An Extremely High Tech Civilization Definitely Existed In The Distant Past Of Our Planet

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
Lots of cute little sayings, all meaningless.

Thanks for proving my point...

Those on ATS that ignore what is in front of them is ALL the proof we need.

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its described as an answer because this was sent?



kinda like this one..

Pioneer 10 “Message from Mankind”

How did they already respond

"they" are closer than you obviously think..

guess you just have to be lucky to see one...

or go outside more...

end of line

Maybe the plug was just that- a plug to mount something. Not used for electricity.


the blue stone came from smurf land. We still to this day can not find smurf land.

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I know what was sent, it was mostly using mathematics to tell them something about us. Why would a logical response to that be drawing a human face somewhere? It's not.

Originally posted by wmd_2008

Originally posted by Hanslune
Oh lovely

The problem with such claims is no way to verify them.

......by the way the individual Angelo Pytoni wasn't an archaeologist...he was lots of things but not an archaeologist


Granite with a modern looking electronic thingy stuck into a hole cut into it....I would suggest looking up how granite is created

Skystone, there are claims that it was analysized by x, y and z laboratory. Okay lets see these studies and the statements by said laboraties?

Its easy to make claims, it takes a bit more effort to substantiate them

The problem is you are on a conspiracy site so the bulk of the members believe things they read without question if it is a subject they have an interest in (a few on here are obsessed)

The prime example is the granite above,people reading the OP with an interest in this subject will say thats proof but have forgot how granite is formed or didn't even know in the first place!

Granite is formed when magma (molten rock) is forced between other rocks in the Earth's crust. It cools and crystallizes deep underground

Must have been the magma people that use a 3 pin plug

What logic did you use to come up with the idea that the 3-pronged object was embedded into the rock while it was still forming?

Surely you don't think granite is ALWAYS molten, do you?

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Either it was placed there, making it a hoax, or the granite formed around it, which you just agreed is rediculous, exactly his point. You just agreed this is a hoax.

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Sorry but on this video you posted go to 1:12



The image you see of the diamond shape is typical of and OUT OF FOCUS light when people use autofocus on their video cameras.

Now just to prove the point watch the video from 1:45 look at the moon as he starts to zoom the left hand side starts to form the diamond shape as it goes out of focus!!! Or do you think the moon is a giant diamond shaped ufo as well

Originally posted by knowledgedesired
There are more than a few objects discovered that are "out of place" when it comes to history and dating items. The beauty is whenever we don't know where it came from "Aliens" put it there and when TPTB don't want us to know where it comes from carbon dating is not viable to date the artifacts or they just disappear without being discussed.

How is anyone ever supposed to figure anything out when every direction you turn is lies, coverups and dis-information. I guess they are winning and the sad part is even though someone at the top thinks they know everything the truth of the matter is they don't because there are tons of missing pieces to the puzzle scattered all over the world.

The next time you meet someone in a "secret society" let them know how disgusted you are with them. It is because these people are all holding back their tiny piece of the puzzle for themselves and not for humanity.

People are all the same no matter how much our leaders at the top want us to think we are different.

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I am not in any secret society or anything. I don't have time for that, what with making sure i raise the best sons on the planet while being the best husband on the planet (well....at least trying to). But I have studied all of The Mysteries prodigiously, and know more about being a Mason than most Masons do (at least, according to several of the Masons here on ATS ).

The "secrets" that are held by The Mysteries (be they Masons, Rosicrucians, or other mystics) are not secrets in so much as insights. The "information" they hold is right in front of your eyes, dangling an inch from your nose. The problem is, you lack the insight, context, and understanding to see them. They aren't a big secret, but rather an obvious truth that is ignored by lesser people.

This isn't to say that individuals along the way haven't misused knowledge, or hoarded information. Like any group, there are bad seeds found within The Mysteries. And I would not be at all surprised if there were some hidden information among the the various secret societies. But for the types of hidden things you seek, you are looking for larger and more public institutions like The Vatican.

Originally posted by benrl
Ooparts are constantly ignored, things found in coal and rock that just shouldn't be there...

My question is why Aliens, why is it always aliens? Is it so improbable advanced humans civ rose and fell before the current one?

No need to add aliens into it at all.

I think if most people would just understand the term 'Alien' to mean 'not this iteration of human' - then, we'd all be better off. "Alien" does not (necessarily) mean green men from another planet, but certainly 'alien' to us/our understanding.

I consider "Alien" an all encompassing term for the follwing:
- Not Human - at least, our current version/iteration of it
- Not of this world - actually from another place (perhaps our ancestors, maybe not)
- An ancient (and perhaps, advanced) civilization that survived at some other point in our planet's past
- Simply, science from the past that has (or can-)not been discovered or explained by modern scientists.

Fascinating, nonetheless. S&F

Originally posted by Hanslune

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE

Originally posted by Hanslune

A world wide civilization to be erased would require a natural event(s) that would easily show up in the geological record.....

What kind of event are you talking about?

Comet hit

Multiple super volcanos

Rapid ice age or warm up

etc

There is evidence for such a scenario, well more than evidence - hard proof is probably more accurate a term. The smallest degree of study reveals multiple occasions across a broad range of Earth history where cataclysm and catastrophe have caused devastation and massive loss of life, both flora and fauna.

Most schoolchildren are routinely made aware of the more well known of the 'happenings' you give as examples.

There is ample proof in the geologic and archaeological record for all of those events in fact, so of course it is an entirely legitimate proposition to speculate on or indeed suspect that any hypothetical ancient, high technology civilisation, having existed and flourished tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands or even millions of years ago could easily have been wiped off the Earth in the relative blink of an eye, leaving little or no trace of ever having been here at all.

Depending on the flexibility of one's point of view, especially of the type of thinker who refuse to seriously contemplate any deviation from established paradigms (which is fine, if that's your inclination), there is a fairly recent candidate timeframe for just such a cataclysm, together with proof of a worldwide destruction of habitats and environments of many species, and evidence (not necassarily proof...yet) which would have almost certainly severely hindered any Human civilisation living at the time, high tech or low tech.

Accepted recently is that either asteroid(s), meteorite(s) or comet(s) struck the Earth in multiple locations across the globe, possibly a single very large body fragmenting in the upper atmosphere and then striking across a large percentage of the surface, around 13,000 years ago...virtually just yesterday in geological terms.

These impacts are proven and backed up with hard, physical evidence of the impacts themselves, but also of the effects on the Earth's environment and biosphere in general.

The timeframe, interestingly enough is thought to coincide with the rapid end of the last major ice age (13,000 - 15,000 Years ago, and a subsequent and also relatively rapid beginning of a new 'mini ice age' named as 'The Younger Dryas', a period of cold thought to have lasted around 1000 - 1600 years.

I can easily picture a scenario of extreme heat and from multiple impacts and resulting geologic effects, rapid ending of the ice age and flash melting of the ice sheets, massive worldwide flooding, followed by enormous amounts of dust, debris and CO2 thrown into the atmosphere, blocking the sunlight (and photosynthesis) causing the entry into 'The Younger Dryas' mini ice age.

This event certainly would have wiped out or severly retarded the survival of any civilisation around at the time, the 'Clovis People' are thought to have disappeared as a result of the impacts, and who knows how many others may have been obliterated at the same time, or how many struggled on and went extinct during the hardships to survive that would have followed?

This is just one event of this type among many, many other throughout Earth history, it's certain to have happened to Humans before at some point, and it's certain to happen again...hopefully the next time around, we'll be sufficiently technological to be able to prevent the destruction to our civilisations and planet...having said that, perhaps the last time this happened, 13,000 years ago they tried too, only to fragment the asteroid and disperse the damage around the world?

I am currently researching and writing about just such a scenario, but it's early days yet and the amount of information needed to be researched is enormous, but an 'ancient high tech Humanity' is certainly not as outlandish an idea as it might initially appear to be.

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
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I know what was sent, it was mostly using mathematics to tell them something about us. Why would a logical response to that be drawing a human face somewhere? It's not.

Presumably, the reply wouldn't be coming from a Human being employing Human logic, math based or not.

Human logic dictates Math is a Universal language...you see the potential problem of course?

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The problem is to associate x natural disaster with a y civilization(s). No earthwide destroying natural events have occurred, during 'our' timeframe - which would have been capable of destroying a world-wide civilization.

A small one perhaps but there is no evidence to support that contention.

To get to 'earth destroying' you have to go back to before human's and perhaps even mammals.....

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posted on 26-2-2011 @ 09:28 PM this post OK- I see that you guys like the mysterious world unwrapping before our eyes.Now let me tell you about the mother of all mysteries subjects with a direct tie into the Bucegi mountains discovery.
And this is not speculation or hypothesis it is REAL.
The story begins in the the area which by today description is the Transylvanian Plateau,near the city Of Aiud.
During the excavations done in the local sand pit in 1973 (for construction purposes) the workers discovered 3 objects "wrapped " in the petrified compressed sand .The "Wrapped" look is normal because they were discovered at a depth of aprox 10 meters ( 33 feet) and excavated from the bank.For how long the objects were there nobody knows but one thing is for sure - for a river to create a 10 Meters (33 feet) thick sediment it takes a long time actually a very very long time.
A specialist was called on the site and he identified the objects as follows : two of the objects were fossils of animal origin and the third one appeared to be a stone axe which they assumed it helped the primitive man to kill the animal of which bones were found near.
For a better and more in depth evaluation these objects were sent to the researchers from the city of Cluj Napoca.
After carefully "unwrapping" the objects from the petrified sand cover the researchers from Cluj city discovered that the animal fossils belonged to a young mastodon ( mammals that look like today elephants but lived until about 800 000 to 1000 000 years ago) and the object was found to be not a stone axe - was not even stone it was METAL. So what you will say .Well the story just begins so hold on to your hats !!!
Ok let's move on.
A more detailed analysis of the object revealed more interesting and unbelievable facts.
The objects had 2 cylindrical holes of different sizes done in such way that the hole with the smaller diameter perpendicular penetrated the base of the other cylindrical hole.The larger hole base was oval as it was done by a shaft with a rounded head part with which it appeared to have been assembled.The object has surface marks that indicates strong and repeated strikes some of them very powerful. All the details suggest that the object was part of a larger functional assemble and that the object was lost in the river bank because of an undetermined reason.
Now the juicy part...
REPEATED metal analysis will provide more questions than answers and the questions were huge.
The analysis spreadsheet provided by ICPMMN (Magurele research institute) showed that the metal composition of the object was in fact a complex alloy made from 12 elements and the that 89% of the alloy was ALUMINUM.
The other components were found to be :Silicone 2.84% , Zinc 1.81%, Lead 0.41% ,Tin 0.33% ,Zirconium 0.2% ,Cadmium 0.0024%,Cobalt 0.0023% ,Bismuth - 0.0003%,Silver 0.0002% and Gallium traces.
SOOO the Object is basically made from ALUMINUM - and why is this so important you will ask?
Because the age of the object was established to be 250000 years old !!!

BECAUSE ALUMINUM WAS DISCOVERED IN 1825 BY OERSTED IN HIS LAB AND THE INDUSTRIAL USE OF ALUMINUM BEGAN IN 1883
BECAUSE CADMIUM WAS DISCOVERED IN 1817 - NICKEL IN 1751 - BISMUTH IN 1753 AND COBALT IN 1735

Did I got your attention now? I guess i did :-)






So what exactly is so mysterious about this object which in our days it

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I agree what if our civilization simply disappeared or blew itself to bits and thousands of years ago the cycle started over with mankind restarting the process? I'm sure there would be some artifacts left that they might consider to be unworldly. If the earth is millions of years old somehow the idea doesn't seem so far fetched

Originally posted by lme7898354
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I agree what if our civilization simply disappeared or blew itself to bits and thousands of years ago the cycle started over with mankind restarting the process? I'm sure there would be some artifacts left that they might consider to be unworldly. If the earth is millions of years old somehow the idea doesn't seem so far fetched

Except, that 'The earth retains'......if you drive a wooden stake into sediment (dirt) and that dirt is not eroded away. It will turn into rock many millions of years later - the mark from the stake will last until the stone is subducted -hundreds if not billions of years later. A civilization like our present one would be easily detectable for 10's of millions of years later - based on the how we modify the earth.....the later people might just notice all the imperishable stuff laying around and the occassional kilometers long tunnels thorough granite....

Originally posted by Hanslune
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..... No earthwide destroying natural events have occurred, during 'our' timeframe - which would have been capable of destroying a world-wide civilization....

No sh:t?! Kinda self-evident, no?

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Originally posted by Hanslune
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..... No earthwide destroying natural events have occurred, during 'our' timeframe - which would have been capable of destroying a world-wide civilization....

No sh:t?! Kinda self-evident, no?

Yes, but that 'range' is about 8 million years

I find this subject very interesting. The fact that there could have been advanced ancient civilizations is very intriguing. There's just one thing I want to know, though... why do so many of you say that the government is hiding the evidence? Why would they care if we knew about ancient civilizations having advanced technology? It just doesn't make sense that they would try to hide something like this, when it wouldn't be a big deal if we knew.

Same goes with the human giants theory. What difference would it make if we knew that there were giant humans roaming the earth at one time? I don't see how it would benefit the government to keep that suppressed.

I'm not a debunker, and I'm not challenging your theories. I'm just genuinely curious about the reasoning behind the government conspiracy aspect.

Originally posted by Xaphan
I find this subject very interesting. The fact that there could have been advanced ancient civilizations is very intriguing. There's just one thing I want to know, though... why do so many of you say that the government is hiding the evidence? Why would they care if we knew about ancient civilizations having advanced technology? It just doesn't make sense that they would try to hide something like this, when it wouldn't be a big deal if we knew.

Same goes with the human giants theory. What difference would it make if we knew that there were giant humans roaming the earth at one time? I don't see how it would benefit the government to keep that suppressed.

I'm not a debunker, and I'm not challenging your theories. I'm just genuinely curious about the reasoning behind the government conspiracy aspect.

You have hit upon the crux of the problem. Believers want to believe this but they cannot find any evidence to support it, since they cannot be wrong the evidence must be somewhere......idea.......blame the government, or evil secret societies, Satan, archaeologists, etc

You are correct there is no government that would be threaten by such revelations, as for religions they are supremely adaptable and would do as they have always done, change.

Remember too this has happened before; science found the Sumerians, the Harappa, the Minoans, without the world collapsing. Non-scientist found the new world with the Maya, Aztecs and Inca - still no world collapse and at one point the Chinese came to the realization that they were not the center of the world and those pesky barbarians had steam ships!

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Certainly, Hanslune, that is true to some extent.

Or, alternatively, it would be the fear that 85% of the world's religious population would instantly be thrown into chaos (worse than it is now... politically, economically, militarily, etc)