Documents prove Obama was member of socialist New Party... (see for yourself)

reply to post by TheTardis

You wont even believe it right out of his mouth? I am not wasting my time with you dude. You wont believe it if he showed up at your door and said it to your face.

Give me the exact minute and second of that video where he said "I will not pass ANY bill that has earmarks in it".

I know you won't...because it doesn't exist...which is why you will just try to dismiss me and run away. In truth...you are running away because you talked out of your ass without knowing the facts and now you have been caught doing so.

He lies and I could find you sources all over the internet to tell you one thing and then the other and back and forth.

Then do it...I'm interested.

I never claimed he didn't lie...he is human...everyone lies. It's just the things you are claiming he "lied" about aren't true and even if they were...it's not a lie...it's a "broken promise".

Go vote for him again and then next term if he is re elected and you get laid off because he trashes things worse you will have more time to sit and argue with people on the internet.

Yes...all the jobs were lost under Obama

I'm not scared of being layed off...unless I fire myself...I think I'll be fine. Although I could use a vacation.

It is obvious you are never going to believe anything more than what you do now and when confronted with the truth you ignore it. We have been through this before and you refuse to listen to reason and logic. If there were a way to block all of your posts from my view I would. They are useless space.

Yes, we have been through this before. You spout off incorrect information and I correct you and then you throw a hissy fit and run away saying you are never ever going to talk to me again.

If you would stop trying to spread mis-information...I would stop calling you out on it. And please don't disrespect "reason and logic" by claiming that is what you operate on...I hold reason and logic in high regard and don't like seeing it being disparged.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by UltimateSkeptic1

 

1. The computer you're typing on is a result of capitalism.

Actually most research and design of computers (and the internet and the components of computers) came from government funding and within the University system.

The retail sale of them to the public is the biggest capitalist part of "computers"...the development of it can largely be seen as a socialist achievement.

Ironically, capitalism is a system that is totally based on allowing people the freedom to choose for themselves what's in their own best interest.

Your view of capitalism is warped. Capitalism has nothing to do with freedom or choice...it is an economic model...it can exist under total tyranny or it can exist under total freedom. So can socialism.

edit on 7-6-2012 by OutKast Searcher because: (no reason given)

These Universities exist inside the realm of a Capitalist society. Where were all the innovations coming out of North Korea or the old Soviet Union? Why did the USSR need to steal everything from industrial secrets down to their first nuke bomb? Why are we under Obama left to beg Russia to do our space launches? Something has been flipped on its head ever since he got in office. Could it be the decline of Capitalism under his watch?

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


Ah, I see. Makes sense. I guess. Why does there have to be this left and right crud? Why can't it be the "Left you Right" party?

Also, I really like your sig.

And it's not that I hate Obama, I am sure he is a great person. I just like Ron Paul more. Many of the things he says hits a chord with me. Many of the things he wants to do, I agree with. But a lot like Obama, if he were to get elected into office and not produce what was said. I would believe it to be the job for someone else. Because that is your job. Me being a mechanic, there is no such thing as "I can't" I have to get it done. At any costs to me. If I don't have the right tools, I have to make them. If something else goes wrong, I have to be able to handle it. That is why I do what I do. Because I get it done. And if I hold myself to those standards. And succeed. Then I obviously will hold my President, my Leader, to those standards.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


What would be great if you would prove that I am spreading disinformation instead of just hoping that people reading this will believe you. I have posted videos to back up what I am saying. Exactly what have you done other than try your hardest to yell and scream over everyone else jumping up and down to say "listen to me, listen to me". Again, Wasted space on this thread. Move along now. Post some facts, some sources, some videos, whatever you can to prove I am wrong. Please do.

reply to post by macman

Again with the tired old pitch that military benefits are some kind of Socialist Ideal.

Sorry, massive failure ahead for you.
Those RETIREMENT benefits are benefits from being in the military for 20 + years. Not for sitting on one's butt doing nothing.

Are those benefits paid with tax payer dollars???

Socialist programs aren't evil...but ignoring facts is not good.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


It is funded via tax dollars yes.
But, it is not a Welfare program.
Nor is it for the masses or for every citizen.

For someone that tries so hard to force others to work within certain confines of definitions, you sure do like playing fast and loose for you own sake.

Originally posted by Danbones
reply to post by TheTardis

 

cas sundstien's plan was to infiltrate the internet boards to make sure any troothful discussions get obfuscated or derailed

Im begining to believe that it is in full swing

wouldn't it be cheeper and more effective to not have to run expensive scams like that and just get an honest politician in like Ron Paul...?

then the guv could afford things like proper healthcare for the peeps and to keep its obligations to care for the troops and vets up

There you go, making sense and having me star you.

Not to get on a shill-hunt, ala' Cass Sunstein. . . .

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by macman

 

Again with the tired old pitch that military benefits are some kind of Socialist Ideal.

Sorry, massive failure ahead for you.
Those RETIREMENT benefits are benefits from being in the military for 20 + years. Not for sitting on one's butt doing nothing.

Are those benefits paid with tax payer dollars???

Socialist programs aren't evil...but ignoring facts is not good.

You must remember that the military pays all those taxes as well. Only a small percentage of military actually retire. They signed the contract and were promised benefits, and considering what they go through...they deserve them.

But those same benefits are under constant attack so others who don't contribute can get a free govmint check. I know that is a broad brush, but I see it daily and it grates my nerve.

Originally posted by TheTardis
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

What would be great if you would prove that I am spreading disinformation instead of just hoping that people reading this will believe you. I have posted videos to back up what I am saying. Exactly what have you done other than try your hardest to yell and scream over everyone else jumping up and down to say "listen to me, listen to me". Again, Wasted space on this thread. Move along now. Post some facts, some sources, some videos, whatever you can to prove I am wrong. Please do.

edit on 7-6-2012 by TheTardis because: (no reason given)

You want me to prove a negative...the last resort of someone being illogical.

I can't prove that Obama NEVER said something...but you are claiming that he DID say something...so the burden of proof is on you.

Your video didn't prove Obama said he would NEVER sign a bill that had an earmark in it. Your video showed that Obama isn't a fan of earmarks and he is proud of a few bills that were passed with no earmarks.

You can't prove your claim...because it is false...and you have spent 4-5 posts trying to dodge the fact that you can't prove it.

It's quite simple...give a direct quote from Obama saying "I will NEVER pass a bill that has an earmark in it".


Again...I know you won't...because it doesn't exist...but it won't stop you from continue to claim it is true...which is why I am claiming you are spreading mis-information.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by macman

 

Again with the tired old pitch that military benefits are some kind of Socialist Ideal.

Sorry, massive failure ahead for you.
Those RETIREMENT benefits are benefits from being in the military for 20 + years. Not for sitting on one's butt doing nothing.

Are those benefits paid with tax payer dollars???

Socialist programs aren't evil...but ignoring facts is not good.

Those benefits are part of a contract. If service isn't rendered then no benefits.

A far cry from entitlements.

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

It is funded via tax dollars yes.
But, it is not a Welfare program.
Nor is it for the masses or for every citizen.

For someone that tries so hard to force others to work within certain confines of definitions, you sure do like playing fast and loose for you own sake.

So if it is funded with other people's money...and it isn't a capitalistic return on investment...then what kind of program is it?

I'll let you tell us what type of program it is...since you have an illogical fear of the phrase "socialist program"...what exactly is this type of program called???

Socialism doesn't have to be Welfare nor does it have to be for every citizen...many people just don't understand what socialism means...and they have an illogical and irrational fear of it.

reply to post by TDawgRex

You must remember that the military pays all those taxes as well. Only a small percentage of military actually retire. They signed the contract and were promised benefits, and considering what they go through...they deserve them.

But those same benefits are under constant attack so others who don't contribute can get a free govmint check. I know that is a broad brush, but I see it daily and it grates my nerve.

Yes, they pay taxes too...and yes they do absolutely deserve them....that doesn't change the fact that it is a socialist program.

Simple question...could they completely fund their benefit structure with relying only on the taxes Military personnel pay??? If not...then they are relying on the rest of society to help cover the benefits.

I agree...there is a small group of people that game the welfare system and that needs to be fixed. But for people to be against ALL welfare because of a small group giving it a bad name is illogical. I have even seen people who are currently on welfare talk negatively about it because all the lazy people getting it...not them of course...but everyone else.

reply to post by beezzer


www.merriam-webster.com...

Definition of ENTITLEMENT

1 a: the state or condition of being entitled : right
b: a right to benefits specified especially by law or contract

2: a government program providing benefits to members of a specified group; also: funds supporting or distributed by such a program

Entitlement isn't a dirty word.

It's just that in your mind you have stereotyped what "entitlement" means...to you it is a lazy person who recieves help from the government.

Socialism isn't a dirty word either.


You guys seriously need to get over your irrational and illogical fear of words.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher
So is the information OP provided with Obama's picture and name in it NOT sufficient in your eyes to admit he at least, at one time, was socialist? Why attack the messenger and not the message? Why do you misdirect the thread?

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


All I hear is Clinton asking what the definition of "is" is. Your only defense is to hold people to the exact wording when quotes were not used. Good one..

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reply to post by OutKast Searcher


So you are for privatized Military then?

You are a ATS contradiction.

0bama fan boy to say the least.

But again, all nations have a Govt Military. The military is not designed to be capitalistic.
The Retirement offered for Military is next to the retirement of any Govt worker. Has nothing to do with Socialism.
You just like trying to pitch that barrel full of crap because you don't like the military and think that people will buy into it because you use buzz words like "entitlement" or "benefit".

Epic failure goes to "Outkast Searcher" again.

Originally posted by Thunderheart
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

So is the information OP provided with Obama's picture and name in it NOT sufficient in your eyes to admit he at least, at one time, was socialist? Why attack the messenger and not the message? Why do you misdirect the thread?

The founder of the New Party has stated they were never a Socialist party.

Obama was never a "member"...he just receieved an endorsement from The New Party as he ran as a Democrat.

Tell me...if he was a member of "The New Party" when he was running for Illinois Senate...how could he also be running as a Democrat in the exact same election???

I wouldn't honestly care if he was ever a member of a Socialist party...because I don't have an irrational fear of the word. I don't support full Socialism...but I do support some socialist programs and regulations.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


Nice deflection though.

0bama himself stated he connection to them.
Now it comes out he did.
Just another 0bama lie.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by Thunderheart
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

So is the information OP provided with Obama's picture and name in it NOT sufficient in your eyes to admit he at least, at one time, was socialist? Why attack the messenger and not the message? Why do you misdirect the thread?

The founder of the New Party has stated they were never a Socialist party.

Obama was never a "member"...he just receieved an endorsement from The New Party as he ran as a Democrat.

Tell me...if he was a member of "The New Party" when he was running for Illinois Senate...how could he also be running as a Democrat in the exact same election???

I wouldn't honestly care if he was ever a member of a Socialist party...because I don't have an irrational fear of the word. I don't support full Socialism...but I do support some socialist programs and regulations.

And your proof is where? Where is your source? Where is your video link of said founder saying this? Not saying there isnt one and I am not even saying this isnt the truth but you are the first one standing on your soap box screaming for a source from everyone else. And you really need to find one with the exact wording as you posted it or its a lie.