An Extremely High Tech Civilization Definitely Existed In The Distant Past Of Our Planet

Originally posted by SquirrelNutz
reply to post by Hanslune

 

reply to post by Xaphan

 

Certainly, Hanslune, that is true to some extent.

Or, alternatively, it would be the fear that 85% of the world's religious population would instantly be thrown into chaos (worse than it is now... politically, economically, militarily, etc)

Er why? In the 19th century 'religious people' found out the world was millions and later billions of years old versus 6k or other dates, they also found out they had evolved and not been created, earlier forms of stories that were suppose to have been given by god to hebrew writers were in fact found to be copies of earlier Sumerian stories, the earth was found to orbit the sun and not vice versa.....that's a lot of shocks, and I don't recall world wide panics when they occurred

Exactly why would they 'panic' and for what reason? The Aztecs, Tibetans, Japanese, Tahitians, Maya, and Inca certainly didn't panic when the Europeans showed up

like the first poster to reply stated... out-of-place-artifacts are the cream separated from the milk...


going around trying to prove that 'Advanced' civilization was already here some 100,000 years ago
is a pipe dream & a losing endeavor...


It has been said in hundreds of legends . myths. folklore... that before this present AGE
that is technological & relies on machines/chemistry/science

There was an era when 'Magic' was the prominent source of lifestyles and abundance..
.
Magic and the Psyche/Spiritual oriented way-of-life did not need electronics nor computer directed machines to provide a thriving quality of life for that population...so looking for Industrial sites preserved from Antiquity in frozen glaciers of Antarctica is a waste of time...

the AGE of Magic also had Alchemy, the counterprt of modern science...

no need for Jets nor cell phones nor Television.... the populations had already mastered Astral Projection/remote viewing & Telepathy & Teleportation and did not need MDs in hospitals with MRI's /CAT Scans to do a prognosis on an imdividuals malady or affliction....


We are trying to re-capture those heady days when menkind were as gods... but using technology to do so


thanks

reply to post by St Udio


The golden age is a nice idea but runs into a problem. We have excavation that go back hundreds of the thousands of years - there is no sign of this 'niceness', what we see is people working very hard, taking damage from disease, violence and hard work and dying relatively young while using stone, bone and wooden tools.

I hope that this is relevant. My knowlege is that of a stonemason, not any old stonemason but somebody who has embraced their craft fully. I have worked at some time or other just about every type of natural stone on the planet.
I was drawn to this thread because of the title "An Extremely High Tech Civilization Definitely Existed In The Distant Past Of Our Planet"

My interest is the ancient stonemasonry of south america and egypt. I became a contributor and started a thread at the JREF site asking for explainations as to how the masonry at Puma Punku and other similar places was manufactured.

Because I disagreed with the accepted consensus on these subjects, I have taken a beating. However, in the face of my practical knowlege and skill sets, nobody could offer a methodology that would stand up to serious scrutiny on my part.

Jean-Pierre Protzen postulated theories, no more and carried out small experiments which he suggested "May" have been a method, but only with andesite, not granite. He also has stated that he cannot understand how the ancients carved such sharp returns, sharp angles in blind masonry without the use of advanced or modern type power tools.

I agree with him, but on the JREF forum things got very nasty indeed when I postulated the impossibilty of the claimed use of sand and copper drills and saws and hammer stones to produce masonry which would be difficult to produce today.

In the end, most resorted to name calling because I could not and would not offer a theory for the sake of it and this was interprated wrongly as an indicator of my lack of experience or knowlege, or understanding of the subject.

I know my subject as well as any person on earth, my simple point to them was, "Why isn't an experienced, practical, time served, skilled stonemason ever consulted" I believe that advanced tools were used in the manufacture of some of our most enigmatic monuments, but a race to know first has led to a situation where it has been a race to be "wrong" first unfortunatley.

I just wondered if anybody had any views on this subject.

Interesting artifact by the way, hope it's not a hoax

I used to believe in ancient technological civilizations. Then I opened my eyes to the evidence. Which is nearly zero. I have found 2 OOPARTS in my life, and there are other way to explain them than one thinks. The first object was a cheap necklace I found in a chunk of coal I dug out of the ground. It was extremely cheap. The type one finds in a bubblegum machine for a quarter. But it was there, embedded in the coal about 15ft back in a mountain whee no one had ever dug. Weird. The other was a roofing tack. What is so out of place about a roofing tack? Well, I was bored one day and playing with my grinder and was grinding rocks out of the yard. I ground one rock and hit a spot that was too hard to grind. I kept grinding where it would grind and in the end I had a roofing tack shaped piece of rock that would not grind away anymore. The rock is about 600,000,000 years old. There was no life then to speak of, how did that happen?

What I believe is not that we had any advanced tech here on Earth. White people came here from another planet and brought artifacts with them. They did not build any of it here. The artifacts wore out and got lost over the years so we have the occasional thing that should not be. Battlestar Galactica (the new series, not the old one) is more history then fiction. At least the last episode is. That explains everything. I mean everything. And the evidence more than supports it.

Had the human rave ever reached the level we are at today there would be more than a dozen out of place things. There would be infrastructure left. Obvious infrastructure. None of which is found anywhere. It would be, had it happened. 100,000 years from now there will still be a ton of evidence from today. Even if we all died tomorrow.

reply to post by Ookie


Ok, I don't want to start the alien, ufo thing off here, but my opinion is that attempts have been made to technologically "Jump start" the human race by other exterior influences.

I think that this explains the existence of very astronomicaly, and scientificly advanced cultures and races through history who seem to have been sparked into being. I think that this interference if you like has gone on througout mankinds history and we now we are just the latest "Sucessful?" manifestation.

The kingdom of Rome just dissipated, previous creations died and why?

reply to post by stevemac1


Welcome to the Ancient and lost civilizations forum

Yes I did see and participated in the JREF forum thread.

Considering the subject you might want to consider starting your own thread but you can certainly use this thread unless the OP objects.

Originally posted by Hanslune


AorAki is it correct to include the pollen record as part of sedimentation or should it be addressed as a separate entity?

Seeing as 'palaeo pollen' is found in sediments it is generally combined into sedimentation, although the discipline of palynology (pure) is an entity unto itself. Sediment analysis is definitely taken into account in palynology as swamps, lakes etc are cored. Some will argue that it should be kept separate, but I consider it to be closely-aligned with sedimentology (when applied to 'palaeo pollen'). It is a sediment of sorts

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
Yes, good catch OP.

For some reason the PTB would like us all to believe that no civilizations existed before about 10,000 BC or about 12,000 years ago. I'm not sure what it is with that date.

For example, carbon dating has shown artifacts found in and around the recently discovered Bosnian pyraminds are 30,000 to 40,000 years old.

bpblognews.blogspot.ca...

Yet if you do a quick Google search on the Bosnia pyramid, the top dozen or so search hits you see the number 12,000 years repeatedly - it's almost as if the PTB want us brainwashed into thinking nothing existed civilizations wise before 12,000 years ago.

Why? Also, why wasn't the Bosnian pyramid huge news? I didn't hear about until years after they discovered it - and the thing is many times larger than the Egyptian pyramids.

I think the reason is this:

Proof of high-tech civilizations 30,000 or 100,000 years ago is proof these ancient civilizations were being helped by friendly ET's - hence proof that ET's are around and in contact with us - a secret they are still attempting to supress but the battle is being lost.

edit on 18-6-2012 by PlanetXisHERE because: spelling

I am willing to bet that the reason goes more like this:



Any findings of this type serve specifically as evidence disproving the teachings on the creation of Man as it is written in the Holy Bible. They fear that this information can possibly lead to the eventual downfall of Christianity.

Originally posted by aorAki

Originally posted by Hanslune


AorAki is it correct to include the pollen record as part of sedimentation or should it be addressed as a separate entity?

Seeing as 'palaeo pollen' is found in sediments it is generally combined into sedimentation, although the discipline of palynology (pure) is an entity unto itself. Sediment analysis is definitely taken into account in palynology as swamps, lakes etc are cored. Some will argue that it should be kept separate, but I consider it to be closely-aligned with sedimentology (when applied to 'palaeo pollen'). It is a sediment of sorts

Hey, I don't want to step on the toes of any enraged knife wielding palynologist then!

reply to post by Firewater


That doesn't really work we found a number of civs that the Bible had no clue about, Aztecs, Inca, Maya, Chinese, Harappa, Sumerian, Minoan, etc

The Bosnians 'pyramids' are not accepted because they aren't, fairly simple actually

Oh a significant minority of archaeologists are not religious and a large minority are not Christian

reply to post by Hanslune


Starting my own thread on this subject is the way to go, but I have to make a number of posts first. This seemed not a bad place to start.

Do you have any particular points of view on PP, etc?

reply to post by stevemac1


Yes, I'm the one who mentioned Jean Protzen on Jref. If you like I can start a thread for you. What title would you like?

Originally posted by Firewater

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
Yes, good catch OP.

For some reason the PTB would like us all to believe that no civilizations existed before about 10,000 BC or about 12,000 years ago. I'm not sure what it is with that date.

For example, carbon dating has shown artifacts found in and around the recently discovered Bosnian pyraminds are 30,000 to 40,000 years old.

bpblognews.blogspot.ca...

Yet if you do a quick Google search on the Bosnia pyramid, the top dozen or so search hits you see the number 12,000 years repeatedly - it's almost as if the PTB want us brainwashed into thinking nothing existed civilizations wise before 12,000 years ago.

Why? Also, why wasn't the Bosnian pyramid huge news? I didn't hear about until years after they discovered it - and the thing is many times larger than the Egyptian pyramids.

I think the reason is this:

Proof of high-tech civilizations 30,000 or 100,000 years ago is proof these ancient civilizations were being helped by friendly ET's - hence proof that ET's are around and in contact with us - a secret they are still attempting to supress but the battle is being lost.

edit on 18-6-2012 by PlanetXisHERE because: spelling

I am willing to bet that the reason goes more like this:



Any findings of this type serve specifically as evidence disproving the teachings on the creation of Man as it is written in the Holy Bible. They fear that this information can possibly lead to the eventual downfall of Christianity.

While other major religions may be able to survive these types of discoveries, Christianity specifically relies on its followers complete faith and belief in what they have been taught. They run a tight ship and allow for VERY little wiggle room. Every "fact" that becomes discredited as being more than likely "fiction", does damage to the very foundation on which it has been built.

Originally posted by Firewater

While other major religions may be able to survive these types of discoveries, Christianity specifically relies on its followers complete faith and belief in what they have been taught. They run a tight ship and allow for VERY little wiggle room. Every "fact" that becomes discredited as being more than likely "fiction", does damage to the very foundation on which it has been built.

Islam comes from the same root, same god and all that......

There is, despite the Pope hopes, no central authority for 'Christianity'. A pyramid building culture in Bosnia circa 12,000-5,000 years ago is no threat to any tenet of Christianity that I'm aware of. Science has done a 'number' on Christianity already and with the loss of state sanctioned religion it is slowly declining and like all religion fragmenting faster and faster.

Originally posted by Hanslune
reply to post by St Udio

 

The golden age is a nice idea but runs into a problem. We have excavation that go back hundreds of the thousands of years - there is no sign of this 'niceness', what we see is people working very hard, taking damage from disease, violence and hard work and dying relatively young while using stone, bone and wooden tools.

Well those excavations and studies of the finds were of all the 'savage' communities which surrounded the very few 'Oasis' of purely Magical people...
these communities of people that lived in a Magic Paradigm were scattered all over the planet but were surrounded by the crude & vulgar people that bred like rats


Touche'

Originally posted by Hanslune


Hey, I don't want to step on the toes of any enraged knife wielding palynologist then!

...not to forget the spatula or the Hydrofluoric Acid!

I notice a lot of people insisting plenty of evidence would be evident 100's of thousands of years later. My point is, what if the civilizations were MILLIONS or even BILLIONS of years ago?

Originally posted by St Udio

Well those excavations and studies of the finds were of all the 'savage' communities which surrounded the very few 'Oasis' of purely Magical people...
these communities of people that lived in a Magic Paradigm were scattered all over the planet but were surrounded by the crude & vulgar people that bred like rats


Touche'

Or they were just imaginary.....

Parry, riposte and disarm

reply to post by AndyMayhew


Okay that's a good point. But that still doesn't address the fact that such a civilization must not necessarily be using plastic. In fact there is no good reason to assume that another advanced civilization would use something like plastic. Perhaps these ancients were in fact smart enough to realize the advantage of using only biodegradable materials. So as not to disturb the natural functioning of the ecosystem.