My niece sent home from school for NOT wearing a hoodie

reply to post by nightstalker78


The point is that there were Trayvon Martin days held in many schools. The consensus here was to doubt that schools would do such a thing... they did. I can't provide a link to her specific story nor could she since her sister admittedly did not want to make any waves. I find her story credible after seeing stories like this one:

Trayvon Martins' death promts 'Hoodie Day' at High School

Except that link is a student led protest that the principal is allowing to happen. A lot different than forcing children to wear hoodies. That there was a lost and found that had a stock of hoodies alone is kind of laughable. The comments seem very out of character for ANY principal - it sounds fabricated in a way just to enrage folks.

Story may well be true - there may have been an OPTIONAL hoodie day. Perhaps led by the staff, more likely led by the students. I have a feeling the rest was purposefully embellished to get a reaction.

reply to post by MsAphrodite


I see her story as less credible because it would've made the news. It's a ploy to get stars and flags.Nothing more. What better way to do that than make up a story about something that's been in the national news? It's got all the elements.She/he even makes it a point to say it wasn't an inner city school.

ETA : and the fact they've been replying to other threads and ignoring their own should be the first red flag! I won't even go into the others.

Originally posted by MsAphrodite
reply to post by nightstalker78

 

The point is that there were Trayvon Martin days held in many schools. The consensus here was to doubt that schools would do such a thing... they did. I can't provide a link to her specific story nor could she since her sister admittedly did not want to make any waves. I find her story credible after seeing stories like this one:

Trayvon Martins' death promts 'Hoodie Day' at High School

No, the doubt was that the school would REQUIRE everyone to wear a hoodie to participate in the event.

I thought it was common knowledge that many schools had events like this where they allowed kids to wear their hoodies if they wanted to.

The doubt comes from the OP claiming the school REQUIRED everyone to and sent her neice home because she didn't.

The OP has made questionable claims before with a disclaimer that they aren't going to even try to provide a source...and the fact that this thread is 10 pages long and the OP has made ONE reply to their own very personal story tells me most of what I need to know about them.

Originally posted by UltimateSkeptic1

Originally posted by habitforming
reply to post by UltimateSkeptic1

 

BULL CRAP!

I do not buy this story for one second.
I find it a little hard to believe every kid in that school, including your niece OWNED a hoody that they could wear or choose not to wear.

Are you serious? Have you ever been to a high school in the northeast US? All the kids have hoodies.

To be clear, this is not an inner city school with mostly black kids or black administrators. This is an upper middle class school in the suburbs with under 20 black kids. The teacher and the principal are white. The TM day was organized by two of the black girls in the school. They did a special talk at the school's weekly assembly to honor and remember TM.

Back on topic, from what my sister-in-law told me, the school is a very good school. She has no desire to escalate this further and make things worse for her daughter. Not every incident turns into a lawsuit.

For those of you who don't believe this story is true, you can believe it's true or not believe it's true.

Why is important to you that I "prove' the story true?

I can understand why she doesn't want to escalate things further, but what they did was just plain wrong, and I think they need fully realize that, and take accountability, or else it will continue happening.

I'd really like this principal to at least have to answer to the school board, about his decision to send your niece home.

I'm assuming that your sister got an apology of some sort, or something else transpired after her initial meeting.

Originally posted by MsAphrodite
reply to post by Luminaught

 

Here is a different search. Still want to call BS on this ATS?

google search

Yes.

It is this portion of the OP's claim that begs questioning:

Originally posted by UltimateSkeptic1 She was sent to the principal's office and reprimanded, and told that she either had to wear a hoodie or go home.

Please try to be more rigorous in your thinking.

Why isn't this fake thread in the hoax bin yet? Why? I thought it was clearly established that is what it is! I haven't read all 10 pages but as far as I read the OP did not provide any proof and very valid points were made regarding its authenticity.

Also, why would she post it in The Gray Area? And no principal in his or her right mind would dare say the things the OP stated, even if they felt them. People are quick to run to the media and unless the principal wanted negative publicity he would not have spoke like that. If he did, and that's a big if, word of mouth would have brought this story to the media.....when it originally happened.

I'm tired of seeing this thread littering up ATS. I vote get rid of it! And I'd love to see the OPs stars and flags retracted.



PS. The post at the top of the page that has a link to a news article about a high school doing a hoodie day, that is probably where op got the idea, or other hoodie days that happened. Then embellishments were added for drama and popularity. Jeez Louise!!


Miss Sile

Can't believe what I'm seeing. Somebody shares a personal story of this type and gets more or less lynched over it.
Starting to wonder what shreds my belief in human kind more, OP's story or our response.

The situation has become a big problem for the family in question and you guys want OP to put information out for show&tell? We should be helping them on the situation, informing them on their options. This is not a frigging proof of existence post.

Whether OP's story is true or not, when the addiction to facts and proving everything becomes more important to you than a child's everyday life you are no better than the people you so proudly distance yourself from.

To OP: I hope your niece gets out of the situation all well. No school anywhere should push politics in any form on it's students. You should make it clear to her that her choice was justified. No one should be badly treated for being fair. I would be as proud as can be of her.

reply to post by Miss Sile

I'm tired of seeing this thread littering up ATS. I vote get rid of it! And I'd love to see the OPs stars and flags retracted. Miss Sile

I'm tired of seeing people hurl accusations without proof that it isn't true.

It could have happened, and I can see it happening. That should be the concern here.

Sounds like this principal might be the sort that made high school a career just to be near the juvenalian drama that such an atmosphere provides.

"The right kind of diversity" ???

Is that anything like the right kind of racism?

Maybe the principal should check the lost & found for some dignity.
As should the rest of the student body check for some individuality.

It is no great feat to instill a false sense of righteous indignation in those too young to know better.

reply to post by WhisperingWinds


I did believe it at first, for many many pages, even when the accusations of falsification appeared. What changed my mind was critical thinking, not going off my emotion. That, and the fact that some things didn't add up, things I couldn't see when I was in a tailspin of emotion over the story.

Anyhow, believe what you want. I usually find myself believing everyone, then later threads I followed diligently I see a HOAX slapped on them. I then feel like I wasted my time and don't understand why someone would make things up. As I said earlier, some things don't add up and the op had no interest in clearing up these issues. Anyway, have fun in here, i'm out the door.

Originally posted by Miss Sile
reply to post by WhisperingWinds

 

I did believe it at first, for many many pages, even when the accusations of falsification appeared. What changed my mind was critical thinking, not going off my emotion. That, and the fact that some things didn't add up, things I couldn't see when I was in a tailspin of emotion over the story.

Anyhow, believe what you want. I usually find myself believing everyone, then later threads I followed diligently I see a HOAX slapped on them. I then feel like I wasted my time and don't understand why someone would make things up. As I said earlier, some things don't add up and the op had no interest in clearing up these issues. Anyway, have fun in here, i'm out the door.

Thank you for explaining your skepticism.

Considering this is a forum where issues and stories are questioned, I should be more tolerant of those who question. ( I do it often myself)

I do believe the OP , and think there are reasons why she hasn't elaborated . She could be protective of her sister and niece which I fully understand.

Originally posted by InfoKartel
reply to post by ScatterBrain

 

Me thinks those who stand firm in support of the school system at this point, benefits from the wretched system or refuses to acknowledge facts.. no one else would.

No, no, no...you misunderstood my point. I'm arguing in favor of least amount of hassle.

I don't refuse to acknowledge facts and nowhere did I claim I'm in favor of a school system, BUT(big but), if a school is organizing an event for a KILLED school mate - then it's borderline insane to go against it, never mind socially retarded. Then it's a couple of steps into insane to claim you don't want to participate because you don't have all the facts(politicizing the issue). Hello! We don't have any definite facts about ANYTHING. That doesn't mean you cannot show compassion as a school for a killed school mate.

Bashing people who know what has been going on with petty name-calling and nothing else does not validate your argument princess.

Oh so now you have all the facts to know what's going on? Princess?

In fact, no surprise you would bring up political bashing this is what our education system taught you..

Such nonsense...these people are bringing in their own politics into the issue, I'm merely ridiculing them for it.

you are useless if no one tells you what to think. If someone asks you to make a decision that you have never encountered before, it would ruin your world, your first notion would be to pick up the phone and get someone else to use their brain, cause yours isn't able to process a single complicated task.

Every teacher I've had in anything would disagree with you there. Big time. Funny assumptions though, since you're describing, exactly, the opposite of how I think. I've dealt with stress situations more emotional people can't handle for half a second.

Go ahead darling.. challenge yourself... look up complaints about the school system... or just reply with more of your empty words.

COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM?

That's not what this topic is about. Also, I've got my own complaints about the school system, in fact, about school systems in several countries...which complaints do you want to read?

I believe this story is true because I was once (back in 2000) I received a call that said I needed to bring my child some clothes because he was dressed inappropriately. I tried to get more information because it was a 40 min drive and my child was all about dressing nice (he was all about getting the girls) but they refused to give me anything else. When I got to the office, there was my child, dressed in a black button down collared shirt and a pair of black dress slacks. I didn't understand what the problem was. I asked to see the principal. After sitting and waiting for more than an hour, she finally greets me. Her issue with my child was he was wearing all black. I was looking at this woman who happen to be wearing an all black sweater dress. There was nothing in the dress code but in light of the columbine thing, no one is permitted to look "intimidating". I had the option to take him home if I had a problem with it.

As far as you saying it is retarded not to go a long with an organized event, darling... there are stories all over the net about children who have been required to participate in those events that go against everything they believe in.

One can just as easily say, standing up for anything just to fit in the group is retarded. The girl did not want to participate, that's not insane, that is making her own decision and that should be respected. It is not your business or the schools business to force anyone to support any agenda that they don't agree with, that simple.

As far as what I know about teaching darling, I taught in Ohio schools until Goals 2000 was being implemented. I have probably more education system knowledge than you have in life years. Go back and see if your brain can handle a full hour of information by watching that video I posted a few pages back. Not the graduation video the one above that, then come back and speak to me.

Originally posted by WhisperingWinds
reply to post by Miss Sile

 

I'm tired of seeing this thread littering up ATS. I vote get rid of it! And I'd love to see the OPs stars and flags retracted. Miss Sile

I'm tired of seeing people hurl accusations without proof that it isn't true.

It could have happened, and I can see it happening. That should be the concern here.

I have to agree, I can see something like this taking place after some of the experiences I had dealing with schools in the North East, especially in the Philly area.

Originally posted by Azadok2day

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by Shrukin89

 

3 posts in and the teacher gets called a commie.

Is this a new record for ATS?

Does your niece read ATS? That's the only way she'd think that Martin attacked Zimmerman. Was she reading one of popsmayhem's threads/posts?

If you can not see the communist ideology here the you are very much lacking in social studies.

Where did you learn all yer social studies?
In some school?
commie!

Originally posted by Anunaki10

Originally posted by FlyersFan
And consdering how much of an agenda some 'educators' have these days ...
recent major example here
... I don't doubt that some idiot principle would try something like this.

Including 'educators' like these as well who fired their own employees, a Coca Cola employee got fired for drinking a Pepsi

Santangelo said Rick Bronson, a driver who had been with Coca-Cola Bottling Co. for 12 years, had just completed a delivery to a California store called Smart and Final. Bronson purchased a Pepsi at the store and headed to a back room to take a break. Bronson was wearing his Coke uniform and was on company time when he drank the offending Pepsi. Someone spotted Bronson and notified the company, Santangelo said. Santangelo also said Bronson had never been disciplined before and had a "clean record" when he was fired.

Miller Beer Employee Fired For Drinking Bud Light

"When I came in, they said, 'You're in trouble for drinking Bud Light,'" Aguero said. Then, his boss gave him the ax. "I asked him to tell me the reason why I'm fired, and he was like, 'There's no reason. We just don't need you no more,'" Aguero said.

OMG!!!!

People broke the rules and got the punishment they were warned they would get?
HOLY CRAP WE NEED TO STOP THIS!!!!!!
Next thing you know, teachers will grade our children's work instead of just giving them the A they deserve!!!!

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

No, the doubt was that the school would REQUIRE everyone to wear a hoodie to participate in the event.

I thought it was common knowledge that many schools had events like this where they allowed kids to wear their hoodies if they wanted to.

The doubt comes from the OP claiming the school REQUIRED everyone to and sent her neice home because she didn't.

The OP has made questionable claims before with a disclaimer that they aren't going to even try to provide a source...and the fact that this thread is 10 pages long and the OP has made ONE reply to their own very personal story tells me most of what I need to know about them.

edit on 11-6-2012 by OutKast Searcher because: (no reason given)

I don't know, if somebody had claimed something like that around me BEFORE I worked with schools up around Philly, there is absolutely no way I would possibly believe them. BUT... since I did work with them, I really can see it happening. ....AND everyone who has posted with me knows that I usually take the side of the school, I just can't do that this time.

Originally posted by UltimateSkeptic1
Maybe there's a political correctness stupidity pandemic in public schools these days.

A couple months ago the public school that my niece attends had a "Treyvon Martin" day. The students were told to wear hoodies for the assembly.

My niece, who is in 10th grade, and who is an independent thinker, questioned this. She told her home room teacher that she didn't want to wear a hoodie in support of Treyvon Martin. The teacher asked why, and my niece said she felt bad he died, but that maybe he was the one who attacked Zimmerman, and she didn't feel comfortable supporting anybody when she didn't know the facts.

The next day my niece showed up to school dressed nicely, but not wearing the hoodie. She was sent to the principal's office and reprimanded, and told that she either had to wear a hoodie or go home. The principal told her to go to the lost and found and find a hoodie to wear. The principal's reasoning was that it was important that the students show uniformity, and support for a fellow high school student that was gunned down.

My niece went to the lost and found in tears, and called her mom. Her mom called the principle, who told her to come pick her up from school.

Now is where the story gets good....

Her mom went into the principal's office the next day to confront her on what happened. The principal told her that it's important that the students "fall in" and "sometimes you have to learn to comply." Her mom pointed to the school's values posted on the wall and noted that "compliance" wasn't one of the values, and that in fact "diversity" was a value.

The principal replied, "Diversity means the right kind of diversity. Not your daughter's kind of diversity."

I wanted to tell the world about the school and the principal, but it would only make it harder for my niece. She's already targeted over this.

Is this an aberration, or is it normal for schools these days to be run like indoctrination camps? How does this ever get fixed?

My sister-in-law wants to move over this. I don't blame her.

Typical academic stupidity, made worse by pc and multiculturalism. It's no surprise the sheep who graduate from them make a mess of this planet.

I say the family complain and report on the school and that the girl leave that pc #hole immediately.

Originally posted by UltimateSkeptic1
Maybe there's a political correctness stupidity pandemic in public schools these days.

A couple months ago the public school that my niece attends had a "Treyvon Martin" day. The students were told to wear hoodies for the assembly.

My niece, who is in 10th grade, and who is an independent thinker, questioned this. She told her home room teacher that she didn't want to wear a hoodie in support of Treyvon Martin. The teacher asked why, and my niece said she felt bad he died, but that maybe he was the one who attacked Zimmerman, and she didn't feel comfortable supporting anybody when she didn't know the facts.

The next day my niece showed up to school dressed nicely, but not wearing the hoodie. She was sent to the principal's office and reprimanded, and told that she either had to wear a hoodie or go home. The principal told her to go to the lost and found and find a hoodie to wear. The principal's reasoning was that it was important that the students show uniformity, and support for a fellow high school student that was gunned down.

My niece went to the lost and found in tears, and called her mom. Her mom called the principle, who told her to come pick her up from school.

Now is where the story gets good....

Her mom went into the principal's office the next day to confront her on what happened. The principal told her that it's important that the students "fall in" and "sometimes you have to learn to comply." Her mom pointed to the school's values posted on the wall and noted that "compliance" wasn't one of the values, and that in fact "diversity" was a value.

The principal replied, "Diversity means the right kind of diversity. Not your daughter's kind of diversity."

I wanted to tell the world about the school and the principal, but it would only make it harder for my niece. She's already targeted over this.

Is this an aberration, or is it normal for schools these days to be run like indoctrination camps? How does this ever get fixed?

My sister-in-law wants to move over this. I don't blame her.

Sorry, I'm "skeptical" of your story...

Originally posted by nightstalker78
reply to post by MsAphrodite

 

I see her story as less credible because it would've made the news. It's a ploy to get stars and flags.Nothing more. What better way to do that than make up a story about something that's been in the national news? It's got all the elements.She/he even makes it a point to say it wasn't an inner city school.

ETA : and the fact they've been replying to other threads and ignoring their own should be the first red flag! I won't even go into the others.

edit on 11-6-2012 by nightstalker78 because: (no reason given)

Why would it make the news?

lol.... a ploy to stars and flags? What? Are we back in first grade trying to get gold stars? Are you serious?

I told the story here. I'm not going to waste time replying to a series of strangers who are jealous of stars and flags who demand I "prove" the story is true, or to people who are threatened by shining a light on this story because it's an affront to their ideology.

What "proof" do you want? Seriously? Are people here on ATS that obsessed with stars and flags that you would call a school to verify some story I posted on ATS? Did I miss something? Does ATS give out money or something for stars and flags??? lol

I've read dozens of threads from other people's personal experiences in which few, if any, asked for "evidence." Why is important to you, concerning this story, that you demand "proof?" Why are you so eager to declare this story a "hoax?"

Back on topic:

The school didn't officially "require" the hoodie from what I understand. The assembly was organized by two black girls, and the entire "theme" of the day was to wear your hoodies to support the cause. My niece didn't wear a hoodie. I have no idea if she was the only kid who didn't wear the hoodie or not. What I do know is she was a) sent to the principal's office, b) told to go look in the lost and found for a hoodie, and c) her mother was told by the principal that it would be better to just take her home, after the whole situation turned into an "incident."

What I think happened was the situation escalated into a power struggle, first with the teacher, then with the principal. Like I said, this isn't an inner city school, and the people involved were white. My personal opinion is they probably felt pressure to make sure the kids fell into line and supported the two black girls who organized the assembly.

I saw my niece last night and she was more interested in talking about the prom than this story that happened a couple months ago. She was like, "whatever.... everybody knows Mrs. so and so is messed up."

What's proper ATS protocol? Should I give you my niece's phone number and you can talk with her to confirm this? Do you want the name of the school so you can call the principal and confirm the story?

"Hi, I'm Nightstalker. Cool name, huh? It's not my real name. That's my name on AboveTopSecret.com. I'm investigating a report that you sent a 10th grader home because she wouldn't wear a hoodie to the Trayvon Marting assembly. Can you confirm this?"


Some of the responses to this post are more [fill in the blank] than what happened to my niece.