Enlightenment

reply to post by ypperst

You are correct with everything so said. I have personally witnessed that in myself. Ive been helping everyone i meet on a daily basis at my job being customers & fellow employees in even the littlest form by just listening & not overworking myself. The feeling has been great as if I had just accomplished something great.

Enlightenment is achieved
primarily through
introspection.

reply to post by ypperst


We allready live in the Golden age becuase once we learn the truth, we will realise we never left it. There is no other way this is the way the universe works. The universe is in self reflection and it consists of One Being that has self replicated itself and said let there be free will. We are this Being becuase there can be NO OTHER becuase there is only ONE being. Once you realise this profound truth, you will feel massive change in your heart if you have an open heart, you will feel so much self love and love of all. Once we all remember that its going to be like a paradise now and you are operating in this 5D frequency that exists in the now, you wont be just good people you will be lightworkers lighting the entire earth like a show.

Originally posted by TheSubversiveOne
If enlightenment consists of going to an internet forum and claiming one is enlightened, then there are many enlightened being here on ATS. I would wager, that in real life, a true enlightened person wouldn't even need a computer. I would also wager that if anyone knew anything about enlightenment, it would be the enlightened, and not the folks who make such claims on an internet forum.

OP, you have spoken more truth than anyone who's disagreed with you—simply because you haven't yet lied to yourself. Don't allow yourself to be seduced or you justify their actions.

If Jesus was enlightened he wouldn't have bothered standing on a hill speaking to the people either would he??

Awakening does happen but there are no enlightened people. In fact there are no people there is only ever this. 'This' right here and right now is all there is. No people, no time, no 'other' anything. Just this.
This is one. Find 'this' and the worries on the world will disolve. There is no need to carry the weight of the world on your shoulders. Let go and let God.
Life feels heavy for most because they believe they have to do life, they believe they have to be a certain way, to act a certain way to fit in, to be good. 'Be good' is what ruins your life.
Just be.

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i know its not everyone's level and i know i must respect that
you wont know if you dont try


Reverence and venerability are the primal forces of all knowledge. (2011 version)

This means that a person must have venerable reverence in himself for all things if he wants to attain knowledge.

All things are venerable, the positive ones as well as the negative ones, which should be respected in the same, equal way in reverence, when they are not degenerate.

Logic states that everything and everybody in the universe was created in universal love and serves a certain purpose, consequently it is venerable and must viewed with reverence, because nothing is created in the universe, without it being committed to a certain mission.

Pay attention to your surroundings and your experiences and pick out from them everything that claims reverence from you. Pay attention to the people, the animals and the plants, and see the venerableness in them.

Criticize and correct your fellow human being not in a degrading form, but in a balanced form, to rectify their mistakes with honest love and attention, only in an helpful and supporting manner.

This is necessary for the sake of reverence and because of the natural creative laws, thus you are urged to be well-balanced negative as well as well-balanced positive by which you completely act in balance and are able to feel reverence for all things.

Example of well-balanced positivity: When an animal in Nature becomes degenerate for whatever reason, then it will be either banished or destroyed by other animals or humans. The mere act of destroying the degenerate animal is negative, because an act of destruction is negative in itself, however the result is neutral-positive because the degenerated animal is destroyed and thereby the balance in nature is restored.

Example of lack of reverence:

To use solely/mostly age, gender, social-economical position to win an argument instead of using common-sense and reason is a clear sign, that one is not able to counter well formulated arguments with logic. After a certain age common-sense and reason has grown to such an extent that possible age difference becomes less relevant, provided the person has studied and keeps on studying. If a person needs to use physical properties (I am older, or I am a man, or I am rich, etc, etc) to 'win' an argument, then that person has already 'lost' a discussion.


Maybe a less valid example, if one JUST thinks of age as a prominent factor, then in that way of reasoning would mean Pope Benedict XVI (born Joseph Aloisius Ratzinger on 16 April 1927) would be a wiser and more experienced man then 'Billy' Eduard Albert Meier, because he is born on 3 February 1937, little shy of ten years later.
Wisdom yields more respect than just 'white' hair.

You may never just see the good(logic, balance etc.) or just see the bad(illogic, unbalance, etc.), but you must see the good(logic, balance etc.) and the bad(illogic, unbalance, etc.) in an equal balance, and you must recognize the venerability from both factors and accept, that both, good(logic, balance etc.) and bad(illogic, unbalance, etc.), are factors of vital importance of the creation-conditioned evolution, thus they must find reverence in your being.

Thus, you should never judge falsely, but be recognizing and respectful,. You should make this your internal and external rule of life.
This rule must be to you a component of your Gemüt, your psyche and your consciousness.

You have it in your power to perfect yourself and to transform noticeably within time.
However, this change must take place in your personality, caused by your reasoning, Empfindung, feelings and thoughts.

Hence, it is not enough that you show reverence only externally to one or all things, while this reverence is still foreign to your personality and to your thinking.

You must have reverence, in your Empfindung, feelings and thoughts whether you are awake or asleep, or whether you are amongst others or alone.

You must start with this if you want to work your way up in the secrets of the spiritual teaching to attain higher knowledge, consciousness-related/spiritual abilities and forces which you will be able to use in a fully beneficial way.

You must continuously try to seek and create lasting reverence, to let it become a permanent part of your thoughts and feelings, so all thoughts and feelings of irreverence and disparaging criticism and judgment in your consciousness becomes a thing of the past.

Absolutely noiseless and undetectable from the outside world, this change takes place when you walk on the path of knowledge and become reverent to all venerable things.

Absolutely noiseless and undetectable from the outside world, this change takes place when you walk on the path of knowledge and become reverent to all venerable things.

At first, it will not be easy for you to become knowledgeable because reverence for all venerable things is the basic factor of all knowledge.

This rests in the fact that you are still inclined to believe, and it is in this belief you accept the assumption that insight is an ability in itself, and purely a consciounsness-related process.

However, with this line of thought you do not recognize that the origin of all recognition lies in your spirit and your Gemüt as well as your psyche, because only there lie the basic forces of all development and understanding.

Hence, you will only find the key to the secrets and to the beauty of life inside and outside, when you start to live in yourself, in your spirit, in your Gemüt and in your psyche, which are animated and shaped by knowledge and ability, by consciously generated factors as well as the Empfindungen and feelings, which make themselves understandable as symbols to the spirit, Gemüt and the psyche.

Hence, you must learn, to control your feelings, your thoughts and Empfindung and to steer them in the necessary strength and direction.

However, you must also learn to generate them consciously and to work with them. Thereby you learn to develop together with the outside world according to the given sevenfold laws.

As a principle of your introduction into the spiritual teaching the following value should count for you: that you search for knowledge about the insights of the consciousness-related/spiritual to ripen within yourself and in order to perfect yourself into the evolution that is imposed upon you, you should never search only for insights just for the sake knowledge alone.

Any knowledge must serve in honest form of your evolution.
By acquiring insights, every search for Truth must be done in all honesty in your thinking, feelings and Empfindung.
Your senses must be dedicated towards consciousness-related/spiritual evolution.
This means to have reverence for the knowledge and the truth.

Gemüt ( = German word for the spiritual counterpart of the Psyche, there is no correct translation into English available)

Definitions of good and bad:
Good = Logical, Neutral, Neutral-positive, creational justice, etc.
Bad = Illogical, unbalanced-positive, unbalanced-negative, etc.

i know its not for everyone and i know i must respect that
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Originally posted by dominicus
google the "meditationexpert" website, and read anything from Anadi(Aziz Kristof) or A.H. Almaas, or anything that has to do with Dzogchen and then come back and post on this thread. You guys are joking yourselves using the "E" word like it's some loose knit label.

We're living on a ball of clay with 7.5 billion and maybe only a handful or so will ever reach true Enlightenment.

So honestly my take is it that most of you can GTF out of here with your enlightenment threads. you really don't have a single clue about it other than simple surface level B.S.

Those 5 or so folks really doin it are surely not on ats posting about it. Those who say, don't know. Those who know, don't say.

I promise you this, read the 4 references above and you'll be thinking twice weather to ever post anything that has to do with the word "Enlightenment" again.

Buddha would crush those guys in a meditation/enlightenment contest for sure. High dexterity as well. Dzogchen has skills, but he is still living in Buddha's shadow. It's unfortunate because he has worked his way up, paid his dues. Thus is the life of the famously enlightened. It's great work if you can get through the minors.

reply to post by ypperst


Hey, well I haven't heard that many people talking about how "enlightenment" shall happen to them. I had to seek it for 7 years with meditation and study before becoming illuminated, reconnecting with my soul memories and all that.

However I have heard of people believing they shall "ascend" now this is much more plausible, since they only have to die to ascend into the heavens, and that is something they can achieve passively.
Especially considering that only 5% of people see themselves incarnating on earth by 2100, that implies a 95% reduction in the population, so lots of people shall have the opportunity to "Ascend".

I see Ascension as little more then a euphemism for death.
My mom for instance had an what she described as an "ascension" dream,
where the details led me to believe she was gassed in a concentration camp.

Enlightenment is the joy of rediscovering that your higher self is God, or, God rediscovering him/herself. The first step is, through introspection, realizing that you are/exists and that this is a higher self detached from your physical body, your body is a vessel/container for your conciousness and not who you are in a deeper ethernal sense. No one can teach you enlightenment, you can only be thought how to find it by yourself.

Originally posted by MerkabaMeditation
Enlightenment is the joy of rediscovering that your higher self is God, or, God rediscovering him/herself. The first step is, through introspection, realizing that you are/exists and that this is a higher self detached from your physical body, your body is a vessel/container for your conciousness and not who you are in a deeper ethernal sense. No one can teach you enlightenment, you can only be thought how to find it by yourself.

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Technically speaking, if we're referring to "Buddhist Enlightenment", only dead people can have that, Buddhist Enlightenment can be considered "Permanent Ascension", or "Liberation from reincarnation" as the Hindu's call it.
That is why Buddhists tell you there are no enlightened people,
since you have to be dead forever, if you want to be "enlightened".

How it is that Buddha managed to become enlightened while being alive is a mystery,
the belief is that Guatama Buddha shall never return to earth, as he was "liberated" from ever having to do so.


Illumination on the other hand, is something that can be achieved in ones lifetime.
And yes it does have many of the Luciferian tendencies you described, as being God of your own experience.
Along with reconnecting with my soul, and remembering my past lives, getting major downloads of what the rest of the Illuminati were doing, and seeing all/many of the various future potentials.
I also gained the power/knowledge of magic, how it works, how to work it, and now I have, know and am able to do everything I could possibly wish for.

reply to post by lowki


I'm not a buddhist. In my belief system Enlightenment does not belong to any religion, if someone says "I can give you enlightenment" then know that he/she is a liar; only you can enlighten yourself. Truth does not take sides. If someone says "I can help you be enlightened" then he/she may be speaking the truth.

Be aware of power, because it is fear that is the emotion that drives that desire. Know that your desires change who you are, feelings are true energies in other realm/realities that manifest themselfs in the physical body through its chemical reactions in the brain. The search for power feeds your higher self with fear energies.

reply to post by BlueMule


Understand how existence is and then live it, i think many of you mooji lovers and the like, are gazing upon existence, watching, observing, rationalizing, but refuse to live it.

Whatever enlightenment is, the process / stages / journey of enlightenment don't belong to any one religion or culture. It's universal. Every culture has heroes who reach enlightenment and try to share their personal insight with their culture, and every culture has ignorant villians that will oppose the heroes. The pattern can be detected in world religion and myth, and the late great mythologist Joseph Campbell detected it and reduced it to a formula in his influential book The Hero with a Thousand Faces.

Ever since George Lucas used that book (among other things) to make Star Wars, Hollywood has been using it heavily to make movies that metaphorically depict the pattern of enlightenment, aka the process of individuation, aka the monomyth, aka the Hero Journey.

Buddha - A Hero's Journey to Nirvana

Originally posted by rwfresh
reply to post by ypperst

 

all the enlightened people i know are cool and smart. being enlightened is super awesome. only smart cool people understand enlightenment because it's so important. i think enlightened people are already perfect so anything anyone else says is wrong.

God, I love this place. Thanks for this post. I just mailed it around to my friends and we're really enjoying the humor. I used to take you seriously, but I discovered that you've got a really wicked sardonic streak that borders of genius at times. Damn, I wish I'd posted this in this thread. I'm jealous.

Originally posted by ypperst


For me, enlightenment is something yourself achieve. Not something you have to wait on.

that's what I was gunna say when I read your title

reply to post by bottleslingguy


It cannot be achieved, it happens just like everything is happening.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by TheSubversiveOne
If enlightenment consists of going to an internet forum and claiming one is enlightened, then there are many enlightened being here on ATS. I would wager, that in real life, a true enlightened person wouldn't even need a computer. I would also wager that if anyone knew anything about enlightenment, it would be the enlightened, and not the folks who make such claims on an internet forum.

OP, you have spoken more truth than anyone who's disagreed with you—simply because you haven't yet lied to yourself. Don't allow yourself to be seduced or you justify their actions.

If Jesus was enlightened he wouldn't have bothered standing on a hill speaking to the people either would he??

Assuming the biblical Jesus existed, we would probably be safe to say that he wasn't enlightened.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

are you saying it happens to ignorant, greedy, evil people whether they try to be upright or not? then the meaning of life is absurd, there is no justice and no reason to be compassionate or charitable. The Golden Rule is a sham? Are you saying enlightenment is a free ride? cool, I think I'll go out and rob an old lady right after I step on a kitten.

reply to post by bottleslingguy


A person is not good if it is the fear of punishment that keeps him/her from doing bad things. Love is an energy that I believe comes from God and works through you, there are many kinds of love but I'm speaking of Agape, if you open up to this love you can do good deeds without pleasuring your ego.