of science. IF (and that's a big IF) it was an alien race millions of years advanced of our time, who are we to say what is possible based on our limited knowledge of physics? Saying the guy lied or made it up because we don't understand it is, in fact, ignorant.

This is how I imagine the UFO communitys response to an actual scientific study of the phenomenon. If our scientific understanding is not enough then quit asking for serious study on the subject, you'll never accept the outcome anyhow.

Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by VoidHawk

 

Some of the cgi stuff looks so proffesional you cant help but wonder who's behind it al.

Giggling, computer literate morons.

Surely "Industrious computer literate creatives exploiting our fragile grip on reality"?

Originally posted by cripmeister

Originally posted by Wooster
reply to post by cripmeister

 

All of you arguing about the science behind the "light bending headlights", quit pretending like our mainstream human understanding of physics is the end all be all of science. IF (and that's a big IF) it was an alien race millions of years advanced of our time, who are we to say what is possible based on our limited knowledge of physics? Saying the guy lied or made it up because we don't understand it is, in fact, ignorant.

This is how I imagine the UFO communitys response to an actual scientific study of the phenomenon. If our scientific understanding is not enough then quit asking for serious study on the subject, you'll never accept the outcome anyhow.

Scientific study leads to scientific discovery. We can learn by doing an actual study on physical evidence. A story that someone told about how his headlight beams were bent is not physical evidence, and until we can go back in time and be there at that exact moment, no real scientific study can be done. Saying it didn't happen because our current knowledge doesn't allow it to happen is the definition of ignorance!

ig·no·rance/ˈignərəns/
Noun:
Lack of knowledge or information: "he acted in ignorance of basic procedures".

We LACK the knowledge. It doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, it just means that we lack the understanding to comprehend it.

We need to talk about Tanya. She is the key.

I don't understand the debate really. Obviously they all saw something, very beliveable. I guess my mother having seen a UFO in the early 70s and a friends whole family seeing a UFO (cigar shaped and black triangle) makes it very easy for me to believe it. Not to mention so many saw it at the school.

But yeah, Tanya...really, would be good to hear what she'd have to say about it.

I dont mean to sound rude, and i believe in flying saucers and ET craft, but that stuff in the OP isnt any different than the oodles of personal UFO incidents down the line.