You want proof of flying saucers? This is it!

Originally posted by jamdan

Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by VoidHawk

 

Some of the cgi stuff looks so proffesional you cant help but wonder who's behind it al.

Giggling, computer literate morons.

Surely "Industrious computer literate creatives exploiting our fragile grip on reality"?

Yah, before there ever was the Internet? These same cretins would ring door bells and run... or call you in the middle of the night and breathe heavy. Giggity... Or TP (toilet paper) your house. Crack eggs on hood of your car.

Nowadays we have compooters. They still out there, ringing your door bell.

Originally posted by cripmeister

Originally posted by flexy123

(I write this NOT to show that it's possible to bend LIGHT via magnetism - rather to show that it is possible to bend waves/particles without affecting other things. From that point of view it COULD be thinkable that some antigrav mechanism bended the beams, doesn't mean that all trees would have been ripped out as well). Of course it doesn't prove that story....just saying it makes (somehow) sense.

Since gravity can trap photons (like in black holes) then anti-gravity would in fact repell photons directing them away from whatever device sending it out. If photons were affected then this mans vision would have been affected too and everything would have looked stretched out and weird too him but there's no mention of that, just the headlights.

Maybe it did. Maybe everything did look stretched out and weird for a moment, but all he noticed was the headlights (and the weirdest damn object he ever saw). I give him credit for remembering anything. They usually blank the memory. But not this time? Thats even weirder. Thats his "proof" of encounter with "unknown". And of course he "noticed it" Wouldn't you?

Originally posted by Vrill
I dont mean to sound rude, and i believe in flying saucers and ET craft, but that stuff in the OP isnt any different than the oodles of personal UFO incidents down the line.

20 odd testimonials of the same event from average Aussie folk is proof enough for me. If you watched that video and still don't believe UFO's were seen, you either have an agenda or a few screws loose.

It may not be too different to the others, but it's better than most. IMO it holds water because it has many corroborating witnesses (on record), a paper trail and very good evidence of a cover up. It's certainly up there, and the story deserves to be respected for what it is.

BTW it's easy to go around shooting stuff down, it requires no creative input, thought or effort on your part.

This documentary constitutes very good evidence and perhaps..... dare I say it.... maybe even a little proof!

It aint much but
Proof en.wikipedia.org...
Evidence en.wikipedia.org...
does not enough evidence constitute proof?
how much is enough evidence?
If I went for a walk in the park and Elvis did try to steal my shoes and I there were 50 other whiteness's, would that just be evidence, or would that be proof?
(just adding more fuel to the fire)

Originally posted by VoidHawk

Originally posted by PhoenixOD
While i think most people here appreciate the effort you went to it doesn't make up for the fact you claimed to have 'the' proof but provided none at all.

In a court of law witnesses can be proof, how many do we need before we accept it as proof?

But that's the sweet thing about Ufology,

When we have something that would stand up as proof in a Court of Law, we simply raise the credibility factor one notch according to the principle 'extraordinary claims needs (even more) extarordinary evidence, making the proof 'not proof enough in this case'.

That way, a lot of people who feel bad about having a paradigm change can go on ignoring that their paradigm does not hold up anymore.

Originally posted by violet
Have any of you believers ever considered the real conspiracy is the govt wants you to believe in UFOs, and the best way to accomplish that would be to act is if they go around denying them? You can fill in the blanks at to the motive.

If you ask me it is the very fact they keep denying them is what makes you all think there is something to hide. Works every time.

Do you honestly think if they wanted these stories buried, they couldn't do a better job of it ? Come on

There's nothing to hide because there's nothing to see.

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This is just your personal opinion . You have absolutely no evidence to back up your opinion .

There is a very wise saying that you really need to think about before you type any more drivel .
"Lack of proof of something existing is not proof that it doesn't exist" !!!!

Originally posted by violet
One man said children were running away from it like zebras from a crocodile while the dark haired lady, terry I think, says the kids ran after it, chasing it.

Yep. That shows that at least half of the children lied when they said they ran away from 'it', or towards 'it', right?

I completely rule out the possibility that some kids reacted with fear while others reacted with curiosity, kids are not that unpredictable.

In any case throwing doubts about one witness testimony automatically discredits all the witness testimonies. According to debunker reasoning all you need to do is to throw doubt about something, which discredits it enough to ignore it.

Originally posted by violetThen there's the man who says it lifted off about so high and so high is very low to the ground yet he draws sketches of its detailed underbelly, unless of course he saw the underside once it was higher, but no it flies off sideways.

So what you're saying is that he was standing on the wrong side of the (vertically flipped) object in order to see the 'underbelly'? Another nail in the coffin of confusions and lies!

Originally posted by violet
Have any of you believers ever considered the real conspiracy is the govt wants you to believe in UFOs, and the best way to accomplish that would be to act is if they go around denying them? You can fill in the blanks at to the motive.

So what you're saying is that the government(s) want(s) us to believe in UFOs by telling us that there are no UFOs, so that they can cover up the fact that there are no UFOs?

Originally posted by violetIf you ask me it is the very fact they keep denying them is what makes you all think there is something to hide. Works every time.

Um yes, that seems to be what you're saying. Well, you came to the right place to denounce this diabolic conspiracy.

reply to post by Asktheanimals


Very interesting. This could be proof that there is an indeed an anomaly such as ufos. The next step is to find out if there are man made, or extraterrestrial or both.

There is no proof here at all. Sure you have witnesses, but that's all you have. Not trying to rain on everyone's parade, but this is not 100% proof of Flying Saucers. And the picture is not clear and literally looks like a dinner bell flying through the air. Again, you can't just have witnesses testifying, you need more.

Lets go through this again.

Aliens come here thousands of years ago. They studied the World entirely, (Humans, animals and plants.) Now, why would they come back? Most of you say to study our DNA.

Human DNA has not changed in thousands of years. You would have to be completely narrow minded to believe in an ET randomly abducting people to see if their DNA has changed at all. Maybe there doing it for fun.

Not to mention UFO's wouldn't have lights on them if they didn't want to be seen. Not only that they would obliviously have cloaking technology (which we are developing today). Aliens flying around making their UFO's light up like Christmas trees, telling the whole world they're there, and then abducting people to see if there DNA has changed which it hasn't in thousands of years.

I think this ET/Alien phenomenon is getting out of hand. It's just another distraction. Football, Kardashians, all to distract you from the real people that are abducting your minds. Rothschild, Rockefeller, and members of dirty secret society's are the real aliens that are abducting your minds. There has been no proof other then Witness testimony's and doctored photos of UFO's, and there never will be real evidence.

Sure of course there's life other then on Earth, but this is all horse #. Get real guys. /end rant

Originally posted by Kang69
There is no proof here at all.

There is proof that ...

* in the 60s, in Australia, a major UFO sighting took place with as many as 200, reliable eye witnesses which have no reason to lie.
* eye witnesses not only include kids, but grown ups as well
* there is proof that the event made even headlines and was featured in the local news at the time
* there is MASSIVE proof for a thorough effort to erase anything about this case from the archives, news media etc.
* there is proof that the military (likely US) was involved
* there is proof that the military "knew about what was going on" because they were there so quickly
* there is proof that whoever silenced the witnesses at that time as well

* you have two, likely connected events and witness reports in the same area in the very same days, reporting strange things as well

What i find funny is that you REJECT this story with its overwhelming evidence, but continue in the same posting with an even more, highly speculative theory about the Kardashians and whatever. Why not stay with the common denominator here and AT LEAST admit that there is an extreme likelihood those people saw "an UFO"... (whatever it really was)...so we can at least agree here that the people saw a craft..and then go from there? (Everything else is too speculative)

Originally posted by Lil Drummerboy
wow,
pictures of people talking about there events
yeah that was it for me

Hmm, you must have missed all the newspaper reports. Maybe you should look it over again before jumping straight to jerk mode.

Look, something happened at that school, the question is what..

2 possibilities, military or UFO visitors.

Military: Possible but far too open, they don't do in plain sight, normally very covert.

Why involve civilians?

Why show tech that advanced, a test to see how people would respond, well that's a bit daft as people would have reacted as seen, fear.

Could it be the same tech used on the big triangles that myself and many others have seen..Possible.

I just don't see what's in it for the military.

Btw, the I ignored the Prank option, far too intricate and advanced for a simple prank.....

Other option, UFO Visitors: A possibility because of the witnesses, the strange affair with the newspapers, the sudden visit by the military and the instant crackdown on talking about it. Some might say those reasons also fit a military cover up of one of their techs but why bother go so intricate for a test flight, why even bother to fly in non military flight space when you have gigantic controlled air space bases to use, there's no need to have been seen.

What would have helped is the missing girl, proof of where she is, or isn't, the pictures taken by the teacher would have been good, the one seen from previous days just looks wrong to me...

The fact that people are saying no proof is unless they are referring to the poor naming of the thread has nothing to do with anything. There IS PROOF that something did happen at the school, the corroboration between far too many people proves something was seen there that was strange enough to have been far out of the ordinary.

Its not like a weird looking helicopter came down, this was far more bizarre..

Like it or not sceptics, there are valid questions here, there's something more to this than marsh gas and pranksters.

Originally posted by flexy123

Originally posted by Kang69
There is no proof here at all.

There is proof that ...

* in the 60s, in Australia, a major UFO sighting took place with as many as 200, reliable eye witnesses which have no reason to lie.
* eye witnesses not only include kids, but grown ups as well
* there is proof that the event made even headlines and was featured in the local news at the time
* there is MASSIVE proof for a thorough effort to erase anything about this case from the archives, news media etc.
* there is proof that the military (likely US) was involved
* there is proof that the military "knew about what was going on" because they were there so quickly
* there is proof that whoever silenced the witnesses at that time as well

* you have two, likely connected events and witness reports in the same area in the very same days, reporting strange things as well

What i find funny is that you REJECT this story with its overwhelming evidence, but continue in the same posting with an even more, highly speculative theory about the Kardashians and whatever. Why not stay with the common denominator here and AT LEAST admit that there is an extreme likelihood those people saw "an UFO"... (whatever it really was)...so we can at least agree here that the people saw a craft..and then go from there? (Everything else is too speculative)

He appears to be a disinfo guy.

I'm surprised they are still at it here in 2012.

There were too many witnesses on this one. It looks like a Roswell Incident without

the debris. I find it interesting the Grays chose Australia.

Originally posted by Kang69
There is no proof here at all. Sure you have witnesses, but that's all you have. Not trying to rain on everyone's parade, but this is not 100% proof of Flying Saucers. And the picture is not clear and literally looks like a dinner bell flying through the air. Again, you can't just have witnesses testifying, you need more.

Lets go through this again.

Aliens come here thousands of years ago. They studied the World entirely, (Humans, animals and plants.) Now, why would they come back? Most of you say to study our DNA.

Human DNA has not changed in thousands of years. You would have to be completely narrow minded to believe in an ET randomly abducting people to see if their DNA has changed at all. Maybe there doing it for fun.

Not to mention UFO's wouldn't have lights on them if they didn't want to be seen. Not only that they would obliviously have cloaking technology (which we are developing today). Aliens flying around making their UFO's light up like Christmas trees, telling the whole world they're there, and then abducting people to see if there DNA has changed which it hasn't in thousands of years.

I think this ET/Alien phenomenon is getting out of hand. It's just another distraction. Football, Kardashians, all to distract you from the real people that are abducting your minds. Rothschild, Rockefeller, and members of dirty secret society's are the real aliens that are abducting your minds. There has been no proof other then Witness testimony's and doctored photos of UFO's, and there never will be real evidence.

Sure of course there's life other then on Earth, but this is all horse #. Get real guys. /end rant

I find your entire post to be a - distraction -.

BTW, the Grays turned the cloaking system off.

- It was an air show. -
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I found it interesting the children went running to the spacecraft like it was Christmas Day.

Look at the 2 saucers we got!
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They wanted it to be a - local- event. - 2 small spacecraft -

It wasn't a 4,000 foot long Cigar Starship. Hmmm....

They thought this one through.

Originally posted by Vrill
I dont mean to sound rude, and i believe in flying saucers and ET craft, but that stuff in the OP isnt any different than the oodles of personal UFO incidents down the line.

Actually it's a pretty good one. Two witnesses are better than one, in general. Ten are better than two, and two hundred are better than ten. Of course the evidence in this case - as in any other individual case - proves very little, but the number of witnesses, the reported proximity of the object and the duration of the sighting all go together to make this an incident of above average compellingness, in my opinion.

Originally posted by TruthMaster2You
Thanks for letting us know.

A big ZERO to me.

Have a nice day everyone.

This looks like - another disinfo guy -...............he registered at ATS 4 days ago?!

This post is very revealing and informative with many witnesses.

It's clear this is not a big ZERO.

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This indicates this story is true.

Look at the effort to suppress/dismiss this story that occurred 46 years ago.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by TruthMaster2You
Thanks for letting us know.

A big ZERO to me.

Have a nice day everyone.

This looks like - another disinfo guy -

...............he registered at ATS 4 days ago?!

This post is very revealing and informative with many witnesses.

It's clear this is not a big ZERO.

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This indicates this story is true.

Look at the effort to suppress/dismiss this story that occurred 46 years ago.

No worse than your effort to belittle people and label them as "disinfo agents". You should check the superiority complex at the door, sir. It does no good to further your cause.

Again, this is no proof, but has a hell of a lot more credibility than most stories. I certainly cant claim to know exactly what these things were, but then again, neither can you.

reply to post by flyswatter


Don't you find it a little odd that he showed up 4 days ago to trash the thread?

I have found them before here on ATS.

I know what to look for.

One guy worked at the FBI.

He worked together with a guy in Great Britain. They usually come flying out to ATS

when a huge and impressive crop circle appears near Stonehenge.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by flyswatter

 

Don't you find it a little odd that he showed up 4 days ago to trash the thread?

I have found them before here on ATS.

I know what to look for.

One guy worked at the FBI.

He worked together with a guy in Great Britain. They usually come flying out to ATS

when a huge and impressive crop circle appears near Stonehenge.

And I am a government contractor, so what. One's employer is irrelevant. Judge the person based on their actions and based on facts, not on assumptions or suppositions.

reply to post by flyswatter


No, the FBI guy admitted it to me with a U2U message.

He was just doing his job.

I reasoned with him that less than 1% of the population even knows what a crop circle

is. So why bother? I advised him to go find a terrorist and stop with thread derailing.

He left. His position was compromised.