False flag method Olympics 2012 update.

One thing does occur to me.

The event that seems to be pointed at, might not be in this country. I know this is a bit out of left field, but just because the Olympics are here, it doesn't mean to say that the event itself will be.

I personally think it will be, it would seem the most obvious place, but then, there are other alternatives I am sure.

Just throwing that out there.

Stu... have you looked up when the Granddaughters event finishes? Is it before the 3rd/4th?

We still have 4/5 days to go. In fact, I'll go and have a look...

Back...

I can't help but laugh at the time she got for the cross country event

The 31-year-old Phillips finished well under the pace time with 9 minutes 55.11 seconds, cheered on wildly by thousands of fans _ some of them royal _ in the bucolic Greenwich Park, London's oldest royal park.

The best I could find was the following...

On Sunday, the Queen's granddaughter, Zara Phillips, made her debut at the Games -- on horseback -- to compete in the Dressage portion of the Games' three-day equestrian competition.

Unless she is taking part in any other Equestrian events, she'll be finished before the date. I'm not really a sport fan, so looking through all these schedules drives me bonkers lol.

reply to post by Wifibrains


Oh, trust me, I've been laughing at you lot for years.. I've lost count of the amount of false flags that have never happened, the amount of times WW3 was supposed to kick off and nothing.. The common theme amongst most who believe such nonsense is a blissful ignorance on how the world really works.

But, specifically I will wait until the games are over to start this particular chuckle.. Give a man enough rope and all that...

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by Wifibrains

 

Oh, trust me, I've been laughing at you lot for years.. I've lost count of the amount of false flags that have never happened, the amount of times WW3 was supposed to kick off and nothing.. The common theme amongst most who believe such nonsense is a blissful ignorance on how the world really works.

But, specifically I will wait until the games are over to start this particular chuckle.. Give a man enough rope and all that...

I've never stated this IS going to happen, it's a possibility and that's fact. You are saying nothing is going to happen which is also a possibility but not fact. Yet

So if nothing happens, I won't be wrong as it still could have been a possibility. Your to quick to believe others believe this will happen, that's not the case in this thread, it's to raise awareness of the possibility.

Don't tell me coorperations don't have a hand in how this world is run. And that these coorperations are not trying to overthrow and deminish local produce and bissness and buy enough up to take total control because this IS how the world works at the moment. and no sign of stopping. I do know.

I'll do what ever I can to stop this under a sytem that is run by coorperations greed. Equality and freedom is my goal. So shoot me squire.

Even if it all turns out to be BS it was for a good cause, you bow down and put your life in your governments/world leaders hands if you think they give a turd about you personally, but you could not be more wrong. You are a number in a system mate, that's all you are to them. The amount of numbers in the system keeps it going and they have the ultimate control. That's all they/it (the system) cares about.

This conspiracey stuff is all about intelligent anorchy. Not because there is totally disrespect for authority, but because the authority itself is corrupt. How can you trust they will do you no harm when they are so corrupt? You are nothing to them.

So join the fight for real freedom and expose the bastards instead of trying to suppress the people trying to do so. You help them by doing this if the plan is global domination.

Questions:
did you join ats to find the truth?

Are your government/leaders honest?

Have we been manipulated?

Think carefully now. I have more questions for you and you will contradict t yourself.

reply to post by Wifibrains


I always laugh to myself when people, when challenged about their crackpot theories, resort to the personal attacks and the black and white "well if you don't believe this then you must believe everything the Government says", or worse yet, "your a Government disinfo agent".

In the same way I never said you personally believed anything, I also never said I trusted or believed in my Government, that is something you are trying to shoehorn into this thread in a desperate attempt to make yourself feel/look superior.

Simply because I do not believe for one moment that there will be some "false flag" (based upon the many thousands of exact same predictions that have come and gone on ATS), that doesn't mean I am not aware corporations pull strings, politicians are corrupt etc. It is rather disingenuous of you to try and imply that, actually.

But to answer your rather random questions:


did you join ats to find the truth?

What do you mean, "the truth"?

Such an open question... And why is my membership here always called into question simply because I do not believe in this particular nuance of conspiracy theory?

Are your government/leaders honest?

Of course not, not all the time anyway. They are, after all, human. They will only tell the truth when it suits them, the same as anyone else. That's like asking if bears crap in the woods.

Have we been manipulated?

Of course we have, everyone manipulates everyone else. You are trying to manipulate me now, you've said as much! That said, it is again such an open question...

If you're trying to be clever, I suggest you up your game.

Oh, I'd remove that censor circumvention if I were you, which itself is a breach of T&C's not to mention the offensive comment it conveys.

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by Wifibrains

 

I always laugh to myself when people, when challenged about their crackpot theories, resort to the personal attacks and the black and white "well if you don't believe this then you must believe everything the Government says", or worse yet, "your a Government disinfo agent".

In the same way I never said you personally believed anything, I also never said I trusted or believed in my Government, that is something you are trying to shoehorn into this thread in a desperate attempt to make yourself feel/look superior.

Simply because I do not believe for one moment that there will be some "false flag" (based upon the many thousands of exact same predictions that have come and gone on ATS), that doesn't mean I am not aware corporations pull strings, politicians are corrupt etc. It is rather disingenuous of you to try and imply that, actually.

But to answer your rather random questions:


did you join ats to find the truth?

What do you mean, "the truth"?

Such an open question... And why is my membership here always called into question simply because I do not believe in this particular nuance of conspiracy theory?

Are your government/leaders honest?

Of course not, not all the time anyway. They are, after all, human. They will only tell the truth when it suits them, the same as anyone else. That's like asking if bears crap in the woods.

Have we been manipulated?

Of course we have, everyone manipulates everyone else. You are trying to manipulate me now, you've said as much! That said, it is again such an open question...

If you're trying to be clever, I suggest you up your game.

Oh, I'd remove that censor circumvention if I were you, which itself is a breach of T&C's not to mention the offensive comment it conveys.

"you lot" but not me personally? C'mon mate.

And "well if you don't believe this then you must believe everything the Government says", or worse yet, "your a Government disinfo agent". Is you shoehorning the thread, I never said that. You did.

Superior who's flashing the coat of arms?

So you are saying false flags are false? Impossible? Or you just don't believe it will happen. That's just speculation, no? Same here!

"It is rather disingenuous of you to try and imply that, actually."
I'm not implying that, that's the impression you gave, I don't know you. Apologies if I read it wrong.


Q.1, truth you know, TRUTH. Not lies. Im not questioning your membership I asked did you join ats to find the truth, meaning truth.

Further to Q 2... The awnser to a bear crapping in the woods is yes, or is it not really? Or not all the time anyway?
Anyway I think I get it.

So, are some involved in a agenda for the new world order or not?

Q3, pretty simple question but you made a meal of it. Forget about me. I'm not trying to manipulate you. I'm talking about your education/indoctrination to support the system you know to be corrupt. Yes or no will do. Instead of trying to be Clever.

I'll change the censor to another word more fitting just for you. Sir.

Originally posted by Wifibrains
"you lot" but not me personally? C'mon mate.

It was a general, catch all comment matey, you took it to be a personal reference when I was directing my comment at the group, as this is a thread full of people claiming to know that some hideousness is imminent.

Originally posted by Wifibrains
And "well if you don't believe this then you must believe everything the Government says", or worse yet, "your a Government disinfo agent". Is you shoehorning the thread, I never said that. You did.

Nope and if you read my quote correctly, I never said you said that specific thing yourself. I was merely pointing out that this is the standard response. There are always more than two choices, whereas I often only get presented with the choice between believing wholesale what people on here say, or I am somehow in cahoots with HM Government.

Originally posted by Wifibrains
Superior

who's flashing the coat of arms?

It's got nothing to do with being superior. I'm just proud to be English. Would you deny a Scot, Welshman or even a Frenchman the same right? Or is it only bad because I am English?

Originally posted by Wifibrains
So you are saying false flags are false? Impossible? Or you just don't believe it will happen. That's just speculation, no? Same here!

Nope, I am actually quite well aware of historical "false flag" type scenarios. From the Gulf of Tonkin, to pearl Harbour, to the (never implemented Operation Northwood). I just don't believe this will happen based on some wild and crazy nonsense posted on ATS. After all, we've had pretty much the same thing posted for years on ATS and this has nothing new, it's just been re-branded for London 2012.

Originally posted by Wifibrains
"It is rather disingenuous of you to try and imply that, actually."
I'm not implying that, that's the impression you gave, I don't know you. Apologies if I read it wrong.

Well, you did imply that, whether you meant to or not, so I felt it needed clearing up.

Originally posted by Wifibrains
Q.1, truth you know, TRUTH. Not lies. Im not questioning your membership I asked did you join ats to find the truth, meaning truth.

Still not really elaborating what you think the truth is. Anyhoo, I came here some 8 years ago because I have an avid interest in UFO phenomenon. I have since branched out into other topics because, let's face it, there isn't much to say about UFO's that hasn't been said already.

Originally posted by Wifibrains
Further to Q 2... The awnser to a bear crapping in the woods is yes, or is it not really? Or not all the time anyway?
Anyway I think I get it.

So, are some involved in a agenda for the new world order or not?

That's a bit of a leap, isn't it? The question was "Are your government/leaders honest?".. now it has morphed into whether they are planning some nefarious NWO..In short, if that is the question, no. I do not believe there is an over-arching conspiracy, simply because they had ample opportunity to usher in a one world Government decades ago and actually just made the World more fragmented instead. It pays to know history mate when looking at the present.

Originally posted by Wifibrains
Are your government/leaders honest
Q3, pretty simple question but you made a meal of it. Forget about me. I'm not trying to manipulate you. I'm talking about your education/indoctrination to support the system you know to be corrupt. Yes or no will do. Instead of trying to be Clever.

If you weren't trying to manipulate me, then why say "Think carefully now. I have more questions for you and you will contradict t yourself.".. I wasn't born yesterday mate....

And it is a bloody stupid question, like I pointed out Humans manipulate other Human's all the time! Simply asking if we are being manipulated is like asking if we breath Oxygen. If you want a more precise answer, ask a more precise question. I won't be baited.

I can't believe people actually thought London was going to get nuked.

reply to post by stumason



Now who's getting black n white?
I'm not going to carry on an argument with you, simply because it's a waste of both our times. You came to this thread to ridicule at paranoia. Nice.
I'm not paranoid, I'm aware of a covert plan for a NWO, yes it failed back then... So they gave up? Yeah righty ho.
Sorry, I'm still sounding condescending.
(change tone)
It's being done another way now. And is proberly further ahead than you or I could imagine. Think about it for just a bit stu. What's after cash when it goes(and it will) cards?, eheh. Chips my friend. This is the future of the world as it exists now. And if it gets there we loose. Simple, we will be at the mercy of the sytem with few pushing the buttons.
If you Don't live your life the way you are required to, you can be dropped out of society just like that. Cash is our last hold on controlling of our lives and they control that. We need to at least be able to survive without cash but it's niegh on impossible. Why?
I did not ask for this, don't agree withh it and still can't opt out. The system is the enemy not other people. This is the only way I can see to fight it, by exposing the lengths they could, and have gone too., So others become aware of it and see it for what it could be if not kept in check. Give them an inch n all that. You know yourself it's been done before, the methods will be upgraded with the times.
I see it as we don't inherit this planet from our parents, we borrow it from our children. And I'm conciouse of the way it could be going for them. They went too fast back then. They know that, implementing the plan over generations it will go less noticed. Or so they thought.
All the evidence fits together in my op and I've presented it the way I saw it. More kept coming and I added it along with others and lots more came to light. Its bizzare to say the least, but I would not put It down to paranoia. It's there if you look. And it's there if you ignor it. It's there. What it all means exactly if nothing happens will be the next mystery. I'll be delving into spirituality and psychology for awnsers.
Please don't jump on the band wagon of ridiculing those trying to expose and protect, although its scary stuff, if like me, the intentions are honourable. We would not want the boy who cried wolf to play out over a false flag scenario.
I too am English and proud, with a Scottish English family coat of arms. Shield, red cross, helmet and shells if I remember correctly. And am dissapointed at myself for throwing that in your face. Sorry.
I only joined this site to alert to this possible threat to raise awareness. The ship is on my doorstep, I do not want it to blow. I don't wish to be right on this trust me.

reply to post by Wifibrains


Hmm, you seem confused...

Not quite sure where in my previous post I was being black and white about anything... And for someone not wanting to continue the argument, there was an awful lot said afterwards...

Anyhoo, in a nutshell you say you are aware of this plan. How?

The reason I ask is pretty much everything you said after this point is, word for word, the Alex Jones mantra. Now there's a guy who lost his marbles a long time ago.

Now, don't get me wrong, I am sure there are shadowy groups, cabals and cliques pulling strings behind the scenes, but I don't for one moment believe there is a single, over-arching leadership and the groups are all vying for control, power and money. Pretty much the same that has happened all throughout history, so this is nothing new. I also don't buy that all of these groups are necessarily "evil", greedy perhaps but not evil.

Bottom line is, the system that enables these groups relies on us being confident to go out and spend, travel or otherwise engage in economic activity. Killing us off, oppressing us, launching bio-weapons or nukes or anything else runs counter to the underpinning economic model that these groups need to survive.

One of the key things that tells me that this NWO thing is just an Alex Jones wet-dream is it is nearly always American-centric, which means he ignores history. Only 70 odd years ago the UK controlled 1/4 of the planets land, 1/4 of the planets population and had one of the worlds most powerful Navies. The Empire was broken up not long after the War, when if they wanted to introduce a One World Government that would have been the prime time.

Instead, at the behest of the US so they could gain access to the markets, the UN was created and in the UN charter was the decolonisation clauses, which broke up the Empires which otherwise would have enabled such an NWO plan to be implemented very easily. It is also worth noting that in the 50's, France approached the UK to form a Union between the two Empires under the British monarchy. This was rejected by the UK.

All golden opportunities for such a thing and all let to pass by for what amounted to petty national interest, not some uber-global conspiracy.

Originally posted by stumason
Oh, trust me, I've been laughing at you lot for years..

Aaah so the feelings mutual then. How nice.

Did the maidens and goats in the opening ceremony get you guys all "Olympics Ho!" or what old chap?

For a mason to ridicule anyone, for ideas or beliefs that seem strange, is a stretch of the ridiculous, you know what i mean?

Okay, not trying to be contrary here but,
Is it ouside the realm of possibility that if something does occur at the olympics it could be perpetrated by actual muslim extremists?
I am by no means saying a false flag is out of the question, just wondering how many people believe a false flag would be the only possibility

reply to post by stumason


That just about puts this site to bed.

No offence but your right. if the NWO had an agenda, they already missed the boat.

Unless it wasn't the right time, where the planets are in the correct alignement or something.

Which is probably the case......

Originally posted by glasshouse
Okay, not trying to be contrary here but,
Is it ouside the realm of possibility that if something does occur at the olympics it could be perpetrated by actual muslim extremists?
I am by no means saying a false flag is out of the question, just wondering how many people believe a false flag would be the only possibility

It's a very good question.
The lack of actual threat from "muslim extremist terrorism" is surprising. Why have none of the "terror threats" been aimed at specific people or organisations? London bombing: transport system. Ditto for Spain. Yes there are credible threats sometimes, but 10 downing street? Or anywhere important? Or anyone important?
The answer is that the threat is overhyped. Just like 911 was really unlikely if only because of NORAD, you cannot hijack a plane without them knowing instantly. TPTB are reading your emails, listening to your phone calls, tracking you on cameras ... they will catch you.
Sure it is possible, sure it is a valid target. But the target is you, as an average citizen, not TPTB, which is who any extremists would target. Small detail, but seriously think:
You're an arab extremist in london with a bomb ... where do you go?
Police station or pub?
If you just said train station ... then you're alCIAda.

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by Wifibrains

 

Hmm, you seem confused...

Not quite sure where in my previous post I was being black and white about anything... And for someone not wanting to continue the argument, there was an awful lot said afterwards...

Anyhoo, in a nutshell you say you are aware of this plan. How?

The reason I ask is pretty much everything you said after this point is, word for word, the Alex Jones mantra. Now there's a guy who lost his marbles a long time ago.

Now, don't get me wrong, I am sure there are shadowy groups, cabals and cliques pulling strings behind the scenes, but I don't for one moment believe there is a single, over-arching leadership and the groups are all vying for control, power and money. Pretty much the same that has happened all throughout history, so this is nothing new. I also don't buy that all of these groups are necessarily "evil", greedy perhaps but not evil.

Bottom line is, the system that enables these groups relies on us being confident to go out and spend, travel or otherwise engage in economic activity. Killing us off, oppressing us, launching bio-weapons or nukes or anything else runs counter to the underpinning economic model that these groups need to survive.

One of the key things that tells me that this NWO thing is just an Alex Jones wet-dream is it is nearly always American-centric, which means he ignores history. Only 70 odd years ago the UK controlled 1/4 of the planets land, 1/4 of the planets population and had one of the worlds most powerful Navies. The Empire was broken up not long after the War, when if they wanted to introduce a One World Government that would have been the prime time.

Instead, at the behest of the US so they could gain access to the markets, the UN was created and in the UN charter was the decolonisation clauses, which broke up the Empires which otherwise would have enabled such an NWO plan to be implemented very easily. It is also worth noting that in the 50's, France approached the UK to form a Union between the two Empires under the British monarchy. This was rejected by the UK.

All golden opportunities for such a thing and all let to pass by for what amounted to petty national interest, not some uber-global conspiracy.

I'm not confused, you are if it seems that way. I stopped myself after a couple lines in, anything written after (tone change) was not meant to sound argumentative.

How? I opened my eyes. It's not hidden, some just can't see it.

to watch others suffer, while stockpiling Wealth in my eyes is evil. But you may call it greedy. Might help your conscience.

The sytem is set up to protect and help the elite group. Certain Laws are introduced to protect the system, and nothing to do with protecting the people. I'm not a fan of Alex jones, now that is fearmongering, though I do think there is a agenda behind his work that is intelligent anorchy.

Yes 70 odd yrs ago Britain did run 3/4 of the world, I don't agree with the way we took over back then, makes me not proud to be English. But funny how we started giving it all back once nukes where invented, and a NEW WORLD ORDER was born ay!

You seem inetigent, and like you know your history, but. It's all mainstream so you only know what they want you to know, you don't trust them, but trust the history what they have taught you is truth? Would it be fair to say you seem confused?

"Bottom line is, the system that enables these groups relies on us being confident to go out and spend, travel or otherwise engage in economic activity. Killing us off, oppressing us, launching bio-weapons or nukes or anything else runs counter to the underpinning economic model that these groups need to survive."

So exposing them is the only way to beat them, others will become aware and take their own action, take away the giants support, it falls. Prop him up he will just squash you.

Originally posted by harryhaller
For a mason to ridicule anyone, for ideas or beliefs that seem strange, is a stretch of the ridiculous, you know what i mean?

I do like it when people make assumptions...

I am not a Freemason, I am a Mason. Much better in my opinion.. I'm sure that will confuse you though...

And Wifibrains, I'll get back to you later. Haven't the time right now to give you the answer you deserve.

reply to post by stumason


Righty ho, see you later than I may just not read it to waste your time.

reply to post by Wifibrains


If you're going to be like that, I won't bother. I thought we were having an adult discussion...

See you around.

reply to post by stumason


Sweet you only came to ridicule anyway, bye bye.

I don't actualy like to be rude... It makes me feel bad. But sometimes you must fight fire with fire. No hard feeling here stu. You just see your world different to the way I see mine. If your comment was not a heads up for a grilling, well it sure sounded that way.

I hope this banter hasn't stopped people from going back a page or two to look at the Florence and the Machine information that was posted up...

Worth a look if you missed it...

Some guy on youtube (reputable source I know) is saying that everyone around him is feeling ill, and complaining of headaches. He is in Hampshire, about 50 miles out of London. Anyone else know of anything like this? Or seen anything anywhere?

Just interested...