Iraqi resistance fighters deliver ultimatum to US

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
I would like to know how one goes about conducting a scienitific survey in a country that is in a state of war with minimal infrastructure.

Eighty percent of Iraqis surveyed? How many were surveyed? How were they contacted? How was the sampling frame derived for the universe of respondents?

This survey was conducted by US media. I think it is toward bush/Cheney.

If a poll is conducted today, the results will be even worse for US.

zcheng,

I got to hand it to you. You're really on top of things. The story of the Iraqi resistance fighters giving us an ultimatum is as funny as this story. Oh my sides hurting!

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

What makes you think that the vets you know are representative. I know that there are some rabidly anti-war vets out there, but I don't think they are representative. How many Vietnam veterans do you know?

I knew one of those scoundrels where I used to work. He went around to all the ladies telling them he was some kind of hero and never said a word to me, because he knew that I would be able to see through his scam.

When I heard about it, I confronted him and you never saw a face turn redder in your life and because he claimed to be a green beret, I sent all the identifying information I could get on him to one of the websites that exposes frauds. He left suddenly a few months later and I never asked him why.

And no rational person desires immediate withdrawal from Iraq, even if they disagreed with the invasion. The job must be finished and I would have to question any combat veteran who feels otherwise.
[edit on 04/10/6 by GradyPhilpott]

I've met vietnam vets through family members who were in the military back then. You're right, though, they don't represent everyone. Just assumed most Vietnam Vets who were in combat are opposed to sending troops abroad like the ones I know.

Yes, I've heard of people claiming to be veterans who aren't. Pretty pathetic. It's good you reported one.

The individuals I know who support an immediate withdrawal are combat veterans and no, they aren't microcephallic pinheads. The longer we remain the more young people will be killed and maimed. Plus our presence helps terrorist's recruitment. Why help fuel their Jihad?



[edit on 6-10-2004 by bushblows]

Originally posted by zcheng
Remember: empty words means nothing to "your sons, daughters, friends, husbands and wives " in Iraq.

You mean like a threat by a bunch of people that can not even keep their OWN country?

Like it or not comrade we will win this little bush fire and all your crying and sniviling and made up stories will not change a thing.



[edit on 6-10-2004 by Amuk]

Originally posted by Intelearthling
zcheng,

I got to hand it to you. You're really on top of things. The story of the Iraqi resistance fighters giving us an ultimatum is as funny as this story.

Oh my sides hurting!

Only those in Iraq knows what is really going on around them. If you believe the rosy picture Cheney/Bush presented, you deserve a good laugh.

Only when the day comes for US to withdraw, will you realize how you were lied to, just like in Vietnam.

Originally posted by zcheng
Only those in Iraq knows what is really going on around them.

I found this very interesting zcheng. A good point as well. So my question is, are you making excurtions into Iraq to get this information? You must be, as you stated "Only those in Iraq............." so if your posting from China, I would say, by your own addmision, that you have no idea what's going on there either.

Originally posted by intrepid
Only those in Iraq............." so if your posting from China, I would say, by your own addmision, that you have no idea what's going on there either.

zcheng will not disclose his location, except to say that he is not in China. Although, zcheng is a loyalist and toes the party line to include finding humor in the deaths of US servicemen, it is doubtful he would have internet access to the extent that he has wherever he is, unless, of course, he is a government operative. My only hope is that he does not reside in these United States.

[edit on 04/10/6 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
. My only hope is that he does not reside in these United States.

[edit on 04/10/6 by GradyPhilpott]

It seems to me that he has mentioned living here

From his posts I would say he is probibly some 14 year-old kid mad at the USA because he has to much homework

Just my opinion

Ultimatum!

Read: You can kill us now, or kill us later. SO, US soldiers, make your choice..

And of course, like I always ask, but am never replied to (I think he/she has me on ignore) How many were killed in Tiananmen Square?

Originally posted by intrepid
I found this very interesting zcheng. A good point as well. So my question is, are you making excurtions into Iraq to get this information? You must be, as you stated "Only those in Iraq............." so if your posting from China, I would say, by your own addmision, that you have no idea what's going on there either.

When did I said that I am reporting from Iraq? What I did is posting those reports coming out of Iraq on the battlefield.

Originally posted by zcheng
With every US action killing civilians, US will drive more people to Resistance. That is fundemental reason why US will be defeated in Iraq.

Thats where your wrong. The U.S. has already won what the administration was after. We destabilized the muslim region, took the 2nd largest oil field in the world, and all the rubber and tire contracts in the country. We have already won. Our generals did learn from Vietnam - you have to have corporations involved to keep the money flowing. Hell they wont need troops after awhile just mercenaries. Once the oil fields are secure with high paid Iraqi's then Iraq will stabilize. Rich Iraqi's will start getting involved in wasting extremists, and guerillas or at least keeping them away from the pipeline.

Why do you think Haliburton is doing the reconstruction? Not because know one else could handle the job. The no bid contract is illegal I know this because I am a contractor for the military. However Haliburton has the 'security' manpower to handle the job into the future, which of course is necessary for the oil to flow for both the Iraqi's and the U.S. This isn't the first time in the sack for them they know the game and they sure don't need U.S. troops for the long haul. Nut of course you can't say to the American people, "Don't worry our low paid killers will take care of everything."

On the issue of Iraqi oil it's better for Iraq. With the U.S. handling the flow of oil they will output in the future probably three million or more barrels a day. Here in the U.S we use about ten million barrels a day. Iraq will be rich soon enough as we will be buying the oil from them at stable prices, great for our economy, - destabilizing OPEC, yeah baby eat it! LOL thats why oil is at the highest in history right now. OPEC knows they are screwed and they are milking it for all they can.

Recommendation for next years oil futures SELL SHORT. I know I will!

Vincere7, just wanted to say that your 2 posts, at the end of page 2 and the start of page 3, were great. Felt they needed to be acknowledged. Now I'm just waiting for Grady to reply as he seems to have skipped past them....

vincere7

I agree with you, is about time that people realize that what we are fighting is an oil war, not matter how well we painted with the well being of the "Iraqi people" and the "compassionate America� is still a war for power as who will hold the oil reserves in the world and if the target happened too had a bad leader with a back record, well more icing on the cake.

Indeed. And a key statement in al qaeda's recruitment propaganda is: "the US is after our oil; they want to rape our land and enslave the muslim people." Our "invasion" substantiated these claims. That is why recruitment has skyrocketed.

Combating terrorism requires brains - not just force. Giving Iraqis an excuse to mistrust us plays right into Bin's hands. "See?" he says. "I was right - the big, evil Superpower has come for our oil!"

How hard do you think it is for him to rally muslim youth against us now?


[edit on 7-10-2004 by bushblows]

It seems as if the temerature has been slowly increasing now in Iraq.For 15 months of the 19 month invasion and occupation,fighting seemed to be sporadic and short battles lasting minutes to maybe 30 mins,hit and run type tactics(this causes fewer casualties on your own side as you catch the enemy unawares and are able to exfiltrate before enemy reinforcements arrive) These groups are usually in between 4 and 8 man teams,usually the special forces units from the old republican guard and feayeen.

Recently fighting seems to have changed even though these hit and run ambushes occur all the time.The difference seems to be that the resistance stay around longer and try and finish the job.4 months ago if 4 humvees were attacked by the resistance,they would launch RPGs at them as well as machine gun fire lasting maybe 2 minutes then exfiltrate quickly.Out of the 4 humvees with 16 men in total may 4 wounded or killed.Where as now the tactic seems to be to hit the 4 humvees and continue hitting them a more prolonged attack causing more damage and casualties maybe 12 out of the 16.

Also a lot larger engagements seem to be taking place,where the resistance are using heavy weaponary mixed in with the light arms.Use of Kornet anti tank missles,Recoiless artillery peices,Heavy mortars all on larger enemy targets which means rather than now working in 4-8 man teams suggest larger amounts of coordinated resistance maybe up towards 40 men.

Employing larger amounts of men has its pros and cons.On the pro side means larger convoys or targets can be hit and the attack can be sustained causing multiple damage and casualties.Ie winning the engagement causing the enemy to make tactical withdrawals.On the con side,it is harder to exfiltrate more troops and equipment yourself safely out of the ambush site without yourself(group)taking injured and dead.Also leaves yourself open to concerted airpower.Helicopter gunships and bomber aircraft can more easily assess targets when there are more fighters in the engagement,therefor can leave yourself open. In recent
2 engagements cost the U.S and Iraqi guard 54 enemy dead.But also cost the resistance 15 confirmed dead.

Warfare is all about three words.ATTRITION,ASSETS and LIABILITIES.The resistance seem willing,motivated and very brave.Most of the fighters have little if no military type experience.So those resistance fighters with military Know How,on tactics,weapons etc are themselves ASSETS pointless throwing themselves away needlessly They do their own cause no good .

The Iraqi resistance must learn that it cannot win engagements with large amounts of fighters,in this they will get bottled up in an area and U.S airpower will just drop 500lb ordanance all over them,net result a lot of dead rersistance fighters.UNLESS they can take out the airpower they are doomed in this scenario.Hit and run is best tactics,disrupting convoys etc.
Anyway seems to me these resistance fighters are very brave.

DaTRUTH - you made an interesting point about there being no rules in War. There do appear to be rather a lot of 'rules of engagement' that the collition forces have to be aware of before fighting the 'enemy'.

It seems like lunacy when you consider what the terrorists get up to, but the restraints placed on the US soldiers and others are astonishing.

They are expected to win this war with both hands tied behind their backs - that is the strangest part of this conflict.

Originally posted by zcheng

Originally posted by intrepid
I found this very interesting zcheng. A good point as well. So my question is, are you making excurtions into Iraq to get this information? You must be, as you stated "Only those in Iraq............." so if your posting from China, I would say, by your own addmision, that you have no idea what's going on there either.

When did I said that I am reporting from Iraq? What I did is posting those reports coming out of Iraq on the battlefield.

That's my point. You stated that only those in Iraq know what is really going on. Thus by your own words, you are not in Iraq, your reports are shot down by, guess who? Yourself.

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by zcheng

Originally posted by intrepid
I found this very interesting zcheng. A good point as well. So my question is, are you making excurtions into Iraq to get this information? You must be, as you stated "Only those in Iraq............." so if your posting from China, I would say, by your own addmision, that you have no idea what's going on there either.

When did I said that I am reporting from Iraq? What I did is posting those reports coming out of Iraq on the battlefield.

Those reports are from the people in Iraq, not that I write them.

That's my point. You stated that only those in Iraq know what is really going on. Thus by your own words, you are not in Iraq, your reports are shot down by, guess who? Yourself.

Originally posted by zcheng

Originally posted by intrepid

That's my point. You stated that only those in Iraq know what is really going on. Thus by your own words, you are not in Iraq, your reports are shot down by, guess who? Yourself.

Those reports are from the people in Iraq, not that I write them.

Ah, but you are not there to verify them, thus hearsay. I could get info from someone in Iraq that purple dinosaurs were spotted in the interior. I could neither confirm nor deny that, also hearsay. Got milk?

[edit on 7-10-2004 by intrepid]