Iraqi resistance fighters deliver ultimatum to US

BEIRUT, October 4 (Itar-Tass) - Iraqi resistance fighters on Monday presented the U.S. Military Command with an ultimatum demanding pulling out of American troops from Falluja, Samarra and the Shiite districts of Najaf and Madinat-Sadr (Baghdad suburb with a population of two million).

In a statement of the United Command of Mujahiddeen (fighters for faith) circulated in the Internet it is stressed that the coalition troops should quit the named cities, as well as the Luteifya area south of Baghdad, Tal-Afar city in the north of the country and Saada village on the Syrian-Iraqi border by Saturday.

Otherwise the militants are threatening with carrying out large-scale subversive actions throughout the country, in particular, they have threatened to �attack oil pipelines in all provinces, interrupt transport communication with Turkey, Syria and Jordan in order to block the traffic of goods across the border for the exception of foodstuffs.�

Iraqi Defence Minister Hazem al-Shaalan said on Sunday that the military operation in Samarra has ended in �total victory.�

According to him, the Iraqi state troopers and patrols of the coalition forces are controlling 70 percent of the territory of the city located 50 kilometres north of Baghdad.

In the meantime, the League of Islamic Theologians of Iraq � the union of spiritual leaders of Sunni Muslims has called the events in Samarra and Falluija a �massacre.�

The U.S. Military Command said for it part that air strikes on insurgent districts and cities of Iraq and special operations there will be continued up until December, until stable conditions for the country�s elections are created
www.itar-tass.com...

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We can expect surge of Resistance in the coming weeks.

Good post Zcheng. Let the fighting begin. A total massacre is possible in Iraq, but not yet. The U.S. and British forces remain restrained, in spite of the so called "resistance" forces and their less than valiant fighting tactics, for example:

1. Hiding in declared religious shrines, mosques, etc. so as to attempt to evade death at the hands of the Iraqi army and coalition.

2. Hiding within civilian population centers so as to attempt to evade death at the hands of the Iraqi army and coalition.

3. Specifically targeting innocent Iraqi civilians, men, women, and children alike.

4. Ah yes, in #3, pay close attention to the word "specifically".

5. Utilizing Red Cross insignia, ambulances, and other traditionally "neutral" and easily recognized as "safe" vehicles as homicidal bombs on unsuspecting civilians.

Yea Zcheng, these "insurgents" do truly fight with honor.

I would suggest the "insurgents" change tactics if they truly wish to defeat the Iraqi Army and coalition, for what they have been doing for the last year or so has obviously not caused the coalition to leave the country.

With all the blather set forth in your posts about this invincible resistance, one would be led to believe tomorrow noon the country of Iraq would be named the United State of Resistance or some such idiocy.

Originally posted by smokenmirrors
Good post Zcheng. Let the fighting begin. A total massacre is possible in Iraq, but not yet. The U.S. and British forces remain restrained, in spite of the so called "resistance" forces and their less than valiant fighting tactics, for example:

1. Hiding in declared religious shrines, mosques, etc. so as to attempt to evade death at the hands of the Iraqi army and coalition.

2. Hiding within civilian population centers so as to attempt to evade death at the hands of the Iraqi army and coalition.

3. Specifically targeting innocent Iraqi civilians, men, women, and children alike.

4. Ah yes, in #3, pay close attention to the word "specifically".

5. Utilizing Red Cross insignia, ambulances, and other traditionally "neutral" and easily recognized as "safe" vehicles as homicidal bombs on unsuspecting civilians.

Yea Zcheng, these "insurgents" do truly fight with honor.

I would suggest the "insurgents" change tactics if they truly wish to defeat the Iraqi Army and coalition, for what they have been doing for the last year or so has obviously not caused the coalition to leave the country.

With all the blather set forth in your posts about this invincible resistance, one would be led to believe tomorrow noon the country of Iraq would be named the United State of Resistance or some such idiocy.

All I can say is that you are fullly indoctrinated and qualified as a US soldier. Please join US troops in Iraq to fight this "Honorable Crusade". The Country needs your sacrifice.

Hey zcheng,

All I can say is that you are fullly indoctrinated and qualified as a United Command of Mujahiddeen (fighters for faith) soldier. Please join United Command of Mujahiddeen (fighters for faith) troops in Iraq to fight for this "Honorable Crusade". The United Command of Mujahiddeen (fighters for faith) need your sacrifice.

Originally posted by COOL HAND
Hey zcheng,

All I can say is that you are fullly indoctrinated and qualified as a United Command of Mujahiddeen (fighters for faith) soldier. Please join United Command of Mujahiddeen (fighters for faith) troops in Iraq to fight for this "Honorable Crusade". The United Command of Mujahiddeen (fighters for faith) need your sacrifice.

this would be good if the Iraqi resistance were proper Mujahiddeen

Nice report Zcheng! Hopefully they will come out and fight as they have promised so we can pump them all full of lead.

Then that country can get back on it's feet and be free!

Then we (the US) can pull out our troops and put them in Taiwan to massacre any China attempt at an invasion

Originally posted by COOL HAND
Hey zcheng,

All I can say is that you are fullly indoctrinated and qualified as a United Command of Mujahiddeen (fighters for faith) soldier.

zcheng is a Chinese communist who is fond of defending his hero Mao Zedong as the savior of China and dismissing the 40,000,000 innocent people he murdered as a "mistake."

Of course we should realize that the actions of John Kerry helped to make possible the genocide in Southeast Asia and there are plenty of people here who don't even call that a mistake.

[edit on 04/10/5 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by COOL HAND
Hey zcheng,

All I can say is that you are fullly indoctrinated and qualified as a United Command of Mujahiddeen (fighters for faith) soldier. Please join United Command of Mujahiddeen (fighters for faith) troops in Iraq to fight for this "Honorable Crusade". The United Command of Mujahiddeen (fighters for faith) need your sacrifice.

Good, imitation.

My heart and minds are with Iraqi People.

Current Iraqi Resistance is progressing great in liberating Iraq and regaining Independence. I will only volunteer in the unification war in Taiwan Strait.

Originally posted by zcheng
BEIRUT, October 4 (Itar-Tass) - Iraqi resistance fighters on Monday presented the U.S. Military Command with an ultimatum demanding pulling out of American troops from Falluja, Samarra and the Shiite districts of Najaf and Madinat-Sadr (Baghdad suburb with a population of two million).

In a statement of the United Command of Mujahiddeen (fighters for faith)

How many insurgents does anyone pretend that this group represents? Do they represent the shia fighters and the baathists and the sunnis?

circulated in the Internet it is stressed that the coalition troops should quit the named cities, as well as the Luteifya area south of Baghdad, Tal-Afar city in the north of the country and Saada village on the Syrian-Iraqi border by Saturday.
Or what? More attacks on civilians and corporate security?

block the traffic of goods across the border for the exception of foodstuffs.

Ludicrous. How can they disript transport but not 'foodstuffs'. Mere bluffing. The resistance is unorganized and antagonistic, a confused lot of genuine patriots, baathists, and terrorists. They will not be able to organize campaigns like this accross all of these borders, they seem to only be operating in areas where they can mix with the civilian population. There is no 'commando' army crossing the desert and bivouacing in oases and swamps as in the arab tribes acting against the ottomans in wwi. The resistance is barely even a guerilla army, and the parts that are more organized don't appear to be moving out of their strong holds (ie the madhi army and the soon to (i beleive anyway) legitimatized and politisised sadr)

League of Islamic Theologians of Iraq � the union of spiritual leaders of Sunni Muslims has called the events in Samarra and Falluija a �massacre.�

How authoratative is this group, since its being presented as an authority? Why should anyone take heed in what they say? How have they verified this 'massacre'?

We can expect surge of Resistance in the coming weeks.

Yeah ok, just like you previouisly were reporting that dozens of helicopters tankss apcs and hundreds of troopers were being wiped out in the "Battle for Samarra" so recently right?

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

Originally posted by COOL HAND
Hey zcheng,

All I can say is that you are fullly indoctrinated and qualified as a United Command of Mujahiddeen (fighters for faith) soldier.

Of course we should realize that the actions of John Kerry helped to make possible the genocide in Southeast Asia and their are plenty of people here who don't even call that a mistake.

How utterly ludicrous. Even if you don't like Kerry - blaming him for
the widespread carnage which occurred in Southeast Asia is absurd. Politicians were ultimately responsible for Vietnam - not disgruntled vets who protested afterwards.

You're just trying to plant an "anti-Kerry" seed in visitors minds.

And what *genuine* Vietnam Vet doesn't want the troops to be withdrawn from Iraq?? None that I know.

[edit on 5-10-2004 by bushblows]

Originally posted by Nygdan

League of Islamic Theologians of Iraq � the union of spiritual leaders of Sunni Muslims has called the events in Samarra and Falluija a �massacre.�

How authoratative is this group, since its being presented as an authority? Why should anyone take heed in what they say? How have they verified this 'massacre'?

We can expect surge of Resistance in the coming weeks.

Yeah ok, just like you previouisly were reporting that dozens of helicopters tankss apcs and hundreds of troopers were being wiped out in the "Battle for Samarra" so recently right?

I do not know the authenticity of this group. you will need to contact Itar-Tass.

With the regards of "Battle for Samarra", that thread was locked by the moderator for sharing valueable analysis of a poster from other forum.

With 3000 US troops, and 2000 Iraqi police and battling dozens of "insurgents", why even today, US only controlled about 70% of Samarra, as US and Iraqi puppet are claiming so successful operations? What is happening to prevent them from taking the rest 30% percent of Samarra?

More likely US and Iraqi puppets only control about 30% while Iraqi Resistance still control 70% of Samarra.

Samarra�.

While Resistance sources said that they remained in control of 70 percent of Samarra� at the end of Saturday, US military sources and their western media mouthpieces claimed the reverse - that 70 percent of the city had been reoccupied by the US invader troops.

For their part, citizens of the city reported that US snipers were widely deployed on rooftops from which they shot at anything that moved in the streets below. �There are dead people that we cannot take for burial and they are being buried in the gardens of their homes,� said �Ali �Abd al-Latif, a 19-year-old high school student.

At Samarra� General Hospital, Dr. Khalid Ahmad said at least 80 bodies and more than 100 wounded were brought to the facility Friday.

�Dead bodies and injured people are everywhere in the city and when we tried to evacuate them, the Americans fired at us,� an ambulance driver told Associated Press Television News. �Later on they told us that we can evacuate only injured women and children and we are not allowed to pick up injured men.�

Wounded people, mostly women and children, lay on beds at the Tikrit Teaching Hospital.

�His pregnant mother was killed� said Sami Hashim, standing over a young boy whose belly was covered in bandages. Nearby was a young girl who lost her left foot.

Oct 3, 2004
Resistance car bomb kills 12 Americans at entrance to besieged Samarra�.

Iraqi Resistance forces on Sunday afternoon attacked a command point set up by US forces and their stooges in Samarra� to prevent the entrance of supplies and provisions into the besieged city, only part of which has been occupied by American and puppet troops.

A black Opel car bomb, driven by an Iraqi Resistance martyrdom fighter, slammed into the command post, inflicting heavy casualties on the US and puppet forces. Twelve US troops were killed and 10 Iraqi stooges. Three Nissan pickups belonging to the Iraqi puppet troops were also destroyed, as were two Humvees belonging to the Ameircans. A Bradley armored vehicle was also disabled by the blast according to the local correspondent of Mafkarat al-Islam.

Monday, 4 October 2004.
Still defiant! Two US helicopters downed by Samarra� Resistance Monday, as US continues to pound city with cluster bombs, despite claims that they have �taken� it.

Iraqi Resistance fighters seem determined to refute as boldly and obviously as possible United States claims to have subdued the Iraqi Resistance in the defiant city of Samarra�, 120km north of Baghdad. On Monday Iraqi Resistance fighters in the city shot down two American helicopters.

The local correspondent of Mafkarat al-Islam reported that Resistance fighters fired C5K rockets at both a Black Hawk and a Chinook helicopter.

Meanwhile US F16 and F14 fighter bombers on Monday dropped eight containers of cluster bombs (each container holding some 2,000 anti-personnel cluster bombs) on the city, in addition to firing rockets into the defiant city. Forty-five persons have died as martyrs as a result of the US bombing, only 10 of them Resistance fighters, the Mafkarat al-Islam correspondent reported.

In other words...

"I'll huff, and I'll puff, and I'll blow your house down!"

Oh boy....I'm sure our boys are shaking in their shoes....

Are you any relation to good ole Disinfo Al???

[edit on 5-10-2004 by Gazrok]

Yep Zcheng they have us on the run now

The only thing that stands between them and world domanation is the girl scouts of america.......

you really crack me up.

Do you really believe this BS you post or is this just your way of killing time?

Originally posted by Amuk
Yep Zcheng they have us on the run now

you really crack me up.

Do you really believe this BS you post or is this just your way of killing time?

Is it not the purpose of ATS for us to share information and analysis, thus "Deny Ignorance"? Most often, you will have to look from a different perspective to know the true state of things. Iraq is the prime example.

Are moderators starting to crackdown on different opinions now on ATS?

Originally posted by bushblows

How utterly ludicrous. Even if you don't like Kerry - blaming him for
the widespread carnage which occurred in Southeast Asia is absurd. Politicians were ultimately responsible for Vietnam - not vets who protested afterwards.

And what genuine Vietnam Vet supports Bush's Oil War? None that I know.

The anti-war movement and John Kerry, forced the politicians of the day to abandon South Vietnam, which led directly to the carnage after the fall of Saigon. You leftist minions can lie till the cow's come home, but you will never change the truth.

And this genuine veteran of the war in Vietnam, supports the war on terrorism, including the deposition of Saddam. Only the politically naive or the lunatic left would call the war in Iraq an "oil war."

You're not increasing in knowledge, blowsbush. In fact, your grasp of reality seems to be foundering.

originally posted by zcheng
My heart and minds are with Iraqi People.

Current Iraqi Resistance is progressing great in liberating Iraq and regaining Independence. I will only volunteer in the unification war in Taiwan Strait.

You're in the same league with zcheng who is a avowed enemy of the US.

Originally posted by smokenmirrors
Good post Zcheng. Let the fighting begin. A total massacre is possible in Iraq, but not yet. The U.S. and British forces remain restrained, in spite of the so called "resistance" forces and their less than valiant fighting tactics, for example:

1. Hiding in declared religious shrines, mosques, etc. so as to attempt to evade death at the hands of the Iraqi army and coalition.

2. Hiding within civilian population centers so as to attempt to evade death at the hands of the Iraqi army and coalition.

3. Specifically targeting innocent Iraqi civilians, men, women, and children alike.

4. Ah yes, in #3, pay close attention to the word "specifically".

5. Utilizing Red Cross insignia, ambulances, and other traditionally "neutral" and easily recognized as "safe" vehicles as homicidal bombs on unsuspecting civilians.

Yea Zcheng, these "insurgents" do truly fight with honor.

I would suggest the "insurgents" change tactics if they truly wish to defeat the Iraqi Army and coalition, for what they have been doing for the last year or so has obviously not caused the coalition to leave the country.

With all the blather set forth in your posts about this invincible resistance, one would be led to believe tomorrow noon the country of Iraq would be named the United State of Resistance or some such idiocy.

There are no rules in War. That's how america won it's independence from the british. They didn't follow there rules of war. Everything you laied out we pretty much did to win our independence. So what's your point.... War is ugly how can you not expect them to use these tatics

Originally posted by zcheng
With the regards of "Battle for Samarra", that thread was locked by the moderator for sharing valueable analysis of a poster from other forum.

With 3000 US troops, and 2000 Iraqi police and battling dozens of "insurgents", why even today, US only controlled about 70% of Samarra, as US and Iraqi puppet are claiming so successful operations? What is happening to prevent them from taking the rest 30% percent of Samarra?

More likely US and Iraqi puppets only control about 30% while Iraqi Resistance still control 70% of Samarra.

Samarra�.

While Resistance sources said that they remained in control of 70 percent of Samarra� at the end of Saturday, US military sources and their western media mouthpieces claimed the reverse - that 70 percent of the city had been reoccupied by the US invader troops.

For their part, citizens of the city reported that US snipers were widely deployed on rooftops from which they shot at anything that moved in the streets below. �There are dead people that we cannot take for burial and they are being buried in the gardens of their homes,� said �Ali �Abd al-Latif, a 19-year-old high school student.

At Samarra� General Hospital, Dr. Khalid Ahmad said at least 80 bodies and more than 100 wounded were brought to the facility Friday.

�Dead bodies and injured people are everywhere in the city and when we tried to evacuate them, the Americans fired at us,� an ambulance driver told Associated Press Television News. �Later on they told us that we can evacuate only injured women and children and we are not allowed to pick up injured men.�

Wounded people, mostly women and children, lay on beds at the Tikrit Teaching Hospital.

�His pregnant mother was killed� said Sami Hashim, standing over a young boy whose belly was covered in bandages. Nearby was a young girl who lost her left foot.

Oct 3, 2004
Resistance car bomb kills 12 Americans at entrance to besieged Samarra�.

Iraqi Resistance forces on Sunday afternoon attacked a command point set up by US forces and their stooges in Samarra� to prevent the entrance of supplies and provisions into the besieged city, only part of which has been occupied by American and puppet troops.

A black Opel car bomb, driven by an Iraqi Resistance martyrdom fighter, slammed into the command post, inflicting heavy casualties on the US and puppet forces. Twelve US troops were killed and 10 Iraqi stooges. Three Nissan pickups belonging to the Iraqi puppet troops were also destroyed, as were two Humvees belonging to the Ameircans. A Bradley armored vehicle was also disabled by the blast according to the local correspondent of Mafkarat al-Islam.

Monday, 4 October 2004.
Still defiant! Two US helicopters downed by Samarra� Resistance Monday, as US continues to pound city with cluster bombs, despite claims that they have �taken� it.

Iraqi Resistance fighters seem determined to refute as boldly and obviously as possible United States claims to have subdued the Iraqi Resistance in the defiant city of Samarra�, 120km north of Baghdad. On Monday Iraqi Resistance fighters in the city shot down two American helicopters.

The local correspondent of Mafkarat al-Islam reported that Resistance fighters fired C5K rockets at both a Black Hawk and a Chinook helicopter.

Meanwhile US F16 and F14 fighter bombers on Monday dropped eight containers of cluster bombs (each container holding some 2,000 anti-personnel cluster bombs) on the city, in addition to firing rockets into the defiant city. Forty-five persons have died as martyrs as a result of the US bombing, only 10 of them Resistance fighters, the Mafkarat al-Islam correspondent reported.

z,

After your cut and paste fest here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Which is the thread that you claim "was locked by the moderator for sharing valueable analysis of a poster from other forum."

I find it hard to believe that you post exactly the same "information" here. Cut and paste is not a contribution to the content of ATS... It's just cut and paste. The "information you proffer is from another discussion board, one that allows "guest" postings; I'll let each person decide on their own what that says about the credibility, and veracity of the content.

In parting, I'll include the "post that never was". A post truncated in it's prime... never to be seen unless fate would contort itself in some ironic way, providing a divine segue for it to see the light of ATS. Thanks z, your propensity for less than original material has provided that irony.

The post that never was
have tried my best to abstain from commentary since my first reply to this "thread". I've already voiced my opinion as to validity (lack thereof) of the original topic. My concern is the continued use of another discussion board�s content as the pretense for the original post, and as support in subsequent posts. The cut and paste of the august �Guest� postings does not meet the criteria for a verifiable or credible source (nor does it meet the Terms and Conditions of this forum). A discussion board that allows �Guest� postings cannot be grounded in a desire for truth, but merely exists as a venue for propaganda, and disinformation. If you doubt this, ask yourself how seriously you would take an anonymous �Guest� poster at ATS? Ask yourself how seriously do you take some ATS members?

There is an obvious need by some �contributors� to portray the U.S. and it�s actions in Iraq in a negative light (I�m speaking of those who are not politically opposed, but those who feel threatened by arcane concepts such as freedom and democracy). Those that feel helpless at the hands of the U.S. military must bolster their morale with poorly contrived �truth� (Pravda in .ru context), hence the comical disinformation. Whether the originator of the thread is a knowing participant in this Third World New Speak (which is the same as the old speak) is irrelevant, what is relevant is the disregard for the credible and reliable sources that refute the �Guest�. A failure to �deny� has not occurred, the desire to �embrace� has�

Originally posted by Mirthful Me
z,

After your cut and paste fest here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Which is the thread that you claim "was locked by the moderator for sharing valueable analysis of a poster from other forum."

Yes, I copied the information related "Battle of Samarra" here, because the original thread on it was locked. Please see:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

So no more pointed analysis on the battle is possible.

Originally posted by DaTruth
There are no rules in War. That's how america won it's independence from the british. They didn't follow there rules of war. Everything you laied out we pretty much did to win our independence. So what's your point.... War is ugly how can you not expect them to use these tatics

I suggest you do a further analysis of the U.S. war of Independence. Please show me where the colonies hid in religious shrines for protection. Further show me where the colonists killed innocent British civilians at will. And while you are doing your research, do show where the fighters for U.S. independence from Britain did utilize the red cross insignia, ambulances, and other generally accepted icons of refuge and safety to kill innocent civilians. You are blowing smoke my friend, a smokenmirror attempt for certain!!!

Are moderators starting to crackdown on different opinions now on ATS?

We're members too, and merely stating our opinions... If we closed the thread or trashed it or something, THEN one could claim we were cracking down. Just because an opinion clashes with your own, and is shared by more than one mod, it isn't a "crackdown"...

We have mods on the left, mods in the middle, and mods on the right...

Granted, most seem to be on the left, but TC being on the right tends to make up for it, as he's WAY out there on the right, hehe....

From what we know of the makeup of the "resistance", such a communique is obviously bs and propaganda...(in my personal, not ATS's, opinion). I don't fault you for sharing it, I'm faulting the threat...