I joined the Communist Party

in theory communism is like a thousand times better than capitalism. but we just arent ready for it yet .

I don't get it... what in the name of gawd can attract someone in the Communist Party in the US??? They surely won't be making any real revolution soon... neither they are likely to get elected.... and for the idea of promoting the communist theory and values, well, you don't need a party for that.

As for the revolution, libertarians, right and left, especially the anarchists, are far more advanced in that domain than the Communist Party is. Socialists too, although in a different direction...

Originally posted by brukernavn
reply to post by Wolf321

 

I agree with you 100%. Communism can ONLY work with a small population.

Any form of centralized government only works on a small geographic scale. This is why nations as large as the United States are so polarized every four years. It is also why the USSR did not work but Norway does. Not to mention Norway's state-owned oil reserves... now that's the way to do it. I almost moved my family there a couple of years ago, actually. Even learned a lot Norsk, hah!

America has been able to hang on to its thread for so long because it started with a heavy emphasis on state rights and was light on federal laws. This has been changing and it is why it will fail (drastically change soon). People like Romney and Obama would suit small nation-states just fine but they always cause turmoil on a large scale. Ron Paul wanted to shift the focus back to states which would have been a great start to healing the nation.

Communism? I don't understand why you would embrace that in Norway. In your nation, you already have the best of communism and have abandoned all of the undesirable parts. You have private enterprise mingles with state-owned natural resources. Norway is more like "Communism 2.0". It works. Why go back to older models?

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Amerikan betyr american på norsk.

Originally posted by Donkey_Dean
reply to post by Citybig

 

Our representative democracy although far from perfect was a champion of freedom and civil liberties for 200+ years! The degradation of our country seems to go hand and hand with the loss of personal liberty and freedom. It seems fraud controls our electoral process and maybe we are lost. It still is, or at least was a more perfect form of goverment!

If the law was truly accountable to the people of America I can assure you that the wars would end! It seems to me that America serves outside interests at this time. Like a puppet on strings!

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Oh right, a champion of freedom and civil liberties, you say?

Any black people on these boards who were alive during the 40's/50's/60's want to tell us about how life was like in the "champion of civil liberties and freedom" USA?

isnt it illegal to be a communist ?lol in america i mean

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by hawkiye

 

Also built on the backs of slave labour. Things like this will happen again under Anarcho capitalism as there are no rules on employment or pay or discrimination. Everyman for himself. Law of the Jungle. It's the ideologies the Bankers and Industrialist would love. get government out of the way so they are free to use and abuse without restriction.

Less the 3% owned slaves in america in its entire history so no not built on the backs of slaves! Anarcho capitalism is not the law of the jungle its freedom. How would bankers and industrialist grow powerful enough to monopolize and abuse without government stifling their competition for them and people choosing not to patronize them if they try?

Stop repeating BS anti-capitalist talking points and read some real history...

Originally posted by brukernavn
reply to post by hawkiye

 

Yes, the US became prosperous after the raping of Europe and Japan during WWII.

Care to back that up with some hard evidence? Ever heard of the Marshall Plan? America pumped billions into Europe to rebuild after the war and after four years the European economies had surpassed their previous economies and enjoyed unprecedented prosperity in their histories for years to come!

America also pumped billions into rebuilding Japan and it became one of the leading economies of the world and first in Asia.

Please stop repeating ridiculous anti-american propaganda you are embarrassing yourselves! America has plenty of things to be angry at her about but WWII is not one of them!

Originally posted by brukernavn
reply to post by Starwise

 

Amerikan betyr american på norsk.

That doesn't stop people from thinking that the extra letters in Norsk are somehow an insult. Just like when they spell "Obama" as "Øbama". They just assume that "Ø" is a replacement for "O"... hegemony at its finest.

I applaud you as well. Most people are too stupid to understand what Communism is really all about. They believe what they "think" they know about it, or what they've been told about it. Most people think Cuba, the USSR, etc. were Communists, when in fact they aren't/weren't. That is what I mean by ignorance.

True Communism is true FREEDOM. If more people understood what it was all about, they would probably join as well. It's unfortunate that so many countries have called themselves Communists, when in fact they were not anything of the sort. If there is a government controlling the nation, they are not Communist, plain and simple. Communism is a state that is reached. It is a process.

Originally posted by hawkiye------------->anti-american propaganda

It's a sad fact that anti americanism and jew hate is on the rise in Norway.

The lefties have the habit of falsifying history to fit their agenda.

reply to post by ANOK

All left-wing terms have been demonized, and taken out of context, by those who feel threatened by it's message, those who make their wealth from the exploitation of labour.

Most people on ATS have no conception of what true Communism is.

We here in America have people like Madonna that are worth 350 million USD yet she all she does is jiggle, wiggle and "sing".

The people who do the real work get paid zilch.

Capitalism does not work. It's out dated.

I truly don't know what will work but we have got to start thinking outside the box.



America for the most part is not working.

Originally posted by antonia

Originally posted by interupt42
reply to post by antonia

 

I bet you love to label the US as a capitalist country though.

I'd call it corporatism.

So let me ask you and the OP what is it that you like about communism? Or are you going to get upset about that question as well?

I didn't say I was a communist., I'm not. I find the topic interesting but I don't ascribe to it. I merely addressed the irony of you screeching about freedom while engaging in a behavior that is antithetical to what you proclaim to believe.

Communism and socialism are great in theory but not in practice because humans are involved. Gov't forms group of people that regulate our lives which gives them power. With power comes corruption. Hence I believe less gov't is better for everyone (I didn't say no gov't).

Communism and socialism are economic systems and have nothing to do with government.

However, people like yourself I'm sure have less faith on the good will of the people but more faith on Gov't officials to do the right thing.

Well, you are correct in that I have no faith in the good will of people, but your next assumption is illogical. Government is made up of people, therefore it would be illogical to have faith in it if you can't have faith in the goodness of it's individual members.

Well at least we agree on the US being corporatism. I still don't know why you feel that I was attacking him or being antithetical when I asked a simple question?

communism , socialism and even capitalism are economic systems, but that doesn't mean that they don't have some form or gov't . Anarchy has nothing to do with gov't but communism and socialism still need a governing body that controls the country,state,etc.

Using your logic:
You say you are not a communist and you admit to have no faith on the good will of the people and gov't is made of people , then you must not have any faith in gov't, correct? So are you an anarchist or what system do you believe in, you surely couldn't be for a proponent of big government?

Originally posted by ofhumandescent
reply to post by ANOK

 

All left-wing terms have been demonized, and taken out of context, by those who feel threatened by it's message, those who make their wealth from the exploitation of labour.

Most people on ATS have no conception of what true Communism is.

We here in America have people like Madonna that are worth 350 million USD yet she all she does is jiggle, wiggle and "sing".

The people who do the real work get paid zilch.

Capitalism does not work. It's out dated.

I truly don't know what will work but we have got to start thinking outside the box.

America for the most part is not working.

Ah no Madonna sold her music and people were free to buy or not buy they chose to buy in mass and she became wealthy because of it! No force or coercion was involved how is that exploitation? Who did she steal from? Who else was supposed to get the benefits of the fruits of her labors that she created? Who did she exploit? No one was forced to work with her they all did so voluntarily from recording to touring etc. Its called freedom of choice. If someone felt she was not paying them enough for their labors they are free not to work with her. And actually the tech and roadies in the music business are paid quit well if they are good at their craft.

So what would you do about it? Would you force Madonna to give up what she earned by people freely buying the music she produced? Would you ban Madonna from producing her music and selling it so people could not buy it because she makes to much money and to many chose to buy it and made her wealthy?

I'd love to hear the answers to this because this is where the proponents of the ideology either realizes it is flawed or resort to force to steal the fruits of anothers labor in the name of equalization.

People are entitled to the fruits of their labors they earned by their efforts and ingenuity even if it is vastly more then you earn!

Originally posted by Ivar_Karlsen

Originally posted by hawkiye------------->anti-american propaganda

It's a sad fact that anti americanism and jew hate is on the rise in Norway.

The lefties have the habit of falsifying history to fit their agenda.

edit on 12-6-2012 by Ivar_Karlsen because: Too many drinks

Originally posted by JiggyPotamus
I applaud you as well. Most people are too stupid to understand what Communism is really all about. They believe what they "think" they know about it, or what they've been told about it. Most people think Cuba, the USSR, etc. were Communists, when in fact they aren't/weren't. That is what I mean by ignorance.

True Communism is true FREEDOM. If more people understood what it was all about, they would probably join as well. It's unfortunate that so many countries have called themselves Communists, when in fact they were not anything of the sort. If there is a government controlling the nation, they are not Communist, plain and simple. Communism is a state that is reached. It is a process.

Why don't one of you guys give us a more detailed break down of how you define "true communism" and how it works? I keep hearing its true freedom but I have yet to see how it is structured and how it would be implemented in a nation.

You guys have to realize that on paper they have a great and just story for how communism should work. They have to to get people to buy in .

But like all forms of government, IF the people at the top of the power structure had the best intentions for the people at heart, THEN it would be a good and just form of government.

BUT the problems with ALL government systems is the balance between people's interest and the oligarchy and their interest. Communism is a system catered to the oligarchy. The american system was designed to hold off the oligarchy rule, but over time has become infiltrated by oligarchy rule. And that is the problem we are seeing now.

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by brukernavn
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

Bearing your own burden and reaping only what you sow is exactly what communism is. Capitalism is reaping what other people sow.

edit on 6/12/2012 by brukernavn because: misspelt sow

If I invent something, yet other people make what I invented, I should still gain from what I created.

Bill Gates created easy home use computers.

He's a billionaire.

Shouldn't he be granted that? The people that put the computers together shouldn't have access to all his wealth, should they?

I kinda like Bill since he seem to be a bit down to earth still and he does give back. But the system is screwed up when he can make that kinda resources on other peoples work. But the products are to expensive if you think about what they cost to produce and Microsoft employes have ok saleries. I do not say he have not done much in his life time and should be compensated for it but the compensation is a bit to much. But better him than the bankers in wall street that manipulates people to lose their pensions and houses. The problem is interest/rent. Money should not be able to make money. That would remove some of the parasiting effect from the wealthy on the producers/workers. As it is now it is only a pyramid scheme that will collapse in the end. But the US is kinda funny with their creating money out of thin air. I wonder if we will see an high inflation in the US dollar because of it.

Originally posted by hawkiye

Originally posted by brukernavn
reply to post by hawkiye

 

Yes, the US became prosperous after the raping of Europe and Japan during WWII.

Care to back that up with some hard evidence? Ever heard of the Marshall Plan? America pumped billions into Europe to rebuild after the war and after four years the European economies had surpassed their previous economies and enjoyed unprecedented prosperity in their histories for years to come!

America also pumped billions into rebuilding Japan and it became one of the leading economies of the world and first in Asia.

Please stop repeating ridiculous anti-american propaganda you are embarrassing yourselves! America has plenty of things to be angry at her about but WWII is not one of them!

The Marshall plan wasn't a gift that was pumped in, it was a loan that took the UK for example 50 years to pay off, including the interest. I'm not saying I dispute the need for it, but it was by no means a gift, please don't try and dress it up to look like one.

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Well i'm 59 and Norwegian.

Should i tell you about all my experiences you would be bored to death.