False flag method Olympics 2012 update.

Originally posted by denver22

Originally posted by saladfingers123456
I'll be glad if nothing happens. I'm wanting to get married to my girl, maybe have a kid

A tip for you my freind

1 shun the charlatans.
2 get married
3 have babies
4 have fun.

peace...

I appreciate the sentiment, and it is nice to see everyone happy.

But I think there has been a misunderstanding here. My plans haven't changed. I'm not living in fear. I'm not afraid or worried about people making predictions... my mind is a little stronger than that.

I go about my life, just as normal, if nothing happens, then it will continue on being normal.

But, I don't just reject things based upon being deceived by others. That is a very odd stance in my view. If someone is saying something has legs, I'll research it myself. That is what has happened here. I listened to some other people, and their findings had legs. Their findings weren't without some sort of basis.

From there I begin to research myself, checking their facts, and then looking deeper. I take no ones word at face value. I check. Make my own opinions. I don't let previous experience taint my view of new ideas.

I'm glad you all seem to be happy, and I'm glad you think that life is going to just roll on and on, with nothing major happening. I'm glad you have made your own choices in this matter.

But personally, I can't agree with any of your positions. They seem rather closed, lacking a passion for true personal investigation, and tainted by letting others dictate your opinions. You shouldn't believe anyone, you should look for yourselves.
In my personal opinion, non of you three have actually researched this topic at all beyond the surface information gathered by others. I think that if you had, you wouldn't be so dismissive. But like I say, that is the impression you give me. It is your choice... and I'm happy that you are happy.

But it might be worth just breaking down what you are telling me in the above posts.

Denver22.
You ask "Will you fall for it again"?

Fall for what? My own opinion? My own personal investigation? My own reasoning? Who exactly am I falling for?
You keep saying things like that, and bringing up these "charlatans". It suggests that you have believed others over and over again, and then nothing happened, and you blame them for it. That is madness. You mention "Sheeple"... when you are actually describing your own actions as explained above. If you'd checked their facts, studied up and formed your own opinion, the only person you need to rely on or blame is yourself.

So in answer to that question... I will trust my own opinion every time, and I will only ever curse myself if I listened to someone and purely took their word as truth. That to me is foolish and madness.

I have to say again.. my plans remain in place, but I am ready and prepared for possible events that through my own research suggest that I might have to alter said plans. That is being wise... not carpet ignorance.

Freeborn

You seem like a nice guy, I don't question that. Unlike Denver, you don't seem to reject ideas based upon previous experience. However, you did say the following, and I can sympathise completely...

This non-stop avalanche of Olympic doom and gloom predictions has simply alienated many of us from the whole subject and possibly discredited some of the theories worthy of more serious consideration.

But through over saturation, you have withdrawn from looking. Rejecting what is out there because you feel overwhelmed by others shouting about it. It is one of the reasons why I have tried as much as possible to keep much of the information I have found in this one single thread. It is why it is 23 pages long.

I understand honestly. But again, it isn't a basis for an opinion. It sounds more like a streak of stubborness lol, and I mean that in the most kindest of ways. Like if a building was on fire, and hundreds were shouting at you to "get out, you're gonna die!" and you just stand there and say "Stop shouting!, I'm just gonna stay here because you lot are doing my head in!" without actually looking around and finding the building burning down behind you.

I kind of think that some of you guys who have been on here too long, and may have been over exposed. Maybe lost perspective a little? Seen too many people crying wolf?

Anyway, again, I'm not trying to be horrible, but I'm just trying to understand where you are coming from, because it makes no sense to me as a rational thinker. Information starts with your own research, and information gathered by others, that you check, and then add or dismiss to your own. Surely that is the only way to approach these things?

Stumason.

You display the same. Law of averages, 300 predictions, one of them will be right in the end. That is just listening to others again. At what point do you look for yourself? You must discern what seems realistic, and has legs to stand on.

Cont…
Hundreds of people do make predictions, but how many of them seem to have any realistic basis? Not many, so you can dismiss them…
That will account for around 290 of the 300. The 10 that are left, however do have some basis. Conditions seem right to support the idea. There seem to be a thread of facts that fit the concept.
That is when you pull the thread, follow it.
That is what I have found with the Olympic threat. It isn’t without basis. The conditions for such an event seem realistic and present. There is something not quite right about the games here in Britain. In fact, from investigation, it goes into a much bigger picture. But you can’t ever see it without looking. If you rely on the information from others, and aren’t willing to put the time in, then you won’t see it. I’ve presented a mere fraction of my findings on this thread.
I’ve put many many hours, probably days/weeks into researching this. I don’t expect you to believe me. I don’t even want you to believe me. I want you to look for yourself if anything. What I don’t want is a pat on the head, and tell me to “shun the charlatans”, or be told that I am a “sheeple”, nor ridiculous. It is insulting, as much as I am sure it comes from a good place.
Opinion is fine, but it doesn’t need discussion. I even feel that writing all of this is a waste of time and space, but I have to address what you have written.

Personally, I’d prefer to see a thread with just the sharing of ideas and information, not just personal opinion on the state of mind of other people, which is what I see here. Yes Denver, anyone can have their say on here, but I’m asking, trying to ask in the kindest possible way, that it remains constructive. This entire page brings nothing at all to the subject at hand, with the exception of all of your personal doubts on the matter, as I say, based upon previous experience, and NOT knowledge of what has been presented in the 22 pages previous.
Anyway, this isn’t an argument. I’m not trying to make enemies… I am just trying to be straight with you based upon what you have said.
I still hope nothing happens, but I still have a decent level of expectation, because I have studied.
If nothing happens, it will not change the status of anything I have found to date, and the coincidences that defy normality. There is still something very wrong about these Olympic games.

And I'll say it before someone tries to hang me...

I am not perfect either.. I'm sure I am guilty of some of the things I have said, somewhere at some point.. but it isn't what I strive for. I make an effort to try and stay on subject.

Opinion based upon research is very different to opinion that has no basis, if that makes sense?

Anyways, much love. I hope I'm wrong, and you guys will be ok whatever happens (if anything)

Originally posted by saladfingers123456
There is still something very wrong about these Olympic games.

What's wrong with it my freind?

reply to post by saladfingers123456


I'd like to think that I haven't been here for too long and that I don't dismiss things out of hand without giving them due consideration - but I think I may have become a bit more cynical and sceptical in my outlook.

I'll consider almost anything if offered with well thought out and reasoned arguements or supportive evidence but far too often all I see is speculation and 'what if' scenario's.

You also have to bear in mind that many of us 'long term' members really have seen it all before and have had the arguements many times in the past.
What some may find new and refreshing is very much yesterdays news to us.

Hope that doesn't make me sound like some sort of old duffer - that's the last thing I'd ever want to be thought of.

I must admit - you do seem to attempt to put your viewpoint across in a well written, respectful and considered manner.

Your points are noted.

ETA.
Exactly what is it that you think is wrong with these games?

And it is far better to have an opinion, regardless of what that opinion is, than have no opinion at all as unfortunately far too many people seem to have.

Scratch one ...

Makes it almost 100% certain the agenda is us being played for something ...

Conspiracies abound!!

Denver, do you really want me to shorten down weeks of research into a single post? It isn't any little detail, it is the whole tapestry. It is why I have been encouraging others to look for quite a while, because it isn't something that can be served up on a plate. At this point, it is a bit late to explain.

Thank you for the considered responses, and thank you for the considered thoughts Freeborn. If you notice, I've been on here as long as you have But not much has brought me to comment for quite a long time. Maybe that speaks of my feelings on this matter.

Anyway, there isn't much to say at this point. It is really just popcorn time. If nothing happens, well life goes on, awesome.

But just for fun.. and to poke fun at it all, I just made this... I'm sure it means nothing.

I hope...

Oh and it is the 800 meters at 8-35 (3+5= 8) so 8 8 8... hahaha.

Though I have to say, if you have watched much of the UK olympics coverage, I've heard the name Jessica Ennis thousands of times. Watched them ask everyone over and over "What does Jessica Ennis mean to you?"

Very weird... feels like she is being made a deity. But, I'm sure it means nothing. Very annoying though. I'm sure she is great, but the BBC have gone overboard. Very odd. Obsessive.

But she has been at the centre of all of the Olympic promotion here in the UK. Perhaps a detail missed...

BA puts huge painting of Jessica Ennis on Heathrow flight path

Shrug

I started this thread with what I thought was enough evidence to present it here on ats. That was all in the op. but since then from about page 6 something started to unfold backed with links and information for reasoning on where ever this thread was going. Nothing has been wildly speculated, or prophesied.

I started the thread to raise awareness on the possibility. Because there where subtle little signs that made me turn my head.if nothing happens, that's great. I could not be more happy. I never said it would. But much connections suggested it could, and they just kept rolling in... For 20 odd pages! It's all here in the thread.

I'm just glad I raised the awareness on the issue in the op, that was my only goal. (not just the ship, everything)

So anyone and everyone who participated, I'd like to thank. If it was a waste of time me staring this thread, I've no regrets, my intentions where honourable, and ats was a medium for me to get the message out. Thankyou.

I did see some esoteric symbolism in the opening ceremonies, what that means I don't know. I can only interpret it my own way, but it was there. More than just a few different things pointed towards the 3/4th aug and its not over yet. So I sopposed tomorrow, whatever happens, we can start to wind this thread down. Was anyone wrong? I don't think so. Something strange is happening still. What? Idk.

reply to post by Wifibrains


Agree absolutely. IF nothing happens, because as they say, the show isn't over til the fat lady sings... then I have learnt so much... so very much, that the journey has been worth it. Met some very cool people.

All good. But I'm not going to sit comfortable on my chair until these games are firmly over, and everyone has gone home (ideally without illness!!!).

The 3rd/4th dates... well, that is a lesson learnt. But like you say Wif, still a few hours left. But it seems like nothing is going to happen. Fingers crossed.

I also don't discount the possibility that maybe it is all about positive energy, bringing everyone together, making masses of positive energy and changing the world. You never know. Not sure I believe that though lol, but it's a nice thought. The world can change with enough goodness in it. There certainly seemed a lot of happy people this evening

Time will tell all.

Feeling thankful that this day is almost over. But, as I said earlier, I can't just put aside everything I've found. Though if nothing happens in the next half hour, I'll be reassessing what I've been looking at, and how.

But one thing that just came up as I was reading the news for the rest of the World...

It is the anniversary of the Hiroshima nuclear bombing by Little Boy on the 6th... and Fat Man on the 9th.
I hadn't realised that they were dropped in August. Doubt it has any bearing on anything, but given the nuclear event at the Olympics displayed in the Spooks:Code 9 program, I thought it was an interesting link/timing, as the only nuclear weapons to be used against people.

Like I say, I wont be sitting comfortable in my seat until these games are done and dusted. Specific dates are always going to be fraught with the possibility of being wrong. I'll only be saying "I was wrong" when it is all over and gone, with nothing having happened.

The flood aspect is the bit that has really stood out through all of this. So keeping an eye on the weather systems more than anything else. Maybe not something to set off WW3, but something to knock out the money centre of the UK. Financial collapse. Some pretty heavy weather systems are due to head our way over the coming week.
But hey.. see what happens huh

reply to post by saladfingers123456

Feeling thankful that this day is almost over. But, as I said earlier, I can't just put aside everything I've found. Though if nothing happens in the next half hour, I'll be reassessing what I've been looking at, and how.

I had to go back and look at the OP, because I could've sworn you called it for the closing ceremonies. That's when I have been expecting something to happen all along.

The closing ceremonies are on 8/12, during which time Muse will be performing their song with the "light the fuse" line.

reply to post by coyotepoet


I didn't join the thread until about page 5 or 6. Missed that!

Something else just came to light, which I'd missed in another thread too...

Emergency crews stage Tube terror attack drill

Officials from bodies including Cobra, the top-level government committee which sits during national emergencies, were told to treat the incident as if it were happening on the Olympics days of August 8 and 9.

Well... at least there isn't a history of training exercises playing out in real life! ...oooh.

The following picture is for Denver. You asked me "what was wrong with it?" refering to my opinion about the games.

In case you missed this thread, here is an official poster for the games...
Before you comment that it might be a joke to mess with conspiracy theorists... I do this kind of work for a living. Big bodies like this do not play jokes. Everything goes through official channels, and a lot of time and thought goes into designs. If something is out of place, they pull you up on it straight away. This is there by design, on purpose.

So yes, the following is a good reason to be concerned that something is yet to occur. And yes... "HIS train is for BANK".



The original poster

This is just one tiny part of the tapestry.

I still believe that the flood scenario is a big possibility. Anything which has a big effect on the financial centre of the UK, Canary Wharf, will have a huge effect on our economy, and then the very unstable World economy.

If the economy collapses, your money will be worth nothing. If you don't get food in now, and this happens, you'll be fighting everyone else down at the supermarkets for a can of beans. It just pays to be prepared. That is my personal point of view. I'm not asking anyone to believe anything. They can make their own minds up.

reply to post by saladfingers123456


It should be said that what you are exploring is, by definition, esoterica. The challenge for many is they are not wired in a way that can either grasp the concepts or enjoy the process of exploring it.

The "prediction" process is often people thinking aloud in forums such as this, and not really people saying, "I bet my life on xxx happening," but for the same esoteric challenged people, they cannot discern the difference, as they have no real experience with either reading patterns - predictions, or evaluating their position in the process of evaluating patterns.

The other issue is fear. While many love the idea of events and even anarchy, most, and by most I mean white males 16-35, they would not actually enjoy it. When sussing out esoteric notions and patterns, the fear is triggered in them, but they can be so distanced from the process of evaluation that the simply lash out as the fear is a deep energy that most do not understand.

The last and biggest problem is that esoterica is fluid. Folks who like the idea of factual prediction don't understand the idea that reality is a unfolding fractal in which some folks are trying to steer that unfolding, while others are wanting it to unfold naturally, as such, predictions not based on pattern reading are foolish, and those based on pattern reading are subject to change based on the fact that the patterns are being observed. It is very likely some or all of the events thought to happen around the Olympics have happened to those not observing, but to those observing - thanks to the contributions of those into the esoterica, then events did not come to pass in that reality - it is possible that there was a flood in one reality and no flood in another and the knowledge of the possibility as explored by this thread and Clay and others caused a shift away for some.

When you can see things in a mutli contextual way, and in a multidimensional way, the reality we occupy is something very different then the TV reality people think we occupy. You might want to check out Goro Etamanaki for a deeper connection to the multi contextual stuff, his "predictions" which of course are just pattern reading, are fairly spot on - including some predictions of the big quakes.

reply to post by crankyoldman


Very interesting and insightful. Left and right brain thinking can have a huge impact on acceptance of patterns. The logical thinkers need a straight line, from a to b to c. Hard facts. The right brain thinkers see the larger picture and work backwards, looking at seemingly disconnected pieces and working to find connections between them.

Both have their drawbacks, but it is easy to see how the opposing viewpoints struggle to grasp each others way of thinking.

I think the key is to use the right brain to connect dots, and the left to analyse them into some kind of logical path.

Balance is always key. Extremes of either will lead to confusion or frustration, and more often than not, conflict of misunderstanding of the processes of each. There is without doubt, too much left brain thinking going on in this world. It is one of the reasons why we find ourselves in the pickle that we are currently in as a species.

Trying to take the connected dots, and boil them down to a more structured pattern is, in my opinion the best way to open the more logical of thinkers minds to a greater creative viewpoint.

I shall look into your suggestions (many thanks). I try to avoid getting into multidimensional thinking too much (in a public discussion at least), as it can be isolating to people who aren't ready to look at things from that broader perspective/s.
Reality has been so dictated from birth for so many, that peeking behind the curtain can be rather terrifying quite honestly. No one likes to think that they are fallible, or that they have been so convincingly deceived for so long.
If the walls of reality tumble down, then it can have a dangerous effect on some, to the point of disrupting their ability to function. Loss of purpose.

Everyone has to find their own way out. I'd like to think that threads such as this one can open a few doors to discovery, being somewhere between the esoteric and the logical.

Well... that's the hope anyway.

Thanks again for the recommendations.

Originally posted by crankyoldman
reply to post by saladfingers123456

 

It should be said that what you are exploring is, by definition, esoterica. The challenge for many is they are not wired in a way that can either grasp the concepts or enjoy the process of exploring it.

The "prediction" process is often people thinking aloud in forums such as this, and not really people saying, "I bet my life on xxx happening," but for the same esoteric challenged people, they cannot discern the difference, as they have no real experience with either reading patterns - predictions, or evaluating their position in the process of evaluating patterns.

The other issue is fear. While many love the idea of events and even anarchy, most, and by most I mean white males 16-35, they would not actually enjoy it. When sussing out esoteric notions and patterns, the fear is triggered in them, but they can be so distanced from the process of evaluation that the simply lash out as the fear is a deep energy that most do not understand.

The last and biggest problem is that esoterica is fluid. Folks who like the idea of factual prediction don't understand the idea that reality is a unfolding fractal in which some folks are trying to steer that unfolding, while others are wanting it to unfold naturally, as such, predictions not based on pattern reading are foolish, and those based on pattern reading are subject to change based on the fact that the patterns are being observed. It is very likely some or all of the events thought to happen around the Olympics have happened to those not observing, but to those observing - thanks to the contributions of those into the esoterica, then events did not come to pass in that reality - it is possible that there was a flood in one reality and no flood in another and the knowledge of the possibility as explored by this thread and Clay and others caused a shift away for some.

When you can see things in a mutli contextual way, and in a multidimensional way, the reality we occupy is something very different then the TV reality people think we occupy. You might want to check out Goro Etamanaki for a deeper connection to the multi contextual stuff, his "predictions" which of course are just pattern reading, are fairly spot on - including some predictions of the big quakes.

This is a great description, best I've read so far. I cannot talk about any of this stuff with my ex. She is very into esoterica but cannot delve into the conspiracy realms while staying out of fear. Many people are like this. Add to that the cognitive dissonance of seeing that the world isn't how you thought it was and bam...we have what you are talking about above.

There are some fantastic brains out there.

Originally posted by saladfingers123456
Look for yourself, look at what has been shared, make up your own mind. If you don't believe or agree, then why are you here? I ask that honestly, do you just hate people looking and studying? What is it? I don't understand.

Only just saw this bit, glossed over it yesterday...

Why is it, whenever you disagree with someone (and usually on something flimsy at best....) are you then asked why we're here?

On top of that, you contradict yourself. "Make up your own mind" you say, followed by "if you don't agree why are you here?"..

How arrogant is that? You're basically saying that if I do not agree with you (after making up my own mind ) I shouldn't be here at all? You only want people who agree with you (after making up their own mind, after all)..

I have made my own mind up, after reviewing the evidence presented.

Jesus wept...

Originally posted by saladfingers123456
Stumason.

You display the same. Law of averages, 300 predictions, one of them will be right in the end. That is just listening to others again. At what point do you look for yourself? You must

I'm sorry, but your arrogance in this is getting somewhat annoying.

You're making the assumption we haven't looked into anything based simply on the premise that we disagree with the (409th or thereabouts) warning of a "false flag" attack which WILL pass uneventful. Do not think for one moment, matey, that I haven't looked into it. In fact, I pride myself on my thoroughness and investigative abilities, it is after all what I rely on in my day job.

At best, there is a case to be made that certain factions, for want of a better word, may allow an already planned terrorist attack to take place, in order to maximise any "benefit" or to allow things to happen in a certain way, Pearl Harbour and Operation Northwood are good examples of real world situations where this can be found and I suspect 9/11 was the same..

However, there is FUDGE all evidence (and the total lack of these foretold events ever happening) of any actual false flags. Do not think for one moment I haven't read all the evidence, done my own leg work etc.

But, at the end of the day, what you're saying is somewhat contradictory as your just reading what other people are saying as well.

When you say you have done your own research, have you actually interviewed anyone, examined physical evidence yourself, been privy to any secret documents or anything else? I doubt it, you've just read other people's opinions on the interwebs, which is all any of us can really ever do.

All you, I or anyone else can ever realistically do is examine the evidence presented and come to an informed decision to base our opinions on. If my conclusion doesn't jive with yours, however, that does not mean I haven't done any research or shouldn't be on ATS.