An Extremely High Tech Civilization Definitely Existed In The Distant Past Of Our Planet

Originally posted by geolo34

Feel free to point any mistakes in the above.

I believe that the Giza pyramids are measure in height from their base on the plateau (despite incorporating part of the plateau itself . What exactly is the height of the Bosnian hill measured from? The river level or on the 'back" side where it is connected to the ridge?

Originally posted by miniatus

Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
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Ever heard of Toms of Maine? Doesn't have fluoride in it and plenty of its users have perfectly healthy teeth. Vitamin K2 is completely natural and is what the "Activator X" is in Skatefish liver oil. It cures cavities and tooth decay, by removing the calcium from your organs and tissues and stores the calcium in your bones and teeth where it belongs. I could argue for days about topical application of fluoride being bad as well because I know several people who have gotten dental fluorosis, and no they haven't swallowed it...

I don't doubt that Flouride can be bad even topically, my second response kind of gets to that .. But my main point is that including it in drinking water is absolutely a bad idea.. having it in toothpaste at least lets it be avoidable ( buy another product ) ..

Having a substance like toothpaste desolve in your mouth and on your tong makes it enter your bloodstream directly ,you may get more by swallowing it with water or swallowing toothpaste but direct entry into the bloodstream more then makes up for that.

There has never been real evidence that fluoride is good for your teeth. There is however evidence how it is bad for your teeth and your body as a whole.


The story about those factory workers that had to work with the waste product (fluor) of a aluminium factory is that these workers had less cavities.


They just forgot to tell that these workers missed most of their teeth and molars which in turn did make them have less cavities, yes.

By being able to convince most people that fluor was healthy for them they found a way to not lose billions of dollars in the cleanup but to MAKE billions of dollars out of the chemical waste produced in the aluminium production industry.

Originally posted by Hanslune

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE

Who is not accepting them?

The scientific community which works by consensus

Thanks for this opinion, it is very enlightening on the way you think.

Let me give you a few of my own:

Science is ONLY advanced through the observation/examination of anomalies.

Most scientists who have made scientific breakthroughs have had their ideas at first ridiculed and dismissed.

Scientists who go along with groupthink never make any discoveries or breakthroughs.

Here is a great line which comes to mind as you try to force poeple to think these are not artificially created pyramids:

The ruling class endeavors to discourage independent reason while exercising illusory power over human knowledge.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

For those interested further in the elites control of society through economics and science, here is a great document, "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars":

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE

Thanks for this opinion, it is very enlightening on the way you think.

Just stating how the world actually works

Let me give you a few of my own:

Science is ONLY advanced through the observation/examination of anomalies.

No by experimention and observation, by observation one can tel the Bosnian hill is not a pyramid and a large fraud is being conducted by Osmie and the Bosnian officials

Most scientists who have made scientific breakthroughs have had their ideas at first ridiculed and dismissed.

Unless they find evidence to support their finds. I can list for you hundreds of failed theories

Scientists who go along with groupthink never make any discoveries or breakthroughs.

True and woo believers who go along with groupthink are often taken in by fraud

Here is a great line which comes to mind as you try to force poeple to think these are not artificially created pyramids:

'Force" ? lol

The ruling class endeavors to discourage independent reason while exercising illusory power over human knowledge.

So you think that the ruler of North Korea is concerned about a hill in Bosnia?

Explain if you can why a pyramid building culture in Bosnia would be a 'threat' to anyone? In detail please

You are just repeating what you've been told to believe by your fringe masters websites......

Originally posted by Hanslune

Explain if you can why a pyramid building culture in Bosnia would be a 'threat' to anyone? In detail please

I would have thought that this would have been obvious but let me explain it to you.

Artifacts have been found in and around the Bosnian pyramid which date to 30,000 - 40,000 years ago.

However current science "consensus/groupthink" would have us believe we were nothing but a bunch of Stone Age cave dwellers back then.

Thus if the Bosnian pyramid was built 30,000 - 40,000 years ago, the current "Stone Age" view is wrong and we would have to accept the fact at least one advanced civilization existed 30,000 - 40,000 years ago.

And that would lead to questions, such as:

A) How could they have been so advanced so long ago? Which leads to the dreaded (dreaded by the PTB) revelation they had off-world help. Then logically it follows, if off-worlders were involved with earth then, they are probably involved now - a secret the PTB is dying to keep secret.

B) How could such an advanced civilization disappear? Which leads people to think - maybe there is a Planet X which regularly passes earth every few thousand years which has the power to erase these great civilizations - another big secret the PTB wants to keep under wraps.

Seems motivation enough to attempt to convince people that something they can see with their own eyes (a giant pyramid) doesn't exist.

Originally posted by Hanslune

You are just repeating what you've been told to believe by your fringe masters websites......

Fringe websites? So you recommend getting my info from the MSM?

Here is a good reason why I choose to ignore the MSM and do my own research, of which I am well capable of discerning accurate from inaccurate:

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

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Lets just suppose the dates you have suggested are, in fact, correct and also lets assume that it is, in fact, a pyramid..........

Why would this then suggest they had "alien" help in building the pyramid? Are you suggesting the Egyptians also had "alien" help in constructing their pyramids? Or the Aztecs?

reply to post by Hanslune

Just some more information on the "pyramid" based on Google Earth image I uploaded earlier.

Using image design tools, and making the best triangle possible from the north face of the image:
The Height to Base: 74%
Angle One (apex point) 82.3 degrees
Angle Two (rightside angle) 50.1 degrees
Angel Three (leftside angle) 47.6 degrees

Deviation from True North: 5 degrees right.

The other faces are irregular and it's impossible to construct a quadrilateral pyramid based on them. As I stated earlier, this is obviously a naturally occurring formation that only coincidentally has an approximate north face.

There are real mysteries out there; this just isn't one of them.

Cheers,

Originally posted by Flavian
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE

 

Lets just suppose the dates you have suggested are, in fact, correct and also lets assume that it is, in fact, a pyramid..........

Why would this then suggest they had "alien" help in building the pyramid? Are you suggesting the Egyptians also had "alien" help in constructing their pyramids? Or the Aztecs?

Well, I don't know if aliens built or helped build the pyramids that are in Egypt (but I'm open to the idea), but I thought pretty much everyone knew that the people we think of as Egyptians didn't build them.

So if the Egyptians didn't build them, who did?

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE

I would have thought that this would have been obvious but let me explain it to you.

Artifacts have been found in and around the Bosnian pyramid which date to 30,000 - 40,000 years ago.

Oh really and are they in anyway shape or form associated with the make believe pyramids? People have been in that part of Europe for 300 to 500k years.

However current science "consensus/groupthink" would have us believe we were nothing but a bunch of Stone Age cave dwellers back then.

Thus if the Bosnian pyramid was built 30,000 - 40,000 years ago, the current "Stone Age" view is wrong and we would have to accept the fact at least one advanced civilization existed 30,000 - 40,000 years ago.

They dated a pieice of wood to that period of time, where the wood came from is another matter. It doesn't unfortunately date the hill above, as noted before you're going to need to find habitations of this culture and explain where the quarry was...and why they cannot find this stuff - like how the hill, sorry pyramid was made....

A) How could they have been so advanced so long ago? Which leads to the dreaded (dreaded by the PTB) revelation they had off-world help. Then logically it follows, if off-worlders were involved with earth then, they are probably involved now - a secret the PTB is dying to keep secret.

I was wondering when you would bring up aliens, that or Atlantis. Yes humans cannot built pyramids without alien help....lol.

B) How could such an advanced civilization disappear? Which leads people to think - maybe there is a Planet X which regularly passes earth every few thousand years which has the power to erase these great civilizations - another big secret the PTB wants to keep under wraps.

Oh my now you've brought in Sitchin, praise the lord - yes if I was the PTB that would be my major concern....

Seems motivation enough to attempt to convince people that something they can see with their own eyes (a giant pyramid) doesn't exist.

The hill is not a particular motivation and your other ideas are rather silly actually, typical woo envoking government conspiracies to try and defend a non-existence archaeological site

Fringe websites? So you recommend getting my info from the MSM?

I'm suggesting you look at alternative points of view which disagree with what you've been told

Here's a question for you - if the PTB are so evil and powerful why is the government of Bosnia allowed to promote this hill as a pyramid - why are the PTB so utterly weak and incapable of stoping this? Why is Osmie alive - if he is so terribly dangerous?


...you really haven't thought this through have you?

Originally posted by Hanslune

Welcome geolo34

Trying to convince believers that they are being lied to and mislead by Osmie and his crew is a hard sell, they don't look at counter-evidence, don't understand science and believe in 'high woo'.

Thanks!

I find many of the topics discussed here fascinating (hence my regular visits), but sometimes the (selective) lack of critical thinking can be staggering.

Originally posted by geolo34

Originally posted by Hanslune

Welcome geolo34

Trying to convince believers that they are being lied to and mislead by Osmie and his crew is a hard sell, they don't look at counter-evidence, don't understand science and believe in 'high woo'.

Thanks!

I find many of the topics discussed here fascinating (hence my regular visits), but sometimes the (selective) lack of critical thinking can be staggering.

Well yes you do get a wide assortment of thing here. Not to crazy as at some sites and not as stifling as some of the real science sites. Be sure to hang around geologists are rare here.

Originally posted by Hanslune

Originally posted by geolo34

Feel free to point any mistakes in the above.

I believe that the Giza pyramids are measure in height from their base on the plateau (despite incorporating part of the plateau itself . What exactly is the height of the Bosnian hill measured from? The river level or on the 'back" side where it is connected to the ridge?

I do not know what reference was used for the height given in Wikipedia. But (assuming you think the altitudes given in Google Earth are reasonably correct), why don't you investigate it yourself?

- As far as I can tell, the altitude of the apex is c.742m. For the hill to be exactly 1/3 taller than the Giza pyramid, then the altitude of the base of the hill would be at (742 - 195) = 547m.

Now open Google Earth, and move your cursor around the hill:

- on the northern flank, 547m is about 2/3 down the slope
- on the eastern flank, 547m is about about halfway down the slope (between the two sharp bends on that mountain track
- on the southwestern side, 547m is underground

=> for the hill to be exactly 1/3 taller than the pyramid of Giza, you'd have to choose a very arbitrary baseline that does not correspond to any topographical feature: higher than the surrounding plains/valleys, but lower than the adjacent ridge/pass/plateau.

Don't take my word for it, check it yourself.

To be fair, doing the same thing based on the height of the hill given in Wikipedia (213m), suggests that they used a baseline that is also quite arbitrary. I would personally use the altitude of the surrounding floodplains as the reference (c420-430m), which would make the hill c.325m tall (even further away from being exactly 1/3 taller than the pyramid of Giza).

For the geologically-minded, I just find this page that details and explains most geological features visible on the Bosnian Hill. I only browsed it quickly (mostly looked at pictures and comments), and it seems very good to me.

You will see the conglomerates mentioned above, the layered silt/clay formations, fractures and faults, the folding/tilting, etc...

www.irna.lautre.net...

Feel free to ask questions if you want (I'm not saying I'll be able to answer them all, though: geology is a vast field).

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My god.. does everything you see have to be part of a government conspiracy to cover up the truth from everyone? Just ONCE can you actually look at the science behind your ridiculous claims and listen to what others are telling you?

I guess you can't.. I've seen people point out to you that Nancy Lieder (the woman behind the majority of the Planet X nonsense) asked people to kill their pets, and she suggested, that small children be included, you ignore it. People have even in this thread pointed out to you that this may be a natural formation, no can't be HAS to be aliens and the PTB are covering it all up... Now you're saying that the Egyptians, which had the most advanced culture on the planet for thousands of years couldn't have moved large blocks of stone into position? They had a good understanding of the Wheel, they had a very good understanding of torque and leverage, they had THOUSANDS OF SLAVES to do the heavy work..... c'mon man.. use some common sense.

Stop looking at the world through narrow lenses, open up to the fact that some of these people may be wrong... And all of the sites you use as "proof" are known hoax and hoax recycling sites... Heck using your own statement, PlanetX is the biggest internet Hoax of our time..

Logic, try it sometime, you may be amazed at how some things actually look after you apply it, not at all like your guru Nancy tells it, and certainly not some vast conspiracy by elites to cover up Earth History....

Originally posted by TheProphetMark
Just came accross this. Did a ATS search to make sure this topic hasn't been posted already. I think a topic like this deserves to be on ATS for everyone to read. It's interesting and will most definitly spark some interesting conversations among us ATS members. I hope you all enjoy reading this, just as I did. It talks about two artifacts one which is approximately 100,000 years old which resembles to our modern day plug. Another, which happens to be of an unknown origin dating back to 12000 BC. I sure hope none of these are hoaxes, but I hope somebody here has knowledge about what these objects are.

An extremely high tech civilization definitely existed in the distant past of our planet, we currently know nothing about these beings.

Most of what we can learn about prehistoric people is from the artifacts they left behind.

However, certain prehistoric findings seem to be extremely frustrating when it comes to analyzing their unknown properties.

One of them is the three-pronged plug embedded in a small piece of granite. A stone embedded with a three-pronged plug is approximately 100,000 years old

Despite that the artifact is available to any researcher for analysis, not many of them decided to test it!

Instead, the artifact has been categorized as a hoax - without any examination.

Is there something we are afraid of discovering?

This mysterious archaeological finding was discovered accidentally by electrical engineer John J. Williams in 1998. Like many other precious, though undervalued artifacts, it may constitute a proof that extraterrestrial visitations to the planet Earth widely influenced our ancestors, so they became advanced and civilized and walked the earth long before any of the known ancient cultures came into existence.

In 1990, an odd type of blue stone, was discovered by geologist and archaeologist, Angelo Pytoni during one of his archaeological excavations in Sierra Leone, West Africa.

He sent the mysterious stone to be investigated at several laboratories around the world.

The tests were carried out at laboratories of the University of Geneva, the University of Rome, Utrecht, Tokyo and Freiberg, Germany. All experts say the same thing, namely that the blue stone does not exist because it is not even similar to any type of rock known in nature of this planet!

Therefore it must be an artificial stone. Since, the stone is blue with thin white veins, it was called "Skystone" or "Stone of Heaven".

Its composition was found to be more than 77% oxygen, along with traces of carbon, silicon, calcium and sodium.
The composition makes the "skystone" similar to a kind of concrete or stucco, and seems to have been artificially colored. The natives living in the area where the stone was found, already knew about its existence because this stone-like artifact used to jump out during the diggings of holes in the ground.

Another mystery related to the stone of heaven is that this artifact is always found in soil layers dating to at least 12000 BC. The stone was certainly produced by an unknown, highly advanced civilization lost in time.

Source

I tend to think this is plausible. When we excavate a site, we look for all kinds of things, and tend to find anything written or carved as extremely valuable. Our civilization is "carving" and "writing" less. We are beginning to read on electronic tablets rather than books. Our information, our entertainment, our music - mostly produced digitally now. So no need for albums, tapes, cassettes, etc. We bury much of our garbage. My point is we are moving away from today's artifacts as the world continues to move through the digital age. Thousands of years from now, there may be no books. Older tapes will have disintegrated. My point is the more we rely on technology, the less our history will actually be written down. So if something catastrophic happens two thousand years from now, when the huge data centers are destroyed - all of that history will be lost for all time.

So I can see that there may have been a highly advanced civilization that remains elusive to us. Maybe they went down a similar path and there is precious little for us to "discover". It would be cool to see how a similarly intelligent being evolved. What types of places did they live in? What modes of transportation did they invent? Discovering something like this would be on par to discovering ET.

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Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
Yes, good catch OP.

For some reason the PTB would like us all to believe that no civilizations existed before about 10,000 BC or about 12,000 years ago. I'm not sure what it is with that date.

For example, carbon dating has shown artifacts found in and around the recently discovered Bosnian pyraminds are 30,000 to 40,000 years old.

bpblognews.blogspot.ca...

Yet if you do a quick Google search on the Bosnia pyramid, the top dozen or so search hits you see the number 12,000 years repeatedly - it's almost as if the PTB want us brainwashed into thinking nothing existed civilizations wise before 12,000 years ago.

Why? Also, why wasn't the Bosnian pyramid huge news? I didn't hear about until years after they discovered it - and the thing is many times larger than the Egyptian pyramids.

I think the reason is this:

Proof of high-tech civilizations 30,000 or 100,000 years ago is proof these ancient civilizations were being helped by friendly ET's - hence proof that ET's are around and in contact with us - a secret they are still attempting to supress but the battle is being lost.

edit on 18-6-2012 by PlanetXisHERE because: spelling

Can you explain why proof of a high-tech ancient civilization is proof of contact with ET? Isn't it possible that mankind, either through natural disaster or through self-inflicted disaster - reboots every 30 to 50 thousand years? And through natural progression and evolution, they re-discover fire, the wheel, and further advances that branch out from what we invented? Maybe their autos looked totally different - used different fuel, different tires (not rubber), just different technology in general?

I think that's more likely than "ET visited ancient man but not modern man". (BTW I do believe they are out there - I just wonder why they would step in and "help" us out like we were underprivileged children.)

Originally posted by flashtrum

edit on 18-6-2012 by PlanetXisHERE because: spelling

Can you explain why proof of a high-tech ancient civilization is proof of contact with ET? Isn't it possible that mankind, either through natural disaster or through self-inflicted disaster - reboots every 30 to 50 thousand years? And through natural progression and evolution, they re-discover fire, the wheel, and further advances that branch out from what we invented? Maybe their autos looked totally different - used different fuel, different tires (not rubber), just different technology in general?

I think that's more likely than "ET visited ancient man but not modern man". (BTW I do believe they are out there - I just wonder why they would step in and "help" us out like we were underprivileged children.)

You're right - I should ammend that to say possible proof, and I think I said that somewhere else.

My main point is that it raises many uncomfortable questions for science and religion; many ideas would have to be examined and many texts would have to be re-written.

Originally posted by Thunderheart
I can debunk this thread with one word;

PLASTIC

show me the 400 year old plastic soda bottle, then we'll talk.

des.nh.gov...

If we accept that ET's technologies would be different, why wouldn't an advanced civilization that evolved in a different time be different? Maybe they invented bottles that dissolved, or used a durable solution that was also bio-degradable.

Originally posted by vkey08
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Excellent rant and to the point, one comment, no slaves the evidence from the builder villages shows they were skilled craftsman and artisans, now the bulk of the muscle power probably came from the peasants who were conscripted by a type of corvee system probably when the Nile flood made agricultural work impossible.

I tend to agree in general with what is being said here. Recently, I have been listening to some of the podcasts at thehighersidechats.com where lecturers and investigators on this and other related subjects, discuss with the host some of their alternative theories. The latest podcast was with Pat Chouinard, a researcher on ancient civilizations. I found his ideas and theories to be very plausible. Listening to these podcasts and reading some of the opinions and thoughts on ATS, has really forced me to open up my mind to a whole new way of thinking, one that has all but shattered so many of the beliefs and ideas I was brought up with. Check it out.