Why I (a black woman) left the Democratic Party

No real black person would leave the democratic party.. Uncle tom meets Aunt Pam shall we??

Don't believe this story AT ALL.

Originally posted by benrl
Im Hispanic, was raised in a "democrats" household, I left after Obama got the primary. Now I am registered republican, but honestly I lean Dem on some issues and Rep on other.

I can't see voting for either in the upcoming elections, don't know what ill vote.

No one party represents even 50 % of what I believe.

edit on 16-6-2012 by benrl because: (no reason given)

That would make you a libertarian....in that case....

reply to post by MrXYZ


The message wasn't for you anyway...what makes one journalist more worthy than another......He's more truthful than Maddow or Mathews.....

Originally posted by ManicDepresive1
Now I do not lean toward any political party but wasn't it Clinton who enacted welfare reform ? Hes a democrat I think.
Yes here it is .......(quoted from wikipedia)

Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (PRWORA)

The bill was a cornerstone of the Republican Contract with America and was introduced by Rep. E. Clay Shaw, Jr. (R-FL-22) who believed welfare was partly responsible for bringing immigrants to the United States.[1] Bill Clinton signed PRWORA into law on August 22, 1996

The bill's primary requirements and effects included the following:

Ending welfare as an entitlement program;
Requiring recipients to begin working after two years of receiving benefits;
Placing a lifetime limit of five years on benefits paid by federal funds;
Aiming to encourage two-parent families and discouraging out-of-wedlock births.
Enhancing enforcement of child support.
So it looks like both parties wanted the system fixed and worked TOGETHER to make the bill pass.

I only post this because I see the good and bad in both parties, so to bash the Dems on this is somewhat unfair in my opinon.
Deny Ignorance.....have a good day.

Correct me if I am wrong, butI did some checking on Clinton's 'Welfare Reform", and it appears that this was the beginning of higher taxes in order pay for:

Gas vouchers (so the women could to work)
free bus passes (so the women could get to work)
free childcare (so the women could get to work)
and increasing size of the section 8 vouchers

This actually created the 'welfare queen'.

ButterCookies op really got the liberal racism coming to the surface...glad everyone gets to see it.....how dare you black people dare to leave your democratic masters after all they have done for you!!!

Keep showing your true colors the world needs to finally see it!

reply to post by ButterCookie


Uh no, the term "Welfare Queen" was invented in the 80's when Reagan ran for office. They existed long before Clinton. But, since i am generous I will give you the traditional GOP talking point on this-Welfare reform happened because the GOP congress forced Clinton to sign it.

There, you can say thank you now.

Originally posted by mrballistic
No real black person would leave the democratic party.. Uncle tom meets Aunt Pam shall we??

Don't believe this story AT ALL.

edit on 17-6-2012 by mrballistic because: (no reason given)

Why not? It is certainly a plausible story.....and whats the matter? Black people can't work for a living? Its because I'm white isn't it.......

What the OP said is very true not just for Blacks, but for Indians, Eskimos, Latinos, .....enter preferred ethnic demographic here.

This country America makes a living on propping up minorities under false pretenses under a victimization clause. Because of this line of Bull Poo that they feed to them they honestly believe that leeching of the Government teet is ok and that they will never have to work a day in their life.

They are brainwashed to believe the hype without fully realizing their fullest potential as a human being.

Black women are hot....sorry.....I have a thing for women that aren't white...........republican black women are even hotter......grrrrr

Originally posted by Schrödinger
reply to post by ButterCookie

 

Why I (a white man) is responding to your thread!

I find it awkward and nonconstructive that you focus so much on race.
Race is really just an issue for black people!
What legitimacy to an argument does bringing up the pigmentation of ones skin bring to it?

Wow.

This is not a 'race-dividing' thread.

I am simply discussing a controversial topic that especially with the black community. It is fact that most blacks look down on Black Republicans, the very same way they look down on you if you are black and not religious.

I brought this topic to the light to show reality about the democratic party and to share some knowledge about the Republican party, the party of which most blacks NEVER consider because of racial bias.

Originally posted by spinalremain
Only a person fabricating this scenario would include statements such as "girl, I don't work!", in an attempt to make the situation sound authentic.
This lingo, learned from 10 minutes of The Parkers probably, was so obviously used to draw us in and think it really happened.

In reality the OP would simply say her friend doesn't work and is proud of it. Why did she recevie a tax return anyway?

 

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Lol.

I quoted the comments of the conversation because we TALK that way down south, especially black women.

We call each other 'girl' all the time. It also helped in making the post lively, as I know it was a long read.

reply to post by ButterCookie


The entire voting for either party is a big sham, to give the people an illusion of freedom.

We are all slave now to the large corporations.



Democrat/Repubican are just different sides to the same exact coin.

We need some real change and it ain't gonna happen just yet.

Originally posted by stanats
reply to post by ButterCookie

 

You seem to be totally obsessed with politics, to the point that it has taken over your life and you have joined that group of very annoying people that posts on a forum that has nothing to do with politics. You will therefore be far more at home as a Republican than as a Democrat

A black person becoming more 'politically aware' is

OBSESSED WITH POLITICS??

Ok, "I apologize massa....I's won't do no moe reading bout politics n' stuff...I's leave dat to smart white folks like you......."

Wow, the truth will set you free.

Both parties have changed over the years, both becoming more extreme.

But obvious to the most casual observer the path we are on is not sustainable.

Originally posted by Flatfish
reply to post by ButterCookie

 

IMO, you should not quit studying your history, at least not until you get to the part where the Republican & Democratic parties swapped roles. Those states that fought against slavery were indeed Republican at the time, but in case you hadn't noticed, they're blue states now. The states that made up the south or Confederacy which supported legal slavery were indeed Democratic at the time, but they're red states now.

The Democrats of old, that you describe as supporting slavery and creating the KKK, are now the Republican party and vise versa. If you don't believe me, I challenge you to find and identify one member of any neo-nazi group or offshoot of the KKK that describes themselves as a member of the democratic party. I can tell you right now, it ain't gonna happen.

It's your right to vote however you want to and I respect that, but I think you have your apples and oranges mixed up.

On another note, I thank you for your military service and I have a question unrelated to the topic of your post regarding your use of the "ooo-rah" statement. I have never served in the military but I always thought that the marine slogan was "Hua" which was an acronym for "heard, understood & acknowledged," was I wrong?

In actuality, there is very little difference in the party makeup from 1860 and present.

Perhaps you should read history a bit closer rather than go by college entry level or high school propaganda.
The Republican Party in 1860 was recently formed by the former leaders of the Whig Party, the "elite", pro-business and banking party. So party leadership was dominated by industrialists and bankers. There was also a strong "Free-soil" contingent. Freesoilers were NOT abolitionists, but middle to low income folks who sought to keep the expanding Western territories out of he hands of Plantation owners because they preferred it be developed for small farmers, small WHITE farmers, that is. In general, Freesoilers opposed abolition, as it represented potential competitors for the arable land out west. And then there were the Abolitionists, by far the smallest contingent of the Republican party. The majority of them were religious extremists, a very strong historical echo of today's Right to Life movement. For most, abolition was not based on liberal ideals but on strong Christianity. To sum up: The republican Party's makeup in 1860 was:

1)Pro-Industrialist and banking forces who made up the establishment and leadership
2)Middle class whites trying to achieve more for themselves
3)Christian extremists

Sound familiar?

The Democratic Party consisted of other working class whites (largely duped) and, in the South, were dominated by elites who held paternalistic views toward blacks. While it may give some folks self righteous chubbies to think that all slaveowners despised and hated blacks, most viewed themselves as protectors of the blacks, as though they were dependent children. Some slaves adopted that view as well.

Since Jefferson, The Democratic party was always seen as the party of the common man and has sporadically risen to the occasion to be so. Support of Civil Rights in the 50s/60s comes to mind. But by creating dependence and justifying it with paternalistis attitudes, it conveys more similarity to its incarnation in the 1860s than many would notice or acknowledge.
While a lot has certainly changed in many ways for both parties, simplifying party makeup and values shows little real difference.
And helps demonstrate that no individual citizen should ever feel any loyalty to a political party. If one chooses one or the other, it should be temporary and only because one thinks it assist one's personal goals.

Originally posted by Darkrunner
reply to post by ButterCookie

 

Semper Fi, Devildog.

-USMC
1994-1998

Errr!!

We served during the same time!!!

Perhaps we went to Oki together??

Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by ButterCookie

 

Uh no, the term "Welfare Queen" was invented in the 80's when Reagan ran for office. They existed long before Clinton. But, since i am generous I will give you the traditional GOP talking point on this-Welfare reform happened because the GOP congress forced Clinton to sign it.

There, you can say thank you now.

Not speaking about the 'term' welfare queen...was speaking about how it made living on welfare even more luxurious.

SO a Real Black Person wants stuff handed to them gimmies and slaves to the gov again reply to post by mrballistic

Both parties are corrupt. What we really need is a public trial, and, if necessary a public execution of the entire congress and senate.

The Republicans are not what Reagan was, and the Democrats are not what JFK was. They have drifted way off to the left and right. You have corruption on the left with unions, corporations and bankers and corruption on the right with corporations and bankers and the defense industry.

As an Independent, I can only watch this circus and shake my head. If a military coup would be impartial and turn over power to people competent to rule, then hell yeah, do it.

reply to post by ofhumandescent


I am seriously interested in why there is backlash that people on ATS get for claiming either party.

America has 2 party systems. The 'independent' party, sadly, does not have enough power to be on the forefront; face it.

A person can be an independent thinker and vote a certain party line too. For example, most people do not align with the entire 'conservative' or 'liberal' way....but they feel more strongly about one party than another. That does not make you a 'sell out'...it makes you American.

Again, I feel that this 'independent party' is fine; its just that people seem to claim that party as a way to rebel against the main party systems, as if they are seeking a party who will poll them to see how they feel on each and every issue, and create a party based on that.

Originally posted by ButterCookie

Originally posted by Darkrunner
reply to post by ButterCookie

 

Semper Fi, Devildog.

-USMC
1994-1998

Errr!!

We served during the same time!!!

Perhaps we went to Oki together??

Nah, never made it to Oki. Wanted to though.

Camp LeJeune and Cherry Point, NC. Did a couple floats in the med that were cool.

Welcome to economic slavery. The difference?

Physical slavery: Work --> food and housing

Economic Slavery: Work --> Money --> Food and housing

Just add the middle man.