British Army To March On London...

reply to post by EvanB


Good on you and best of luck, I hope this sparks some real change.

I wish US troops actually took their oath serious.

My only concerns about this march will be that it just turns out to be nothing more than that, and the politicians do nothing about it.

There's not really much more you can do, apart from if you're ready to go one step further and lay down arms.

I know there's a lot of passion in this thread, and rightly so, there should be because the topic is so serious, but looking at the protest itself realistically....

A peaceful protest is about all you can do. Anything more that amounts to violence or damage to property, can only do harm to the forces image. I think i'm saying, be professional, don't let yourselves end up looking like the chavs that rioted last summer. Apart from a full-on kicking out of the politicians...which won't happen...or a complete u-turn, which i'm not sure they'd do with such big plans, i think this will just be a point made and nothing more done.

The soldiers protesting haven't got pointer sticks at all. They will be unarmed on the streets of UK as always. contrary to general opinion, just because they are soldiers, it doesn't mean they can take all of their weapons out of the armoury to go protest with.

So in that sense, they will be dealt with in the same manner by the police as any other protester. Yes you would hope there would be a little more understanding, after all, many police officers are ex-forces themselves, but otherwise, a protester will get dealt with accordingly. Yes soldiers are trained to fight in combat, but generaly, the average soldier is no more deadly than any civillian who has been pushed far enough. I know it feels good to feel invincible, but lets be realistic here, we're not.

Many on this protest will be have been sat behind a desk for to long, or will be too worried about getting into trouble for theirs or thier family's sake, or just too disciplined to cause any concernable aggro.

I think there is a little too much hope for a "police v army" scenario going on. As i've said before, hopefully the professionalism side will override any thought of this.

Please don't think of this as an attempt to belittle the protest. It is one of the most well deserved protests i can think of. I've served with many men in the past who suddenly had their regiments disbanded, and it's not a nice thing to witness. The army, or your regiment is not just a job to most. It's your life, your family, and they are one of the few people you would happily die for without a second thought.

I just hope that a peaceful march will do the trick. Best of luck with it. Just the medals being thrown over the gates at Downing Street would be a sight to see indeed.

CX.

In times of great need, the blitz spirit returns. While Britain is not under direct threat, an attack on the military is an attack on the general population, aside our minor squabbles we English, Scottish, Welsh and N.Irish are brothers in arms and it was this which forged an empire. A famous quote comes to mind that those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it...corruption is rife in parliament.

What we need is to remove these snakes for treason and deceit against the state....it takes a lot for the British public to get angry but when we are angry...we are a force to be reckoned with no matter what the odds. We are the United Kingdom, we are represented by parliament and currently parliament is NOT representing us at all not ONE bit. This could be our chance, we may never have another one like it.

I noticed this hadn't been posted but the Royal Navy went on strike in the 1931 due to cuts, and is cited as one of the events that led to Britain coming off the gold standard. The strike is known as the Invergordon Mutiny.. en.wikipedia.org...

The power does exist within the rank and file to stand up to our Government over the cuts and to bring about profound change without firing a shot..

Having worked along many branches of our armed services at difficult times and trying circumstances, knowing you guys covered my back back then I know I want to come along and stand beside you now.

Good luck to one and all.

Originally posted by Wulfric
In times of great need, the blitz spirit returns. While Britain is not under direct threat, an attack on the military is an attack on the general population, aside our minor squabbles we English, Scottish, Welsh and N.Irish are brothers in arms and it was this which forged an empire. A famous quote comes to mind that those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it...corruption is rife in parliament.

What we need is to remove these snakes for treason and deceit against the state....it takes a lot for the British public to get angry but when we are angry...we are a force to be reckoned with no matter what the odds. We are the United Kingdom, we are represented by parliament and currently parliament is NOT representing us at all not ONE bit. This could be our chance, we may never have another one like it.

Agreed.

Also, i'm not sure if it's been mentioned in this thread without re-reading every post, but i wonder how many civillians will join this protest? They are directly affected by these cuts, and not all will be thrilled about it.

There will be civillian staff that work for the forces that will be affected, familes of the forces too..i can see the numbers becoming a lot more than initially envisaged with a purely forces content.

CX.

reply to post by CX


I have no doubt that there will be a significant public presence along side the military. They say they are doing this for the good of the economy but doubling the TA and hiring private security firms sounds costly to me...if they wanted to save money we should be out of the middle-east already, that alone would save a good few quid. The military is one area where we cannot afford austerity.....we have all of these bankers raking it in and even more-so than thought with the recent Barclay's scandal while our national security is compromised.

If enough of the public see it like this which I'm sure they do, there will be a significant number.

Me thinks there was many phone calls and emails from mp's to generals
Generals to marshals
Marshals to colonels
Colonels to majors
And so on

Evanb

There must be some mutterings on parade today ?
Possibly some kind of address by a senior officer ?

Anything happened today ?

What about that mp's visit ? Any word on what ( if anything ) happened ?

I said it before - i'll say it again
I WISH I HAD MORE OFFICERS LIKE YOU !

Be sure to keep us posted of the latest developments dude

As a Brit and cousin to 2 serving soldiers, I can only be appalled at the Govt and support any action the forces wish to take.

One of my cousins is coming home in the next week so i'll ask what's been said and how it's being handled.

Good luck with your protest and please don't forget to take your guns and tanks with you


I can't see how people don't notice that every few years the armed forces have a large round of redundancies, then over the next few years the number creep up again after a recruiting drive.

IMO It's a crafty way for the government to get lots of trained military personnel THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY as reservists that they can call up any time !

reply to post by Arbeit


Didnt the scottish regiments get amalgamted though !

I remember that the royal highlanders and the dragoons and the black watch got cut or amalgamted into one unit at some point a couple of years ago !

Werent they ?

Either way , im glad that those who volunteer to defend civilians in times of war are realising that they are fighting the wrong fight and the wrong enemy !

Cut out the enemy within so that we can be free to love those outside !


Good luck to you all who march , stand fast and strong , and remember you represent the people and our nation!

Dein kurzes leben mach unsterblich...good luck

reply to post by CX


This is the problem with the current form of protest in the UK, everyone has their own little protest or strike on Separate days and it can appear that people are only defending their own conditions, when it should be about defending everyones conditions. The police have their own separate protest, as do the Doctors, the nurses and teachers and now the Army. It would be far more effective if they all joined together for one day. They share the same concerns, just in different circumstances.

There's one thing I would love to see...

A police officer, who is ex forces, take off his helmet and join the ranks of the protest.
I wonder how many other police would follow suit seeing as they're getting cut too?

As for privatization is going, there's word down in Devon that the A30 and A38 may be privatised do you'll be paying tolls to use the road..

Also, there is a protest planned in august.. about the 5th i think.. over milk prices from dairy to supermarkets.

A lot is about to happen..

Dairy crisis meeting, July 5 2012On Thursday July 5, the NFU chaired a meeting of leaders from NFU Scotland, NFU Cymru, Tenant Farmers Association (TFA) and Farmers for Action, who came together in Gloucestershire in an industry show of strength after a catastrophic three months for the sector.

The representatives called for all milk price cuts imposed on farmers since April 1 to be restored by August 1.

The unions have also called on farmers to show their strength of feeling by turning out in force at a crisis summit in London on Wednesday, leaving retailers, MPs, processors and the public in no doubt about the scale of the problem.

www.nfuonline.com...

reply to post by EvanB


The British army is soon to be replaced by the mercenary legions of Rothschild and the monarchy.Or should I say ,corporate troops.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by CX

 

This is the problem with the current form of protest in the UK, everyone has their own little protest or strike on Separate days and it can appear that people are only defending their own conditions, when it should be about defending everyones conditions. The police have their own separate protest, as do the Doctors, the nurses and teachers and now the Army. It would be far more effective if they all joined together for one day. They share the same concerns, just in different circumstances.

Again (like the other thread) i agree with this but i do have a problem with combined strike action in that i still do not see it achieving anything at the moment. The reason being, the money has disappeared. Have you seen the latest global growth figures? Around 80% of the world is moving backwards.........including now the (previously powerful) emerging economies. Glad i am not an economist at the moment!

Global dissatisfaction but no cash globally.......wonder where its all gone........

Banksters like the gov privatising as the gov looses control

I support this action 100000000000000000000000%.

I wish you and your fellow service men the best of luck!

PEACE

The capabilities of the British military have already been seriously downgraded with the lack of any operational aircraft carriers.

reply to post by ChrisF231


They have 2.

their are not enough transport aircraft to send reinforcements,

There are more than enough.

Just to be awkward, but the UK hasn't had an operational aircraft carrier since 1986

reply to post by stumason


Nope, even then harriers were more than a match for all other naval jets.

Originally posted by mr-lizard
Indeed. I was one of them. I'm the type of person who believes we need soldiers not wars. Kind of hypocritical maybe, but soldiers should be here to protect us. Not fighting some lost cause in a desert, on the actions of the greedy cabal.

March strong.

Same as that mate.

Was one of the last big marches I ever did..... a kind of apathy/realisation set in after that.... that so many people marching and standing together STILL had no effect.
A sad, sad time.

And yes, totally agree on your point about soldiers.