Church of England warning on gay marriage

Originally posted by cloudyday

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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The entire context is about people. People teach/carry doctrine.

I wish you wouldn't dismiss this out of hand like that. It's not my idea. If you do a little research, I'm sure you will find somebody you respect who shares the interpretation that I mentioned.

I like to let the Bible interpret the Bible. To take it to Goe in prayer and let His Holy Spirit of truth teach me. It's something He promised to all believers. Problems arise when people DON'T do that and instead rely on others instead of the same Holy Spirit who inspired it to begin with.

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Hello.
This time I sent you a real e-mail.
Peace.
John.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by cloudyday

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by cloudyday

 

The entire context is about people. People teach/carry doctrine.

I wish you wouldn't dismiss this out of hand like that. It's not my idea. If you do a little research, I'm sure you will find somebody you respect who shares the interpretation that I mentioned.

I like to let the Bible interpret the Bible. To take it to Goe in prayer and let His Holy Spirit of truth teach me. It's something He promised to all believers. Problems arise when people DON'T do that and instead rely on others instead of the same Holy Spirit who inspired it to begin with.

That sounds great, but look around and you can see that it doesn't work in practice - many conflicting interpretations of the Bible - all from very devout people asking the Holy Spirit for guidance.

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Maybe in the USA - but in England and Wales, it was governed by the Buggery Act, ironically, brought in by Henry VIII (yes, the guy that formed the Church of England so he could divorce his wife.... so interesting set of priorities there!).

Anyway, that lasted a while, and buggery between a man and a woman was illegal. It later became legal for a man and a woman, and in 1967 it was made legal for two men.

It was much later (1980?) in Scotland.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Who said it was "okay" either? It is what it is. It would be nice to snap the fingers and not have anyone forced into slavery or prostitution, but the real world doesnt operate on Abbra Caddabra be well and prosper. It's unfortunate, but it was the way of life back in ancient times.

You have completely missed my point (deliberately?). Why would God be so concerned with what two people do with their private parts in private, and yet not be too concerned with the suffering of innocent people? It just seems like all his focus should be on the latter and not on the former.

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yip we are a bit behind the times here in scotland thankfully you can still smell the burning witches somedays

Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Who said it was "okay" either? It is what it is. It would be nice to snap the fingers and not have anyone forced into slavery or prostitution, but the real world doesnt operate on Abbra Caddabra be well and prosper. It's unfortunate, but it was the way of life back in ancient times.

You have completely missed my point (deliberately?). Why would God be so concerned with what two people do with their private parts in private, and yet not be too concerned with the suffering of innocent people? It just seems like all his focus should be on the latter and not on the former.

One destroys the family, and you might not have been paying attention. You have to seperate the model we think of when the word "slavery" comes up, the Biblical/ancient model was nothing like that at all. Slaves were well treated, fed, and when they were freed were given the choice of remaining with the family for life and a great many did. They were basically adopted into the family like sons and given portions of the estate. You must separate the American and African model from your mind, and I also said that model was specifically condemned by Paul. Again it needs to be said, in that culture oftentimes freedom simply meant freedom to starve to death.

Originally posted by cloudyday

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by cloudyday

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by cloudyday

 

The entire context is about people. People teach/carry doctrine.

I wish you wouldn't dismiss this out of hand like that. It's not my idea. If you do a little research, I'm sure you will find somebody you respect who shares the interpretation that I mentioned.

I like to let the Bible interpret the Bible. To take it to Goe in prayer and let His Holy Spirit of truth teach me. It's something He promised to all believers. Problems arise when people DON'T do that and instead rely on others instead of the same Holy Spirit who inspired it to begin with.

That sounds great, but look around and you can see that it doesn't work in practice - many conflicting interpretations of the Bible - all from very devout people asking the Holy Spirit for guidance.

edit on 13-6-2012 by cloudyday because: (no reason given)

Why do you think that? My experience is that most people DON'T take it to the Holy Spirit in prayer.

Originally posted by swan001
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Hello.
This time I sent you a real e-mail.
Peace.
John.

I can't find it friend, can you forward it to me again please?

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

Who said it was "okay" either? It is what it is. It would be nice to snap the fingers and not have anyone forced into slavery or prostitution, but the real world doesnt operate on Abbra Caddabra be well and prosper. It's unfortunate, but it was the way of life back in ancient times.

You have completely missed my point (deliberately?). Why would God be so concerned with what two people do with their private parts in private, and yet not be too concerned with the suffering of innocent people? It just seems like all his focus should be on the latter and not on the former.

One destroys the family, and you might not have been paying attention. You have to seperate the model we think of when the word "slavery" comes up, the Biblical/ancient model was nothing like that at all. Slaves were well treated, fed, and when they were freed were given the choice of remaining with the family for life and a great many did. They were basically adopted into the family like sons and given portions of the estate. You must separate the American and African model from your mind, and I also said that model was specifically condemned by Paul. Again it needs to be said, in that culture oftentimes freedom simply meant freedom to starve to death.

edit on 14-6-2012 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)

Oh, so now you are claiming that slavery was a cushy job? I don't think so.

Don't let anybody tell you that biblical slavery was somehow less brutal than slavery in the United States. Without exception, biblical societies were slaveholding societies. The Bible engages remarkably diverse cultures -- Ethiopian, Egyptian, Canaanite, Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Greek, and Roman -- but in every one of them some people owned the rights to others. Slaveowners possessed not only the slaves' labor but also their sexual and reproductive capacities. When the Bible refers to female slaves who do not "please" their masters, we're talking about the sexual use of slaves. Likewise when the Bible spells out the conditions for marrying a slave (see Exodus 21:7-11).

The occupations and experiences of slaves varied greatly. Many performed manual labor in horrid conditions, perhaps living only months after beginning their work. Some highly valued slaves attained wealth and status, a possibility reflected in Genesis' account of Joseph. Perhaps the story of the centurion who highly valued his slave connotes an erotic relationship, likely one-sided (Luke 7:1-10). In all cases the owners' right to use a slave as the owner sees fit, including the right to punish slaves severely, remain unquestioned.

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Homosexuality does NOT hurt families. Fighting, neglect, abuse, divorce -- those things DO hurt families.

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Done.
Remember it's not an U2U, it's a real e-mail.
Freedom and love

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I really wouldn't trust someone anti-Bible for objectivity. Look up what an "indentured servant" and a "bondslave" were. Go to some historians, ones who specialize in Biblical eras. And besides that, Ive made mention now 3 times that the Bible condemns the African version of slavery we are accustomed to here in the United States. It specifically forbids stealing someone to sell them into slavery or buying someone who had been stolen. That practice is outright condemned.

Originally posted by swan001
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Done.
Remember it's not an U2U, it's a real e-mail.
Freedom and love

Done, shoot me your new info for that new email account plz. Thanks bro.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
www.bbc.co.uk...


The Church of England has warned that proposals to legalise gay marriage could undermine its status.

While the home office have said they will not be forced to conduct gay marriages the church says it may be taken to the EU court and will have to conduct them.

Heck it's 2012 the world has moved on and if the church accepts gay people who want to get married I think there will be less homophobia around which can only be good

So come on CoE be a forerunner in religion and let gay people get married

Has nothing to do with homophobia, it has to do with obeying YHWH. It was an abomination to him in Moses' time, it's an abomination to him to this day because the Father does not change, ever. People who choose to do this are ignoring that fact in want of their own lusts.

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Okay, now that that your account has been created I will send you another e-mail.

Pretty amazing watching the christians attempt to justify their bigotry.

Just because it stems from religious scriptures, does not justify nor excuse it. You don't have a license to persecute, it would't be tolerated in any other aspect of social life and should be abolished and outlawed just as racial bigotry was.

Any 'god' that commands such injustice, insanity, and hatred is a worthless being, and worthy of condemnation for ever having existed in the first place.

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Originally posted by metatronobody
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More ignorance.

There is no need to be left handed either.




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