Is Lucifer our Friend?

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Of course it isn't unique. But you know, you don't have to call Jesus a liar to say, "Oh, well, as long as you live and love, you should do alright."

Sure, someone lied. But it doesn't have to be Jesus.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Well thats just it .. All these Christians are being decieved .. There isn't even any Historical evidance for Jesus.

Flavius Josephus said so .. And he was the Jewish Historian at the time.

When Constantine and his crew got together 325ce They made the bible.

I mean This was LOOONG after John was exiled on Patmos....

Constantine just took some lame cross symbol ( It was actually a damn comet )in the sky and thought .. Oohhh we need to use this lame Christian religion , Because he was about to get beat down.

Everyone wwas deceived

If Jesus did exist he is the son of Enlil.. And Enlil is true evil

And so is EN.KI We are on this planet for an Annunaki agenda..

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Honestly, I have no idea, expect that it was put there. Not hard when you are working from the ground up.

Well, yeah it was put there. But how did successive generations figure out they were making the Christian gospel when they were naming their kids? A couple thousand years before Christ was born?

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Of course it isn't unique. But you know, you don't have to call Jesus a liar to say, "Oh, well, as long as you live and love, you should do alright."

Sure, someone lied. But it doesn't have to be Jesus.

He said "No man goes to the Father except by Me."

Would you not expect Christians to believe and trust what He said?

reply to post by gLuEBoY


Okay, u realize Dan Brown wrote a fiction book correct? The books of the bible were never discussed at Nicaea. The council was convened to address the Arian heresy and nail down a date for Easter. And there are 27 books of the NT documenting the Man Jesus. 10 of his apostles were martyred for refusing to recant that He was the risen Lord.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


AfterInfinity, some of us are still interested in where you got your information on the name "Jesus" meaning "God is the Way".

Here's Votan's original request:

I thought it meant savior or God saves ... savior... where do you get "God is the way" where did you get this from anyways...

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Deetermined

 

I don't have my research here with me, but I clearly remember that the line was entered at a later date. By whom, I cannot recall.

Additionally, the Ruach, otherwise known as the spirit of God, literally translates to "wind" and cannot be construed as having any personality. Therefore, a third of the Trinity is not a person. Is this intentional?

Yes, I would imagine that the Holy Spirit would be described as a "wind", since it's a spirit and you can't see it, but it still moves and you can feel it and hear it. Here's some more information regarding the Spirit. Inside the link, it gives all of the Bible verses describing the Spirit to back up this quoted statement:

Question: "Who is the Holy Spirit?"

Answer: There are many misconceptions about the identity of the Holy Spirit. Some view the Holy Spirit as a mystical force. Others understand the Holy Spirit as the impersonal power that God makes available to followers of Christ. What does the Bible say about the identity of the Holy Spirit? Simply put, the Bible declares that the Holy Spirit is God. The Bible also tells us that the Holy Spirit is a divine person, a being with a mind, emotions, and a will.

www.gotquestions.org...

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by WhoKnows100

 

That can be taken so many ways. What is a god, even? Until we can define the term "god", we don't even know who it's talking about.

Yes, man is appointed the sorrow of mortality. Most of our problems stem from a fear of mortality.

I leave you to your own interpretation, but the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob clearly tells me that He is the Creator of Heaven and Earth and everything in it, including His Creation - mankind. He also tells me that the choice is between evil and death and good and life.

The fear of death dictates man and his actions. The fear of death drives the desire within modern science to find a cure for ageing and an immortality gene. The fear of death was used by that old serpent in the garden, telling Eve that she "would surely not die"....the fear of death is used extensively in the modern age to herd mankind into accepting previously abhorrent thoughts such as forced population reduction due global climate change and into giving up freedoms in exchange for 'protection against terrorist attacks'. My Creator tells me that man must give up this fear of death if they truly want freedom - because nobody can then use this fear tactic against them. Nobody can get me to agree to forced population reduction (murder), for example, because I know that my life will go on. But for those who do not hold this promise, the 'elite' will have no problems getting people caught up in the grip of fear, to go along with their plans provided that their name is not on the death list.

Jesus showed the world that overcoming death is possible through God's mercy. He is the Way, the Truth and Life. The Bible tells us that the sign of Jonah is the only evidence given to this generation - and the fact is - you have that evidence and so do I in the fact that you are aware of Christ Jesus. But alas, I cannot prove it to you, I can only point you to this plain fact and tell you that your Creator confirms it to you. For 43 years, I never believed - until I sought Him in prayer for understanding. I then believed, and with no doubts remaining, He set me on my journey.

I couldn't sum up this life altering confirmation better than in the words to Amazing Grace.

Yea, when this flesh and heart shall fail,
And mortal life shall cease,
I shall possess within the veil,
A life of joy and peace.
When we've been here ten thousand years
Bright shining as the sun.
We've no less days to sing God's praise
Than when we've first begun.

You ask who 'God' is, and His spirit clearly says that He is love. His Spirit clearly says that "I love because He first loved me". His Spirit clearly reminds me that a God of love would step into His fallen creation, subject to fear and death, in order to lead us out of it. Jesus then sent His disciples into the world as He was sent by the Father, in order to spread the gospel of salvation and of the Kingdom of God. And for two "days", it has reached all those whom it needed to reach. That, my friend, is the gospel of Truth.

'Lucifer' isn't a 'god', but rather (in my opinion) fallen man who exalts himself above everything called God, the Creator of Heaven and Earth. 'Lucifer', in my opinion, is the spirit of disobedience that says man doesn't NEED his Creator, that man can do just FINE without their Creator and that man can determine his own fate. It operates on a false definition of love - acceptance and tolerance. Jesus states that the meek shall inherit the Earth however. Looking around today and feeling His Spirit, I know why that is stated -There is no place in a spiritual Kingdom for rebellion, dissension or hatred - because it is not of the Almighty. His children, raised to the level of faithfulness as demonstrated by Jesus, are at one with Him, doing His will and all that He commands. I am under no illusions, the journey can be slow and painful, but in the end, I've no doubt that we will fully understand.

reply to post by Deetermined


Correct. In Hebrew He is called by Name "Ruach ha'Kodesh"...

Ruach: wind or breath

Kodesh: Holy

reply to post by gLuEBoY


Constantine was pagan up until the moment he was baptized on his deathbed...a common practice at the time.

It is proven, however, that he was in charge of a collaborative compilation of all the mythos involved in numerous pagan faiths. The goal was to prevent any wars in the name of religion...but he underestimated the power of interpretation.

There are scholars who claim that not only did multiple Jesuses live during that time, with not a single legitimate record of one being from Nazareth, but that Nazareth didn't even exist during that time period. You'd think that something so solidly reliable would have evidence supporting every facet...especially considering the archeological technology we have now.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by flashtrum

 

I started to worry there at the beginning of your post. Good to hear that you got out of that whole cult mind.

Scientology is a cult. I do believe there are absolutely more well-intended Christians than not. Yes, the Old Testament features an angry God. But you really can't argue Jesus' message in terms of how people should treat each other (if the dude even existed) in the New testament (new being two thousand years old now.).

Before I go on, let me say in full disclosure - I am on the fence with one foot on a banana peel that none of that is real.

The problem comes in when people who seek power, or money, or both corrupt the original message. Again, forget believing in god or Jesus - many of the messages are very humanitarian - help the poor, treat others with respect, oh and don't kill each other (one of those pesky ten commandments). I just look at the Vatican and think to myself, man if Jesus were real and alive today would he be down with all of the wealth in that city? Would he be cool with these "pastors" of small churches (blacks call them reverends) who move into vacant buildings in inner cities to squeeze the last nickel out of the poorest people in the country? Would he fist-bump the "bishop" or "pastor" (most of this is self-appointed) who runs a MEGA church? How in the heck can one guy actually be available to four thousand people for counseling and support? He can't! It's all about the Benjamins.

What alarms me is the number of people that BLINDLY follow this without asking questions. I admire people of faith. I have little patience for those that quote the bible rather than having their own voice in an argument. "Well, if you look at the Book of PoShawn, chapter 3, verse 7, he says...." Really? Try having an original thought in that thick skull of yours.

I recognize Judiasm, Hunduism, Buddhism, Catholicism/Christianity (Lutheran, etc) - as religions. I don't quite get the mormons, who follow a guy named "Joe Smith" (but will vote for Romney - I don't care what you pray to if you can fix this current mess), the muslims are simply angry arabs who hated western culture and religion and thus created that nonsense out of hatred (jihads for everyone!!). That Scientology has been given the same status of those that actually have faith in the divine is absolutely the most ludicrous thing I think I've ever heard. My god - L. Ron wrote some crazy stuff and asks people to take a billion year pledge to live on a boat. At best he was a prolific guy with a penchant for writing science fiction who comes across as kind of creepy.

reply to post by flashtrum


Scientology is still faith of a sort, because it still doesn't explain everything.

That's why it gets lumped up with the rest of the religions - because parts of it are still based on faith that yes, science will answer any and all questions regarding the cosmos and our being here in due time.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Sure, you show us how to goddess worshipper.

Thank you for the nice label. Nicer than some I have garnered in here. Stand up, go outside, and face one of the cardinal directions, Air is the element of the East, Fire is associated with the South, Water is associated with West, Earth is associated with the North.

Raise your arms, and spread your legs to form an "X". Lay your head back, and fell the flow of Pure energy that flows though you. Know that you are one with, and are part of the Universe. Know that you create your own reality at all times. Know that while there is a waiting period here, in the Higher Dimensions this creation is instant. Not one person will have to be alone, ever again.

reply to post by aaaiii


The truth is found Within.... but don't hesitate to read what the priests said was blasphemous, what those in control want to ban, what the histories were forced to forget. Having the Gospel of Thomas was considered a death sentence when the 'bible' was being concocted... so was the Gospel of Judas, for that matter. I found quite a bit of interesting stuff there. Dig, dig, then dig deeper. Ask why at every opportunity. Dare to challenge the status quo.

reply to post by autowrench


East for Air, eh? Hmm...I am an Air sign. I wonder if that means I should travel east? Perhaps that is where my destiny lies.

I'll consider that later.

Got a question so that I can answer this question to myself'
Lucifer is found only one time in my bible and that is in Isaiah. The book of Job is considered, by some, to be the oldest book in the bible and much older than Isaiah.

Without a lot of input, the word Devil is found 57 times but only in the New Testament. The word Satan is found 49 times in both New and Old testaments. 15 times in the old Testament and moistly in the book of Job. In the New Testament it is found 34 times. I realize that some of the bible is from Greek and some from Hebrew or Aramaic but my question is -- Are all three of these words meaning the same?

Some years ago I was taught that some orthodox Jews believed that angels could not sin. They simply made errors in judgment from time to time. Also that the Christian's fallen angel named Lucifer or Devil or Satan (whatever), has only one job to do and that is to tempt (test) us in the hope that we pass the test. In other words he does his job with love and not malice. Has anyone any knowledge of this teaching?

Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. I take this as meaning that Jesus saw this happen to this fallen angel. From what I understand, it was not Jesus that did this warfare but was only a spectator to the event and I assume that He saw this this from heaven. Any input on this?

reply to post by Seede

Also that the Christian's fallen angel named Lucifer or Devil or Satan (whatever), has only one job to do and that is to tempt (test) us in the hope that we pass the test.

Why do you think he's called the bringer of light? Light, as in seeing, learning...how else do you learn, but from making mistakes?

I'm glad someone else sees this.

reply to post by Seede

Also that the Christian's fallen angel named Lucifer or Devil or Satan (whatever), has only one job to do and that is to tempt (test) us in the hope that we pass the test. In other words he does his job with love and not malice. Has anyone any knowledge of this teaching?

Before the fall, this was his task as apart of above. He took it too far (wanted to tempt and rule above), and thus he was cast out. So, this is correct in the sense of before, but not current day.

reply to post by AfterInfinity

Light, as in seeing, learning...how else do you learn, but from making mistakes?

I stated this same thing in another thread, but you didn't seem to understand, I'm confused now, you even went as far to say I was blasphemous.

I like what Vlll. of the Corpus Hermeticum says about death and all that jazz, from the original translation by G.R.S. Mead :
"For death is of destruction, and nothing in cosmos is destroyed. For if Cosmos is second God, a life that cannot die, it cannot be that any part of this immortal life should die. All things in Cosmos are part of Cosmos, and most of all is man, the rational animal."
"The Father is Himself eternal of Himself, but Cosmos has become eternal and immortal by the Father"
And so?
"The "Restoration" of bodies on earth is thus their composition, whereas their dissolution restores them to those bodies which can never be dissolved, that is to say, which know no death."

*Note- 'Cosmos' is also 'Son of God', which I leave for the individual to interpret in accord to their own understanding.

Anotherwords, things do as they do, they operate in accord to 'What Is' but they do not 'die' or are 'destroyed', but rather their external form 'changes'. That of the material dissolve, recycle and reconstitute. 'Death' then is not death nor destruction, and for beings, it is as taking off a garment (the material body).

On from whence come light and darkness, I tend to consider the verse of Isaiah 45:7, from the KJV Bible:
"7.I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things..."
There are a couple other verses which also support this as well. So prehapes we are incorrect in saying God is soley 'good'. Perhapes we would better understand God as Transcendent and out of Whose ocean flows all things, including good and evil.
If God is One, then God cannot have a force which can Challenge or compete with It, getreadyalready would be correct. Infact, the OT drives this home perdy clear with examples of 'how can anyone challenge God' type instances. If Satan is a real presence, he must surely be in the service of God knowingly or unknowlingly or he is a great fool, "You are wrong Saklas!" hehe. There is also the possibility that we are attempting to personify one of many forces in the Cosmos in order to try to better understand it and in the process may have let our imaginations get a hold of us a little bit.