You want proof of flying saucers? This is it!

I just find that many of the saucer reports start after WWII, which makes me want to believe that they were military aircraft. Different countries experimented with disc-shaped craft in the 50's I believe. Was there any documentation of Nazi scientists defecting or surrendering to Australia at the end of the war? We know some went to the US, like Von Braun, but people with big ideas like V. Schauberger weren't really heard from after a while. I personally think the Kecksburg incident was a piece of a USSR spacecraft, as that seems the most logical, and it broke away from the main part and it took it a little longer to fall to earth.

Cases like these are definitely weird, but I don't think they prove that aliens exist or are visiting our planet. But, if this is the case, did the Australian military develop these craft on their own? Would allies share this type of technology, as these things are seen all around the world? I don't like to take the alien route, but some cases do make me wonder sometimes.

This Tanya student was hauled off by ambulance never to be seen again?

I would start there: find the school registry list of students see if a Tanya was in the class/school.
Find her name and go from there. Death certificate, hospital admission records, etc...

If this Tanya existed and vanished that adds credibility to this story.

I can't believe there is nothing more in the video about the little girl (Tanya) who was taking by the ambulance and never seen again??? I can't seem to find anything saying why she was missing and was never seen again maybe she was just traumatized?? WEIRD. There is alot of info about this story online though.. Here are other links talking about the story.

naturalplane.blogspot.com...

skeptoid.com...

I hope this doesn't come across the wrong way because I appreciate the effort and I honestly believe there are aliens out there, but this isn't proof. Did you know that eye witness testimony is by far the most unreliable, yet it is used in court time and time again. In this case while there is a lot of eye witness testimony going on, it isn't proof in my eyes.

But to be fair, what would be 'proof'? Would it be a video of a UFO that people would say 'not clear enough or uncertain'? Maybe if we had Hollywood quality video of a UFO landing and a little alien walking out? No, people would say it was staged and still not believe it. So the real question is what would constitute 'proof' enough to convince the hardest of skeptics? Either way people have a hard time believing, even when something is right in front of our faces we question the validity of it. I'm cynical and untrusting, but I was lucky enough to grow up with a mother who taught me that we would be arrogant to think we were the only intelligent life out there.


Now another thing to think about, just something hubby and I were talking about last night is if maybe they already are here or even if they would have sent a physical 'meat' body here. Presumably, if they have the technology to make interstellar or intergalactic travel, one would have to assume they do not need our resources. They would have the means to handle their own needs ie food, ect.. So if that were the case then they likely would be here to gather information, just as we do really. So assuming they are advanced enough to have this sort of technology to travel and IF it is just information gathering then wouldn't it also make more sense to not send a physical body, but rather some form of recording device? ie the UFO. Or what if they have discovered a way to transport consciousness away from a physical body and 'they' already are here, but we have no way of perceiving them. Just musings really. But given their advanced technology, is it likely they have many other reasons to be here other than to observe and gather information? It seems unlikely that they need our resources, but are smart enough to figure out something like interstellar/intergalactic travel, ya know?

Originally posted by thepupils
This Tanya student was hauled off by ambulance never to be seen again?

I would start there: find the school registry list of students see if a Tanya was in the class/school.
Find her name and go from there. Death certificate, hospital admission records, etc...

If this Tanya existed and vanished that adds credibility to this story.

Hi. Another poster in this thread is on to this, email to video auther etc. If we find anything I'll u2u if you like.

Thank you for posting this info. Will make the time to go through it soon. Keep up the good work.


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Originally posted by Imtor

Sorry guy, it's like any other thread and any other case - no real evidence, the same vague and stories no actual proof.

Not really, there are quite a few unexplained UFO cases out there which also feature radar confirmation evidence, electromagnetic interference evidence, ground trace evidence or government documentary evidence to back them up.

Granted, eyewitness testimony is circumstantial (even though some separately located reports from trained professionals such as pilots and policemen is pretty compelling - particularly when they all appear to be describing the same thing) but to just dismiss all UFO cases as 'vague stories' is wrong.

Here some cases involving trained radar operators plotting unknown objects on their radar screens 'in the same area of sky' as to where the eye-witnesses are reporting them - how can you just write these incidents off as 'vague stories' when there's quite obviously a physical evidence factor involved?


UFOs 'Escort' Mexican Aircraft - Radar Confirmed

UFOs Over Edwards Air Force Base

The Minot AFB B-52 UFO Incident

Originally posted by VoidHawk

Originally posted by thepupils
This Tanya student was hauled off by ambulance never to be seen again?

I would start there: find the school registry list of students see if a Tanya was in the class/school.
Find her name and go from there. Death certificate, hospital admission records, etc...

If this Tanya existed and vanished that adds credibility to this story.

Hi. Another poster in this thread is on to this, email to video auther etc. If we find anything I'll u2u if you like.

Right on! Yeah u2u me I am very interested in this story & this Tanya student is the route to investigate.
Thanks for the info/update.

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Nothing new here..... Witnesses telling their stories,grainy photographs of alleged
saucer shaped craft! Seems no different than hundreds, if not thousands of other
UFO cases that have been reported over the years.

And still there is no proof or evidence.

The accused in this case would be acquitted for sure!

I wonder who's flying those things around? an advanced society of people who broke away from the rest of us a while ago? Maybe they will contact me, I'll put the coffee on and have some homemade cookies and cinnamon toast when they stop by......Oh wait, I think that's Santa's preference.......Well they both fly around so they may have the same cravings..

A somewhat melodramatic Sci-Fi channel piece, but still not bad overall. However, I think it begs the question. OP maintains this is "proof" of "flying saucers." OK, let us accept for the moment that everything in the video is absolute truth. I'm certainly willing to do so. There's no reason to pretend. So what have we got in summary?

A bunch of school children and a few adults saw two flying disks. These landed and some of the kids got very close to them, enough to feel heat emanating from them. The disks then took off as several Cessna-type airplanes approached. Within a few minutes cammo painted trucks arrived. The area was cordoned off. The military was apparently involved. The children were told not to talk about it. The one adult teacher was threatened, and some of the kids were ridiculed. The incident was suppressed. Some of the kids and adults remember all this.

That's the basic story. It's a classic. Many of the elements of the story follow the classic patterns of UFO sightings. Kecksburg, Roswell, and Aztec all follow the very same scenario. There's a sighting. It is suppressed by the authorities. Decades later witnesses emerge. Speculation ensues. Classic.

To repeat, what have you got, i.e.: Where can you go with this story from here? The film seemed to be favoring extra-terrestrials and blows off the secret drone theory, but there's no real evidence to do either. Even the underlying idea that the craft were "fleeing" the approaching Cessnas is an interpretation. Cessnas? Really? Those things barely go over 100 mph. They aren't very good chase planes.

This does not prove aliens. It doesn't prove inter-dimensional beings. It doesn't prove invasion. It doesn't prove space or time travel. All it proves is a bunch of kids and a few adults saw a couple of disks 45 years ago and now no one who was actually involved with any authority is either alive or willing to talk about it. This is not "debunking" the story; it is accepting it completely. It's just that you can't go anywhere with it.

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Hi.
This thread was never intended to be proof of aliens. However IMO, for me and many others it is proof of flying saucers and begs the question - who owns them?. Too many witnesses to dispute it, backed up by news paper reports of that day.
Your post is interesting, wish more people would take the time to add something usefull

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JP asked, "did the Australian military develop these craft on their own? Would allies share this type of technology,"

Just about the 50's the UK had an intention to get into space, with Blue Streak I think. They used Woomera as their base in the Australian outback. I remember a Broke Bond tea card showing the base with a small orange missile on a trailer, looked a bit like a drone!

The UK probably had some USA intel, plus it's own rocket research, which I believe was fairly advanced, plus some of the German researchers into the bell were held in the UK for a period...so who knows what went on in Australia.

en.wikipedia.org... for some background info.

www.spaceuk.org...
www.bis.gov.uk... the UK rocket programme.

Originally posted by Xaphan
Some photos, narrative, and a 48 minute video of people being interviewed about what they saw.

Seems legit

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the amount of effort you put into this thread OP. I'm not a debunker. This is a subject that fascinates me very much. But there is one thing that annoys me, and that's how people on this forum use the word 'proof' so loosely. This isn't proof. Proof of alien visitation would be video footage of a spaceship landing and aliens proceeding to exit the craft and walking around, or a crashed spaceship with corpses inside.

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I am certainly amongst the biggest skeptics here on this site, but your comment baffles me!
I actually watched the docu yesterday and found it VERY intriguing.

Whether we can use the word "proof" here or whatever, it's only semantics and entirely irrelevant!

After seeing the video, there is not the slightest doubt in my mind that there was "something" going on at this time, whether it be of alien origin or a military operation of some sorts we simply don't know. I say that as a SKEPTIC who otherwise rejects 98% of all other "UFO reports".

Here is the deal: While witness reports have their fallacies and problems associated with it, non-reliability of witnesses, "ignorance" or simply for an average witness not having a background in eg. astronomy, aircraft technology, military etc.....WITNESS REPORTS do often make the most interesting cases.

Of course this depends on other factors as well, but if a witness (or multiple even) have nothing to gain by reporting UFOs, are otherwise trusty and solid people - some should consider what they report.

I tend to believe an average person/neighbor/friend which GENUINELY tells me something extraordinary he saw over some shady book author or website owner - the "innocent" witness might indeed not have ANY agenda whatsoever - which you cannot always say from other types of people. What if, say, your uncle, your school teacher or your otherwise normal neighbor at one occasion tells you of some extraordinary event - do you simply do it off as that he went nuts, or, despite what you know of the person would all of a sudden start lying to you, despite the fact he has nothing to gain from telling you this story?

In this case, we have 200 (?) or so witnesses and after the documentary i have no reason to doubt that any of those witnesses actually say the truth (at least as it appeared to them).

The Title - You want proof of flying saucers? This is it!

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Originally posted by schuyler
All it proves is a bunch of kids and a few adults saw a couple of disks 45 years ago.

Originally posted by VoidHawk
reply to post by MaMaa

 

Hi.
This thread was never intended to be proof of aliens. However IMO, for me and many others it is proof of flying saucers and begs the question - who owns them?. Too many witnesses to dispute it, backed up by news paper reports of that day.
Your post is interesting, wish more people would take the time to add something usefull

Well yes, admittedly there is that! I suppose I just assume UFO = alien or something outside our earth. But in all reality it is simply that..an Unidentified Flying Object. Could be the government, could be some secret group, could be so so much that has nothing to do with alien life at all. Which makes me wonder, maybe what people think of aliens are original lifeforms to this planet and they are not from somewhere else after all! LOL

I suppose for proof of a flying saucer, simply the object with no attached meanings or implications, simply the object.. that would be much easier to prove. I still stand by the fact that eye witness testimony is unreliable. But these days even if it were on video and a clear one at that people wouldn't always believe or rather they would call it a hoax. I think there have been enough fakes out there for long enough that people are distrusting of everything, even if it happened to be real. So the real question is what constitutes a valid and believable proof?

By the way, thank you for the compliment! *blush*

Originally posted by MaMaa
Did you know that eye witness testimony is by far the most unreliable, yet it is used in court time and time again.

Again totally irrelevant. YES, eye witness accounts are unreliable. We know that. But if 100 people tell you that it rains right now it would legitimate to ASSUME it does indeed rain at the moment. Would you argue that it cannot be true since eye witness accounts are non reliable?

If 200 people recall an event which (DETAILS not really important here) talk about a flying "disc shaped object", the military personal etc....so what? What's your "explanation"? They were all having hallucinations? They are all lying?

What about the rather obvious FACT that as good as all data about this case is erased from the archives, as the documentary also clearly shows. Was it "aliens"? I don't know. But then the thought of some classified military program with an amazing secret craft back in 1966 is almost as phantastic as the notion it was indeed an alien ship. Regardless, you CAN not disregard 200 witness accounts and put your head in the sand as if nothing happened. There is a difference between smart and sensible debunking, or playing "dumb" and not seeing the obvious even despite overwhelming evidence.

Originally posted by rigel4
reply to post by VoidHawk

 

The accused in this case would be acquitted for sure!

Highly doubt it. There are hundreds of witnesses to this case that all saw the same thing. Unless of course they were all blind. One young child was taken away and not seen again and the behaviour of the military is enough to suggest something extraordinary took place at Westall. If there were any criminal offences that had occurred I can pretty much bet the case would still be open albeit neglected. Some questions which need to be answered are:

1. What happened to the pictures and camera that were siezed by the men in smart suits?
2. Why would the military be bothered about these photos if nothing happened?
3. Why was the principal very reclusive?
4. Why were the children called in and all told what they had seen was something totally different?
5. Why were the children visited by men in smart suits and who were they?
6. Where did the military come from and how did they arrive so quickly?
7. What happened to Tanya?
8. Why would experienced teachers make-up such an event?
9. Why were children told not to speak to the media?
10. Why were military spotted in a nearby field stamping on the ground and what did the children see?

If I was the lawyer at this trial those would be the start of my questions. Yes, I would make a pretty rubbish lawyer.

Here's my FAVORITE proof provided in this thread.




It's still a cool story. But no proof. No flag for you. I really doubt the credibility of such things when irrelevant pictures are posted, such as this one. This really reminds me of the abiogenesis thread. www.abovetopsecret.com... There was also a nother thread with a # ton of weir pictures but i cant remember what the title was. Anyone remember that?

Originally posted by flexy123

Originally posted by MaMaa
Did you know that eye witness testimony is by far the most unreliable, yet it is used in court time and time again.

Again totally irrelevant. YES, eye witness accounts are unreliable. We know that. But if 100 people tell you that it rains right now it would legitimate to ASSUME it does indeed rain at the moment. Would you argue that it cannot be true since eye witness accounts are non reliable?

If 200 people recall an event which (DETAILS not really important here) talk about a flying "disc shaped object", the military personal etc....so what? What's your "explanation"? They were all having hallucinations? They are all lying?

What about the rather obvious FACT that as good as all data about this case is erased from the archives, as the documentary also clearly shows. Was it "aliens"? I don't know. But then the thought of some classified military program with an amazing secret craft back in 1966 is almost as phantastic as the notion it was indeed an alien ship. Regardless, you CAN not disregard 200 witness accounts and put your head in the sand as if nothing happened. There is a difference between smart and sensible debunking, or playing "dumb" and not seeing the obvious even despite overwhelming evidence.

You know what they say about assumptions?! My explanation is neither that they were lying or hallucinating, but what if it were some government aircraft, but none of them knew what that looked like exactly. So of course they would all say UFO. I'm not saying disregard it as if it never happened, I'm saying that more information is needed, a whole bunch of people who didn't know what they saw, but yet all saw the same thing , hardly is proof. Lets take me for example.. I was at the gas station and my kids pointed up to the sky at some sort of aircraft. Looks freaky weird, I don't know what it is, but it didn't look like any aircraft I had ever seen before. Next thing you know there is a group of guys standing and staring up to the sky too and they have no clue what it is. There is talk of UFO, aliens, ect.. By the way, this did happen, just last summer. So I come home a little wierded out and talk to hubby about it. I draw a picture of it and he says "oh yeah, that is xyz aircraft". Well none of us that saw it at the time had any idea, but my more educated hubby did. Does that mean it was proof that it was some sort of UFO or that the witnesses were ignorant? I'm not saying they were stupid, I'm saying they were ignorant and just don't know.