What possible use is the Higgs Boson??? And who cares?? Not me.

reply to post by AQuestion


I am far too old to be playing such games. You've made an error (understandable, we're all humans, more or less), and push an anti-intellectual agenda (not tolerable) and it sickens me.

They did not call it the "god particle". It was called a "goddammed particle" and definetly not because they want to disprove god. You want it to be so so badly it's really sad.

It's really fascinating to see how much illogical my own species is.

I am sorry to be so blunt but this seems like the ULTIMATE troll ever put out there.

I think you really do know it is important but you want to hear everyone tell you why it is to fuel a thread.

reply to post by FurvusRexCaeli


Actually the name of the book was supposed to be "the Goddamn Particle" due to Leon Ledermans percieved frustrations at finding the elusive particle. However his publisher changed it to "The God Particle" so not to offend anyone.

Also I don't think you understand the immensity of this discovery. This one particle could lead to a revolution in Space travel and physics in general. Taking us a step closer to unraveling the mysteries of existence.

Michael Faraday was once asked by a government official who thought his discovery was only important in the realm of theoretical science, "what is the use of this electricity?" in which Faraday replied "What is the use of a new-born baby?". Applications of the standard model and the discovery of the Higgs Boson may be very limited today, but it may be at the forefront of technological advancement much like electricity is today sometime in the future.

For me it represents one thing...to finally begin to understand gravity, and one day soon perhaps,
control gravity. To understand how mass interacts with mass...

If alien beings are visiting earth IMO they are using the gravitational force to do so. They could use
wormholes, but as we understand it, this would require a vast amount of energy to be expended and so
the ends would not justify the means. Also, as has been reported in many UFO sightings, the craft
seem to defy the laws of physics with right angle turns at enormous speed, and stopping and
starting on a dime. Wormhole jumps just get you from here-to-there in a hurry. The only two
possible ways to instantly accelerate and instantly stop, is either to manipulate space time, or
control the gravity in and around your vehicle....this discovery will crack open the door to the latter

reply to post by iskander683


Well the amount of which you do not care is directly proportional to how retarded you are. As the higgs boson particle will help to provide vital evidence which scientists have needed to support there various theories about the universe and quantum physics and the rest....

reply to post by iskander683


The reason why it is called the "God particle" is because it was so "god-damn hard to find it".

But in all honesty, the technological achievement that we can now get is revolutionary. To put it in simple terms, what the scientists have found is "particle" within the atoms called the "higgs field", the higgs field controls mass. So if we put this into the laws of physics, it could be possible to lower the mass or raise the mass of any object.

If this is true, then imagine how cheap space travel could become if we made if have zero mass? It costs over 20,000? dollars at the moment to take a gram of weight into space. With the "god particle" it could be transported for near nothing!!!!

Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
But in all honesty, the technological achievement that we can now get is revolutionary. To put it in simple terms, what the scientists have found is "particle" within the atoms called the "higgs field", the higgs field controls mass. So if we put this into the laws of physics, it could be possible to lower the mass or raise the mass of any object.

How many times do I need to explain that this is not what it means?

It's like saying that knowing F=ma lets you "control mass" because it has an m in it. Nonsense!

Originally posted by Moduli

Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
But in all honesty, the technological achievement that we can now get is revolutionary. To put it in simple terms, what the scientists have found is "particle" within the atoms called the "higgs field", the higgs field controls mass. So if we put this into the laws of physics, it could be possible to lower the mass or raise the mass of any object.

How many times do I need to explain that this is not what it means?

It's like saying that knowing F=ma lets you "control mass" because it has an m in it. Nonsense!

It hasn't been proven yet its still only a theory, perhaps you should read next time before jumping to conclusions....

reply to post by rival


I've been thinking about this.
All mass has energy but not all energy has mass.
Therefore you can substitute energy in the equations for gravity since e=mc^2.
What I'm trying to say is it isn't the mass imparted to particles from the Higgs Field that causes gravity.
The particles had energy to begin with and gravitational fields.

In conclusion, I think, that all particles regardless of whether they have mass or not bend space-time because they have energy!
I may be incorrect and if anyone can correct me please do.

Originally posted by CrimsonKapital

Originally posted by Moduli

Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
But in all honesty, the technological achievement that we can now get is revolutionary. To put it in simple terms, what the scientists have found is "particle" within the atoms called the "higgs field", the higgs field controls mass. So if we put this into the laws of physics, it could be possible to lower the mass or raise the mass of any object.

How many times do I need to explain that this is not what it means?

It's like saying that knowing F=ma lets you "control mass" because it has an m in it. Nonsense!

It hasn't been proven yet its still only a theory, perhaps you should read next time before jumping to conclusions....

Ignore Mulili, or whatever his name is...seriously, ignore him....

Originally posted by BagBing
Ignore Mulili, or whatever his name is...seriously, ignore him....

Right, my degree is only in high energy particle physics, what would I know about these things?

Originally posted by Moduli

Originally posted by BagBing
Ignore Mulili, or whatever his name is...seriously, ignore him....

Right, my degree is only in high energy particle physics, what would I know about these things?

Your arrogance precedes you...

To the OP - this 'discovery' is eqivalent to the discovery of the electron, the www, and numnerous human scanning sciences.

reply to post by Moduli


I would imagine in order to lower or raise the mass of elementary particles we would have to somehow alter the Higgs Field.
We just discovered a Higgs-like boson. Still need to figure out it's properties.

As far as I know we haven't been able to alter any fundamental fields of nature yet.

Granted it would be cool to alter the mass of things locally but I don't see that happening anytime soon if ever.

Originally posted by dxdydz
reply to post by Moduli

 

I would imagine in order to lower or raise the mass of elementary particles we would have to somehow alter the Higgs Field.

That's like claiming that because of F = m a, all you have to do to change something's mass is to change F and a. Nonsense.

reply to post by Moduli


I was agreeing with you it's nonsense at this point. I was just reasoning it out for the others.
Sorry it wasn't a reply to you it was a reply to your reply to the other poster.

reply to post by iskander683


reply to original post:

I think of the discovery like this: once upon a time people didn't know that objects we use are made of tiny particles called atoms and molecules. Once we started to understand that it made MANY things possible, including amazing medicines, x-ray machines, space travel, etc, etc, etc. ALL because we found out that water is made of H2O (two atoms of Hydrogen and one of Oxygen), and the subsequent related discoveries.

we later discovered that atoms are made up of smaller particles called electrons, protons, and neutrons. We have figured out how to manipulate those things to do carbon dating, create objects from other objects (such as turning lead to gold if we chose to lose money ), and having nuclear power.

Now, in quantum mechanics, we have discovered that the smaller atomic particles are made up of smaller particles called quarks (and a few other names such as boson). As these tiny particles blink in and out of existence, they create our world. Three quarks interrelate to make the Hydrogen, in turn the Hydrogen makes the water, which in turn makes the coffee you may have in front of you.

If you change one of the quarks that water is no longer water - maybe it's now glue, or steel, or invisible gas.

The Higgs Boson can allow us to manipulate objects on the very lowest levels (that we know exist) and literally allow us to design objects from scratch, from thin air... "Computer, coffee with Bailey's" (/Star Trek reference)

So, if knowing that atoms exist allow us to create medicines or rewrite DNA, imagine what knowing the lower level particles are about could allow! The Higgs Boson particularly allows us to understand the particles that give things mass or physical nature.

reply to post by Moduli


Actually according to F=ma if you did change "m" and kept "a" constant you would indeed change F. Or if you changed "m" and kept "F" constant you would change "a".

eg. if you could locally decrease the mass of an object in earths gravitational field then since a = 9.8 m/s^2 the force would have to decrease. This would mean the object in question would have less weight.

Star and flagged. I agree with you 100%, OP. Don't pay any attention to those in this thread who question your intelligence for telling it like it is. The vast majority of them are either physicists whose research is relevant to this finding or people who think they are knowledgeable because they read Brian Green's and Michio Kaku's books on physics, all the while never having taken a physics or calculus class before.

Ever since nuclear physics split from being a subset of particle physics to its own recognized discipline, nothing of practical and useful significance has come out of particle physics in the past 50 years. Hell, quantum mechanics has been around for almost a century and we are only starting to find some useful applications in industry today. If the whole standard model isn't scrapped in the distant future, then by the time they start to find practical applications of the Higgs Boson, you will be long dead and it will be in the lifetime of a future descendant of yours.

reply to post by Diablos


Are you serious? I'm going to address quantum physics in this response.
Read here at how quantum physics has been useful.
www.scientificamerican.com...

You should really google before you post.

The computer you are using to communicate this would not be possible without it.