Olympic Athlete Claims Blacks are superior to Whites

Originally posted by getreadyalready


For now, I think that is exactly correct, but I think the swimmers and classical music preference is largely due to exposure and opportunity

Bull, I have studied classical music most of my adult life. There are plenty of black performers and it's easier for them to get scholarships than whites. They lack a pretty key component-Interest. They do not lack opportunity.

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

If powerlifting were a simple matter of mental inability as you claim, Kaz wouldn't calmly roll frying pans into a ball while giving lectures to children. At 58 years old, without breaking a sweat mind you. Sounds like you are refusing to give credit where it is due.

after further review of medical study in muscle I have to doubt the fast twitch and slow twitch muscles theory.It is my opinion that fast twitch and slow twitch muscle theory is pseudo science, and created to sell pseudo enhancements for athletes and body builders. Anabolism is enhanced by testosterone and HGH.

there are 3 kinds of muscle in the body.
Striated Muscle: skeletal muscles
Smooth Muscle: visceral muscles as in internal organs
Cardiac Muscle: Heart muscle is striated but is smooth in appearance, this muscle cannot be consciously controlled.

Getreadyalready is correct in that it is an athletes ability to harness brain power to use all of the strands of a muscle is a group to have the power.EDIT: think a Braided Steel Cable here for the mental picture

as for the racial claim? I think only our political correctness and fear of Racial Separation prevents us from actually discovering Racial Superiority with regard muscle activity strength and agility , see what I mean?

if not check out the NFL NBA and the boxing ring..

Originally posted by antonia

Originally posted by getreadyalready


For now, I think that is exactly correct, but I think the swimmers and classical music preference is largely due to exposure and opportunity

Bull, I have studied classical music most of my adult life. There are plenty of black performers and it's easier for them to get scholarships than whites. They lack a pretty key component-Interest. They do not lack opportunity.

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edit on 8-7-2012 by antonia because: ?

The scholarship thing is unique to America, and it is a travesty, I agree.

But, they lack interest because they are not exposed to it at early ages like other cultures. There is not a lot of classical music in impoverished areas. Instruments for young people are expensive. Instead they develop things like beatbox and rap, because it doesn't require expensive instruments. They work with what they have available. After beatbox and rap, there are drums, it is fairly easy to build a makeshift drum, and then guitars, and then horns, because pawn shops often have those instruments fairly cheaply.

When they do get a hold of those instruments, they don't have classical instructors available, so instead of classical music, new music is born, Delta Blues, Ragtime Piano, Jazz, etc. The talent is there, just not the training or exposure to the "white" music.

reply to post by rebellender


Outside of the sports you mentioned black people rarely have a presence. Pretty much anything that involves running, is the realm of a black athlete. Beyond running, they have average presence or even below average in other sports.

As far as muscle fiber go, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

Originally posted by getreadyalready


The scholarship thing is unique to America, and it is a travesty, I agree.

But, they lack interest because they are not exposed to it at early ages like other cultures. There is not a lot of classical music in impoverished areas. Instruments for young people are expensive. Instead they develop things like beatbox and rap, because it doesn't require expensive instruments. They work with what they have available. After beatbox and rap, there are drums, it is fairly easy to build a makeshift drum, and then guitars, and then horns, because pawn shops often have those instruments fairly cheaply.

When they do get a hold of those instruments, they don't have classical instructors available, so instead of classical music, new music is born, Delta Blues, Ragtime Piano, Jazz, etc. The talent is there, just not the training or exposure to the "white" music.

No, you don't know what you are talking about. Apart from the string section, most instruments required in classical music are present in a high school marching band. Pawn shops also have those instruments. Furthermore, you don't have to buy a voice. Most cities have a classical music radio station and it's free. There are also scores of charity programs to give kids instruments. It's not a valid excuse. Again-It's interest, most (of all races) people aren't interested in performing classical. There's no glory or ass in it so it's not something most people want to do. Black people may have been denied access years ago, but they are no denied access today. There are many black classical performers and opera singers.

Most true classical music instruction occurs at the college level, so they do have access as long as they have developed basic skill.

reply to post by antonia


I'm halfway agreeing with you. It is interest, but the interest is low due to the exposure being low. Sure, there are probably classical stations available, but I don't listen to them, and the culture in impoverished areas does not make it popular to listen to such things. And even the marching bands in impoverished areas are playing pop music, not classical.

I have to admit, I'm pretty naive when it comes to classical music, but in my opinion, to enjoy it, you have to have an appreciation for the arrangement, and the composer, and the intricate layers. It really isn't that entertaining to just listen to blindly without the pertinent background information that makes it interesting. I don't enjoy it, and I don't suspect that very many young people enjoy it, but some study it at the behest of their family or culture. It is an interest that is passed down from generation to generation, and it isn't very popular in the black cultures unless a family member is already involved somehow. Just my naive opinion though, I could definitely be wrong.

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by rebellender

 

Outside of the sports you mentioned black people rarely have a presence.

did I? .

As far as muscle fiber go, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

its an opinion backed by science and research, but let me ask you, where and when did you see fast twitch slow twitch science and who brought it to MSM?

opinion or science, you make the educated call on that one

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by antonia

 

And even the marching bands in impoverished areas are playing pop music, not classical.

Of course not, classical requires a greater degree of skill than the average teenager has. Those skills aren't taught in the western world until one goes to college unless they are some rich snot who can afford an extensive private conservatory education (or perhaps a child prodigy, but they generally burn out early anyway). Most people don't start playing classical until college unless they play the piano or study voice.

I don't enjoy it, and I don't suspect that very many young people enjoy it, but some study it at the behest of their family or culture. It is an interest that is passed down from generation to generation, and it isn't very popular in the black cultures unless a family member is already involved somehow.

I enjoy it personally and have studied classical voice most of my adult life (and no one else in my family cares for it). My first voice teacher was a black woman and I have seen plenty of black performers. Condi Rice actually plays classical piano and studied it in college.


I have serious problems with people making musical ability into racial or genetic arguments. People really do read this stuff and assume they can't do it because they weren't born with a certain gene or they are the wrong color and it's just BS. Anyone can do it if they apply themselves.

reply to post by Hess88


What is with the "Hess88" nickname.

It sounds nazi-esque.

I don't see why this is so shocking, how can one believe in evolution and yet believe that differently evolves groups are all exactly the same? you only have to look at black dominated American sports and athletics as a whole to see proof of this.

The thing that gets me is that if a white person says that white people are on the whole smarter and point to the number of white people in intellectually challenging roles they would be crucified by blacks as racists.

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by rebellender

 

Outside of the sports you mentioned black people rarely have a presence. Pretty much anything that involves running, is the realm of a black athlete. Beyond running, they have average presence or even below average in other sports.

As far as muscle fiber go, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

Your comment is why discussion of differences between races is not a good place to go.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by blueorder

 

yep, and whites are better wrestlers, swimmers, creators of classical music etc

For now, I think that is exactly correct, but I think the swimmers and classical music preference is largely due to exposure and opportunity, while the wrestling thing is something else altogether, and discussing my ideas on why whites might dominate wrestling would get dicey. I will say that I have two black friends that are Olympic Judo and Roman-Greco competitors (one is a medalist), so black people can be competitive in the sport, but I'll also say I think I can kick both their asses (in a fight, not on the mat), and it has nothing to do with skill or muscle makeup, it is a mindset of winning at all costs.

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would strongly disagree on the swimming and classical music thing- it appears to be more genetic rather than "opportunity"

reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady


It's tacky, but it's true. If black people can talk about how superior they are in sports or other fields then whites should be able to point to overall higher test scores, grades and general representation in academic fields as evidence of superior intellect.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Personally, I don't buy either argument.

Originally posted by blueorder



would strongly disagree on the swimming and classical music thing- it appears to be more genetic rather than "opportunity"

Oh, have you identified a music gene?

Originally posted by antonia

Originally posted by blueorder



would strongly disagree on the swimming and classical music thing- it appears to be more genetic rather than "opportunity"

Oh, have you identified a music gene?

edit on 8-7-2012 by antonia because: opps

I thought music is another area where black people have excelled in.

I bet if classical violin became hip in the street, it would be revolutionized.

I was a part of a group that was trying to start a tennis club for kids in Tottenham to get black British kids to train in tennis so we could win Wimbledon for a change.

Let's hope Murray wins but I doubt it.

reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady


All races excel in music, all races play it.

reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady


Generalizations may not be pollitically correct, but they exist in the world for good reason.

Originally posted by mc1km
you only have to look at black dominated American sports and athletics as a whole to see proof of this.

You see, that's where it's wrong in the fact that it's black dominated "AMERICAN" sports. NFL is pretty domestic. NBA not far off.

When you are talking about world sports though, it's a completely different story. Soccer is by far the worlds biggest sport. A soccer players runs on average 8 miles a game. Soccer is not dominated by blacks. There was no black person in the last soccer World Cup final, and only one black person in the European Cup Final. This is a huge sport played by everyone.

Rugby, one of the biggest sports in the world. Again. Not a domestic sport. Blacks do not dominate that whatsoever. I think South Africa are the world champions, a country with a minority white population, but world champions at rugby with a majority white team.

You need different attributes for different sports. American Football players require strength and speed, but hardly any stamina. The average Rugby players runs 5 miles a game. The average NFL player doesn't even run what... half a mile?

The other thing is that athletics is not taken seriously by other countries like it is in the US. Other countries simply to not have the infrastructure or care. It's no coincidence that the host nation has a massive increase in gold medals, because they actually improve and fund their infrastructure. If it was a level playing field, you would see gold medalists from everywhere.

reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady


This girl could make it hip in the street!!

reply to post by getreadyalready


That is subjective, frankly...that was just cheesy, overwrought and melodramatic.