You want proof of flying saucers? This is it!

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
It sounds like the Grays to me.

I hope your right to be honest, it makes me angry to think that technology such as hovering saucers would be denied to the rest of the world.

As I said elsewhere in this thread, the sainer (more programmed) part of my mind tells me these craft were made on earth, However, their size and shape does indicate the occupants (if any) were quite small so would indicate that it could be the grays.

Originally posted by ProfessorT
This case has always amazed me just as much as the Roswell incident. It has got everything apart from actual aliens. There are many witnesses, adults and children who both describe seeing the object(s). There are many questions this case raises but may never be answered. I would suggest that everyone watches the fantastic documentary that was made about this. Not only does it show the government will always attempt to hide visitations from alien craft but they will also do their best to shut witnesses up. There are various things you can compare with other UFO cases.

The Grays did their homework on this one.

They chose a location with many witnesses. (Hard to cover up)

It's too bad they took that camera.

Originally posted by ProfessorT
Not only does it show the government will always attempt to hide visitations from alien craft but they will also do their best to shut witnesses up.

Just take a look at some of the comments in this thread.

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I'd love to see what was on that camera.
Sadly I suspect it went directly to an incinerator

It was a shame mobile phones weren't about back then coz they'd never have contained it.

Originally posted by VoidHawk

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
It sounds like the Grays to me.

I hope your right to be honest, it makes me angry to think that technology such as hovering saucers would be denied to the rest of the world.

As I said elsewhere in this thread, the sainer (more programmed) part of my mind tells me these craft were made on earth, However, their size and shape does indicate the occupants (if any) were quite small so would indicate that it could be the grays.

The Grays orchestrated the whole event.

The 2 saucers were only about 20 feet in diameter according to the witnesses.

That means they were probably remote controlled by a mothership overhead.

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It makes sense to deny the technology to the whole world.

Some of the technology involved is dual use technology.

- civilian and military applications -

This technology could be used to attack Israel if it wound up in the wrong hands.

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We have the right and the responsibility to protect our secrets.

Does this make sense to you?

Originally posted by Nightchild

Originally posted by tones
sooooo where are the pictures the lady took?

lemme guess


they didnt come out when developed

or the government intercepted them from their local Walgreens of their time

Maybe you simply did not read it thoroughly enough;

Graham Simmonds says he was prepped to tell the students that what they’d seen didn’t exist. He says he was given the job of walking up and down the corridors to keep the students in their rooms. While he was walking the corridors he saw the teacher who’d been taking photographs of the saucers struggling with people in uniform who were demanding she hand over her camera.

lol

of course

Originally posted by xxblackoctoberxx
reply to post by VoidHawk

 

i dont know if someone has already replied with this but just in case

skeptoid.com...

Good article It is easy to get swept away by all the *amazing* eye witness accounts and take them as fact. But as we all know with the Roswell case stories grow over the years, they mutate into something else. Funny how they always get more intriguing over the years isn't it?

In the two "bell" photos in the original OP, light falls on the side of the object regardless of whether it is upright or on it's side. If these photos were taken during the same sighting this just doesn't add up. If the sun is reflecting off the side of the object in the first photo, then in the second it wouldn't also be reflecting off the same part of the object when it is turned 90 degrees.

I don't doubt those people all saw something. It's possible it was a man-made UFO. It's also possible that these photos are fake but used to illustrate what those folks saw. The problem with them is that when you start looking at the reflections and realize they are probably fake, it lends less credibility to an otherwise very credible story.

Originally posted by VoidHawk

Originally posted by ProfessorT
Not only does it show the government will always attempt to hide visitations from alien craft but they will also do their best to shut witnesses up.

Just take a look at some of the comments in this thread.

I have done so and as per usual when a good case does get discussed people use all sorts of excuses to explain things away. Ridiculously someone stated that multiple eye witnesses mean nothing. Well, they are incorrect. Witnesses are used in court, statements are taken from witnesses and they usually end up helping to solve crimes and mysteries alike. The best way to interview a witness is on their own so they can give you their personal account and I suspect that this has already been done before the documentary. I am all for alternative explanations as long as they are able to evidence it. There are plenty of things which happened at Westall that tell me something did happen, we were visited but what by?

Awesome thread.

To begin with this is proof that just because a subject / topic has been discussed it doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to freshen it up a bit or expand on it. (imo neway.) I do think you should give credit to older (original) threads if you know of them.

Anyway I think they saw something but I'm leaning toward experimental aircraft. Probably Germany or something we stole from the Nazis.

I read somewhere that the airforce actually fabricated some of the ufo stories while they were testing the U2. They probably do the same crap today.

Originally posted by RoyBatty
In the two "bell" photos in the original OP, light falls on the side of the object regardless of whether it is upright or on it's side. If these photos were taken during the same sighting this just doesn't add up. If the sun is reflecting off the side of the object in the first photo, then in the second it wouldn't also be reflecting off the same part of the object when it is turned 90 degrees.

I don't doubt those people all saw something. It's possible it was a man-made UFO. It's also possible that these photos are fake but used to illustrate what those folks saw. The problem with them is that when you start looking at the reflections and realize they are probably fake, it lends less credibility to an otherwise very credible story.

edit on 11-7-2012 by RoyBatty because: Correct a contraction

I spotted that about the photo after I'd posted it. It's just one photo shown at two angles, which is the correct angle I dont know.
Well spotted though.

Originally posted by VoidHawk

Originally posted by RoyBatty
In the two "bell" photos in the original OP, light falls on the side of the object regardless of whether it is upright or on it's side. If these photos were taken during the same sighting this just doesn't add up. If the sun is reflecting off the side of the object in the first photo, then in the second it wouldn't also be reflecting off the same part of the object when it is turned 90 degrees.

I don't doubt those people all saw something. It's possible it was a man-made UFO. It's also possible that these photos are fake but used to illustrate what those folks saw. The problem with them is that when you start looking at the reflections and realize they are probably fake, it lends less credibility to an otherwise very credible story.

edit on 11-7-2012 by RoyBatty because: Correct a contraction

I spotted that about the photo after I'd posted it. It's just one photo shown at two angles, which is the correct angle I dont know.
Well spotted though.

The gravity wave generators - bend - light.

These spacecraft are actually hard to photograph when in flight.

When they land and shutdown all power systems then they are easy to photograph.

Great story, haven't heard it before, but i have seen similar photos.

January 4, 1978 Miki-Cho, Kagawa, Japan Picture taken by Hirobumi Matsu#a at 3:00pm while with a friend. Object was a rare gold-metallic material. Matsu#a stated that UFO was under "intelligent control." He took several photos before object disappeared

from here

Originally posted by cavalryscout
Awesome thread.

To begin with this is proof that just because a subject / topic has been discussed it doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to freshen it up a bit or expand on it. (imo neway.) I do think you should give credit to older (original) threads if you know of them.

Anyway I think they saw something but I'm leaning toward experimental aircraft. Probably Germany or something we stole from the Nazis.

I read somewhere that the airforce actually fabricated some of the ufo stories while they were testing the U2. They probably do the same crap today.

I already posted to chadwickus about other threads. I usualy link to them and intended to in this thread, it just got overlooked. His name appears right at the top of the OP and I intended for his name to link to his thread, just forgot to set it up. Having said that I have neither taken or used anything from hs thread.
I have linked to his thread in the past HERE

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Hey, that's it! The Passaic, New Jersey 1952.

Good link.

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The Oregon 1927 looks like a Top Hat.

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Hey and weren't the Nazi's created from something Evil, Maybe the governments are behind the UFO mystery. Something Im just putting out there

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It wasn't the Nazis in Australia 1966.

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Nice try.

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good read i never heard of before sounds just like case in africa with the children heres a quick link to some of it im sure you've all already seen
www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by PhoenixOD
reply to post by lordaqua

 

It usually takes a lot more than just witness testimony alone to convict someone. In a courtroom it is a unique situation where a decision HAS to be reached. In court a 'decision' can be made on witness testimony but that does not make the testimony 'proof' which was the original claim made by the OP.

I might be able to provide 50 people that say that Elvis had lunch at my house yesterday but that doesnt prove he did. You might want to make a decision based on what they say but thats no proof.

Witnesses does not = proof.

So while the OP may have made a decision based on witness testimony there is no actual proof like he was claiming. Which is a shame, id love to see real proof of flying saucers.

edit on 10-7-2012 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)

This is where we use logic and reasoning.
Do these people seem like they are telling the truth?
Do the witnesses have any gain to orchestrate such extraordinary claim?
Are their reports coincide with millions of other reports of similar events?
How would one keep the integrity of the witnesses testimonies consistent of decades since the event has happened, is there money involve in paying such people? If so how much, how much is at risk?

There's many questions to be ask and but if people want to pawn it off as " this was an orchestrated event by people with agendas " I just don't buy that anymore, It doesn't make any logical sense for millions of people who witness UFO phenomenon to have an "agenda" of some sort.

The problem is your belief system that was programmed into you sense your childhood up to now, and with that belief you'll never get anywhere with this phenomenon until one day you witness it with your own eyes as I have and your reality completely changes.

For believers like myself, we are done arguing with non-believers /skeptics, there's no point to it anymore trying to dispute something we know as fact. Sooner or later this will blow up in everyone faces I have no doubt of that.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by VoidHawk

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
It sounds like the Grays to me.

I hope your right to be honest, it makes me angry to think that technology such as hovering saucers would be denied to the rest of the world.

As I said elsewhere in this thread, the sainer (more programmed) part of my mind tells me these craft were made on earth, However, their size and shape does indicate the occupants (if any) were quite small so would indicate that it could be the grays.

The Grays orchestrated the whole event.

The 2 saucers were only about 20 feet in diameter according to the witnesses.

That means they were probably remote controlled by a mothership overhead.

---------
It makes sense to deny the technology to the whole world.

Some of the technology involved is dual use technology.

- civilian and military applications -

This technology could be used to attack Israel if it wound up in the wrong hands.

----------
We have the right and the responsibility to protect our secrets.

Does this make sense to you?

no no no no...

More like telepathy control....